We were cheated by the refs in our only 2 losses. All is well from here on out.
Please! Let's be honest. This is a payday game for MTS just like the ISU
game will be. BYU could show up and play with their third string and win by the
twenty one points they are favored by. If BYU doesn't win by at least forty
points it will be an epic failure. MTS has no defense to speak of and depends on
the run game for their points. Both of which play to BYU's advantage how
could the Y's offense not look good MTS.
My problem is NOT with the players. The offensive SCHEME is horrible, especially
the pass designs and the play calling. Running up the middle on 1st, 2nd &
3rd down inside the 10, pleeeze have some imagination. Why haven't we seen
swing passes to the backs, quick passes to slanting receivers, quick screens,
shovel passes, combination routes, etc. that are easy throws that build
confidence in everyone? Why is it other "go fast" offenses (Oregon, Cal,
etc.) always have someone wide open on passing downs, but we never do? It's
the scheme! When I heard Anae was installing the "go fast" offense in
the spring I was excited thinking we'd be throwing the ball all over the
place. Now, I see they just worked on the option. All I get to see is 3 runs up
the middle in 30 seconds and then a punt (BORING!), which gives our D about 1
minute of rest. If this is all Anae can design, it's time to plan something
else than BYU football for Saturdays!
As far as the Ammon Olsen question, I still keep wondering why it has to be one
or the other, Taysom or Ammon. It's clear Ammon has talent, but just a
different skill set than Taysom. I know. BYU has tried and failed the two
headed monster before, but that monster pulled from opposite ends of the beast.
This would be more like the double headed monster, each complementing each
other. While Taysom should remain clearly the leader and director of the
offense, why not periodically get both on the field to keep defenses guessing.
Snap the ball either to Ammon to pass, or to Taysom in the wildcat type (more
obvious) to run, option, flea-flick, or visa versa, Ammon to option and Taysom
to pass. I would keep defenses on their toes, and would be a heck of a lot of
fun to watch!
The momentum busters which caused low scoring for both Utah State, Wisconsin,
and BYU are gone.Look for higher scoring from all three teams.
As much as it pains me to admit this... Utah is a pretty decent 3-1 team, who is
close to being undefeated. We lost to them by just a single score and had a
couple of decent chances to tie the game in the 4th quarter and go into overtime
for the win. Beyond that... Anae made an admitted dumb late game play call that
cost us a victory on the road to Virginia. And we garnered national intention in
solidly beating Texas. All things considered, it could be worse. A lot worse.
This last game was our first one not played in rain-delayed
circumstances this year. And now the coaches know precisely what needs to be
fixed. Ok. So give them another game or two with their inexperienced qb. If by
mid-season, there hasn't been noticeable improvement, then allow the
boo-birds to start legitimately squawking. But right now, it still seems a
little premature. The entire team still seems to love Taysom, his abilities and
his natural leadership skills.. and are still standing by him. What do the fans
know that they don't? Maybe we should consider standing by him a little
Out of State Utah fanThanks for sharing. Your suggestions are
currently being added to our cylindrical file.btw, we so enjoyed
watching your team in the couch potato bowl last year that we heartily recommend
doing it again.
I will be interested to see what you all are saying when the season ends and we
are 4-8. Even Blaine Fowler said on TrueBlue Monday night that BYU wouldn't
win many games with a QB that only completes 35% of his passes. We are last in
passing effiency for the entire NCAA. We have never been that low ever.
Something is awfully wrong in Mudville.
BYU has not been dominated this year, and two losses by a total of 10 points
isn't that grave.It's all in coaching adjustments, and
Like worf likes to point out, byu needs to get more trick plays and 15 yard
penalties against the other team.
Whine whine whine. Fire Bronco. Fire Anae. Hire Detmer ... hire Andy Reid ...
why not Urban Meyer?Lets get real here. We're not Oregon with
ooodles of Nike money. We're not 'Bama with tons of under the covers
money. We're BYU with missions and honor codes. Recruiting and managing the
personnel is a challenge that few coaches could manage.Fact is
Bronco's record is almost identical to Lavel's and his bowl record is
better. Remember when we used to complain about the defense? Well, Bronco's
fixed that. Top tier.Now we have a new OC with a new idea and you
guys are giving up after game 3! I know you guys are smarter than I am and
certainly smarter than Anae and Bronco. Why isn't Holmoe talking you some
of you guys?
I have been watching BYU football for over 40 years. Last year there was an
article about how bad Nelson was. Hill seems to be following in his footsteps.
Ammon can throw the ball on the short passes, per previous articles better than
Hill can. It also begs the question why are the receivers dropping passes. If
there is TOO much speed on the ball, receivers can't catch it. We have a
receiver who is probably going to set all the receptions in BYU history and he
can't catch it or it is not thrown his way. Does not make sense. In the
days of Young, Wilson, etc., the quarterbacks were schooled in the offensive for
at least a year before starting, so there was no learning curve. These coaches
are too much in love with Hill's speed and not his accuracy. If he
can't throw in the pocket, let him roll out.
WhatsnuGood point - too many fans panic after only a couple of early
@ Adirondack Cougar: depressing that a 10-2 result and a 6-6 result gets you
the same bowl game. That is probably just how Bronco thinks. And you're
settling for that.@ Texans for BYU: That is the point where you
are: BYU fans could do a better job coaching. Utah fans could do a better job.
Petty much anyone would do a better job. You should know how to recognize a
good coach, being from Texas and all. HS football Capital of the world. And
please don't dispute - just the size of the HS football stadiums there says
Keep doing what's NOT working for you...perfect way to keep losing
games.Making sure your QB feels loved doesn't improve his passing
ability. LOVE abounds in BYU football. Now let's hold hands and
sing.Give me a break.Glad I am a UTAH fun. Good old smash-mouth FB.
az2utBronco also literally started from scratch after Crowton had
completely destroyed the program LaVell had built.EVERY program has
its ups and downs, including many at the very top, national champions, that
collapsed into shambles within a very short time period:-
Alabama(13-0) 1992 NC finished 4-7 in 1995 - new coach- Nebraska(13-0)
1997 NC finished 7-7 in 2002 - same coach- Texas(13-1) 2009 NC finished
5-7 in 2010 - same coach- Auburn(14-0) 2010 NC finished 3-9 in 2012 - same
coachA stumbling BYU program that lost to both in-state rivals in
1978, rebounded to finish with an 11-1, Top 12 ranking in 1979 with the exact
same starting quarterback that started the 1978 season completing 32 of 80
passes, for 1 TD and 7 interceptions.Have a little patience. Things are not nearly as dire as the fans jumping off the bandwagon
claim them to be.
BlueCoug,Apples and Oranges. LaVell was literally starting from
scratch. There was not a previous tradition of excellent, national-level
footballl already in existence that LaVell simply needed to build upon. He took
a relatively unknown program with no recruiting allure and a much smaller LDS
talent pool to a nationally competitive level. Its a different case
with our modern day football program and tradition. Where we are 9 years into
Bronco's tenure is simply not acceptable. And its ok to say that. You
don't have to defend Bronco at all costs. He is a fine man and I respect
and appreciate that. I think, however, there are some very legitimate concerns
about our football performance and ultimately the comes down to the man in
az2utWe were in this same state of affairs 7 years into
LaVell's watch, 5 years after the BYU QB factory started with Gary Sheide.
Lots of fans were losing patience back then, as well. In fact, BYU was still 3
years away from winning their first bowl game.btw, that BYU QB who
began the 1978 season completing 32 of 80 passes, for 1 TD and 7
interceptions...was Marc Wilson, who despite his early struggles,
became a consensus first-team All-American in 1979, was a 1st round NFL draft
pick, and is now a member of the National College Football Hall of Fame.
LonestarRunner and BlueCoug:I think we're far from wanting
instant gratification and you are missing the point of why man fans are very
critical right now...Frustration is boiling over from being in this
current state of affairs 9 years into Bronco's watch. We shouldn't be
here nearly a decade after he took the reigns. Even if this had been
Bronco's first season, you expect week to week progress. We did not look
better this week than we did week 1. We looked woefully unprepared and
sloppy...and that was after having an extra week to prepare. Many
fans have given Bronco the benefit of the doubt for a long time and are simply
losing patience after a long road of repeated underperformance.
"To the BYU fans jumping off the bandwagon"How quickly they
Where's Ducky? Tulsa? I'd like to hear her thoughts on this.
BlueCougUnfortunately, we live in the age of instant gratification.
Nobody wants to wait for a work-in-progress to fully develop.Unlike
Riley, Taysom has the physical ability to be a great QB. He simply needs time to
develop. Impatient fans forget that he's only started 5 games over the
course of two seasons.
"We’re pleased with where Taysom is at and how he’s
playing". Not sure how anyone can be pleased with being dead
last in passing efficiency there coach Beck. C'mon. I know you want to
stand behind your player, but really?
Everyone take a deep breath. This is a work in progress. The loss stings, I
feel it. So how will we all feel if we end up 10-2? Then Bronco is great
again? Whether we finish 10-2 or 6-6 we still will go to the same bowl game, so
let's give the team and coaches a chance to get all these new schemes time
to come together. If after we get to the end of the season and no real progress
is made then I would expect changes to be made for next year. And who can say
that Taysom makes it through all 12 games? This week shouldn't be a
struggle, and then a real test at Utah State.
No changes in the offense? Huh? So they're doing the same thing over and
over again? Then thank you for validating this definition (fill in
the blank) "________________ : doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results."
To the BYU fans jumping off the bandwagon:Once upon a time...BYU stumbled into the season, barely winning it's first game 10-6,
losing it's second game 17-24, and BYU's passing game was atrocious15 of 38 passing (39%), 193 yards, 1 TD, 3 int, 75.03 passing
efficiency17 of 42 passing (40%), 261 yards, 0 TD, 4 int, 73.63 passing
efficiencyEven though he had an NFL caliber QB waiting in the wings,
LaVell didn't panic; he stuck with his young QB. BYU lost to both Utah
State and Utah that year, and lost their bowl game, but things eventually worked
out. The Cougars went on to have their most successful period in BYU history.Have a little patience BYU fans. Things are going to work out again.
evansrichdmI agree. BYU fans who are already hitting the panic
button need to have a little patience. Despite the erratic passing game so far,
Hill has demonstrated that he has a much better arm than Riley. He's thrown
some very good passes, just not enough of them.Anae could help his
struggling QB by mixing in more short passes - quick slants, button hooks,
passes to backs circling out of the backfield - easier, high percentage passes
to give his QB and receivers more confidence.
I think BYU is going to take their lumps as Hill improves. He is new to the
starting job and only a Sophomore. If this was next year and Junior and was
only completing 35% I would be more worried.
Give it time folks. Hill will improve and has the telant to do it. We need to
give it time. I have a feeling that the next game on Friday will be a breakout
pass game. Once the player are comfortable with each other things will improve.
Go fast - go hard - go lose. Forgive me, I'm just suffering from Bronco
BYU Football has fallen " From Bronco Mediocracy to Bronco Bottom! "
I get a real kick out of the comments here. It's as through you all think
you know more than the coaches who are working with this group of student
athletes. And yet, you are the ones with lousy jobs who live just to sit on your
couch and watch a game. This is a new offensive strategy and I
expected it to have some wrinkles in it for the first couple games. The coaches
will make adjustments and work with the boys to improve their weaknesses on the
field. I have full faith and confidence in their abilities to work through this
without the adjust of weekend couch potatoes like those posting above.GO COUGARS!
Hill can only get better, it's the only choice!
Every year under Bronco, the Cougars begin the season with their pants down
around their ankles!Continual improvementMore consistency A
work in progress* a change in COACH. -> every excuse has now been used
"BRONCO" your getting worse!!
As trite as it sounds, I agree with Bronco: the offense needs to work on
execution. The offensive scheme worked well against Texas, and it would have
worked against Utah if players would have executed. That simply means catching
those passes rather than dropping them, and Hill not overthrowing so many
receivers. Fix those issues and the game would have been a win for the
Cougars.BTW, I still hate "independence"!
"BYU football: Despite recent struggles, Cougars don't plan to make any
changes on offense."Excellent! See you in 3 years, now we can
pick up where we left off.Bronco and crew, the gift that keeps on
giving year after year.
What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results.
It's fine. Change nothing. Remain constant and consistent. Lose another 4-5
games. Then, you'll become, in the words of Coach Mendenhall,
"irrelevant."Coach M is a good man. I'd want my kids to
serve as missionaries under his leadership. Call him as mission president.Then
hire someone who can hire a Grade "A" staff; Someone who has a fire in
the belly for wins and beating Utah; someone who can win, attract talent and is
a good guy.Sheesh. Please make a pitch to Andy Reid.
Timing... You're talking about timing. What were they doing all spring and
Everyone just needs to calm down.2 weeks ago this
"struggling" BYU offense put up 550 yds against Texas. Granted, this
Texas team is not great, but It was still Texas!! The longhorns were not
prepared for Taysom Hill and it showed. Utah was able to study the film from
Texas and create a great game plan and contained the BYU running game
beautifully, as bad as it pains me to say it. Taysom Hill has a great arm and
is a smart and strong competitor and has elite speed in the open. I do not hold
him responsible for the offensive struggles. The offensive line has been
inconsistent (gave up 6 sacks to Utah) and the timing between Taysom and the
receivers is a big problem. Then there is the play calling... Robert Anae seems
to be too stubborn to make necessary adjustments to his game-plan. The defense
consistently keeps BYU in the game, but the offense is always falling short.
Something needs to change. The sad truth is BYU will never be a top
program with the coaching staff it currently has. But I guess we should be
grateful for consistent mediocrity? It could be worse.
I knew we should have signed the Timpview QB and big WR from last year. They
both would be starting for us. C'mon Cougs- get it together!
We aren't Oregon! Think about the plays you are calling and execute them.
No more 15 yard over thier head throws and drops!
BYU is going to smash MTSU; and all will be well in Provo again.
BYU fans wouldn't be happy with Jim McMahon leading the offense. Can't
be pleased. I've read the calls to make changes as long as I can remember.
Worst offensive coordinator in football. There should be change now. Do not
wait!!!!! Poor coaching all around. I don't think BYU puts enough time in
to the program. Everybody they play is better coached and better prepared.
Passing routes are horrible and play calling is the same. You can't keep
running straight up the middle 10 or more times like they did against Utah.
When you do this someone is going to get punished and he did. The offensive
coordinator should be in the press box where he can see watch is going on.
The problem might be more with receivers getting open, than who'se throwing
It's unbelievable to me that the coaches are choosing now to teach
fundamentals. The receivers should have been coached up on technique back in
the spring. This whole staff is woefully incapable; fire them all.
Now is not the time to replace the QB. I agree with the coaches on this one.
Right now there are a lot more problems with the passing game than just the
QB's accuracy. Let's work on all facets of the passing game to make it
better. The only thing I would add that the coaches didn't mention--which I
believe is a huge part of the problem--is improving the whole passing scheme and
offensive play calling. There is plenty of room for improvement there. I
still believe Taysom can be a very efficient passer because I have seen it--both
last year and in high school. With this new system and the new coaching, it is
unwise, and unfair, to bench Taysom after only 3 games.I still believe he
will get better, as long as the coaches do their part.
Ok, I like Taysom, I really do, but he should be playing receiver or safety.
Just like Reily, BYU coaches are now rallying around their choice... Taysom
Hill. Of course the article says they are not "Planning" on making any
changes so they've left some wiggle room for themselves.
Bronco needs to have a lifetime contract as of right now.