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BYU football: Despite recent struggles, Cougars don't plan to make any changes on offense

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  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    We were cheated by the refs in our only 2 losses. All is well from here on out.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Please! Let's be honest. This is a payday game for MTS just like the ISU game will be. BYU could show up and play with their third string and win by the twenty one points they are favored by. If BYU doesn't win by at least forty points it will be an epic failure. MTS has no defense to speak of and depends on the run game for their points. Both of which play to BYU's advantage how could the Y's offense not look good MTS.

  • CalJac LOS GATOS, CA
    Sept. 26, 2013 1:29 a.m.

    My problem is NOT with the players. The offensive SCHEME is horrible, especially the pass designs and the play calling. Running up the middle on 1st, 2nd & 3rd down inside the 10, pleeeze have some imagination. Why haven't we seen swing passes to the backs, quick passes to slanting receivers, quick screens, shovel passes, combination routes, etc. that are easy throws that build confidence in everyone? Why is it other "go fast" offenses (Oregon, Cal, etc.) always have someone wide open on passing downs, but we never do? It's the scheme! When I heard Anae was installing the "go fast" offense in the spring I was excited thinking we'd be throwing the ball all over the place. Now, I see they just worked on the option. All I get to see is 3 runs up the middle in 30 seconds and then a punt (BORING!), which gives our D about 1 minute of rest. If this is all Anae can design, it's time to plan something else than BYU football for Saturdays!

  • jaba166 Wasilla, AK
    Sept. 25, 2013 11:31 p.m.

    As far as the Ammon Olsen question, I still keep wondering why it has to be one or the other, Taysom or Ammon. It's clear Ammon has talent, but just a different skill set than Taysom. I know. BYU has tried and failed the two headed monster before, but that monster pulled from opposite ends of the beast. This would be more like the double headed monster, each complementing each other. While Taysom should remain clearly the leader and director of the offense, why not periodically get both on the field to keep defenses guessing. Snap the ball either to Ammon to pass, or to Taysom in the wildcat type (more obvious) to run, option, flea-flick, or visa versa, Ammon to option and Taysom to pass. I would keep defenses on their toes, and would be a heck of a lot of fun to watch!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    The momentum busters which caused low scoring for both Utah State, Wisconsin, and BYU are gone.

    Look for higher scoring from all three teams.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    As much as it pains me to admit this... Utah is a pretty decent 3-1 team, who is close to being undefeated. We lost to them by just a single score and had a couple of decent chances to tie the game in the 4th quarter and go into overtime for the win. Beyond that... Anae made an admitted dumb late game play call that cost us a victory on the road to Virginia. And we garnered national intention in solidly beating Texas. All things considered, it could be worse. A lot worse.

    This last game was our first one not played in rain-delayed circumstances this year. And now the coaches know precisely what needs to be fixed. Ok. So give them another game or two with their inexperienced qb. If by mid-season, there hasn't been noticeable improvement, then allow the boo-birds to start legitimately squawking. But right now, it still seems a little premature. The entire team still seems to love Taysom, his abilities and his natural leadership skills.. and are still standing by him. What do the fans know that they don't? Maybe we should consider standing by him a little longer, too.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Out of State Utah fan

    Thanks for sharing. Your suggestions are currently being added to our cylindrical file.

    btw, we so enjoyed watching your team in the couch potato bowl last year that we heartily recommend doing it again.

  • See It SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    I will be interested to see what you all are saying when the season ends and we are 4-8. Even Blaine Fowler said on TrueBlue Monday night that BYU wouldn't win many games with a QB that only completes 35% of his passes. We are last in passing effiency for the entire NCAA. We have never been that low ever. Something is awfully wrong in Mudville.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    BYU has not been dominated this year, and two losses by a total of 10 points isn't that grave.

    It's all in coaching adjustments, and motivation.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Like worf likes to point out, byu needs to get more trick plays and 15 yard penalties against the other team.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 25, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    Whine whine whine. Fire Bronco. Fire Anae. Hire Detmer ... hire Andy Reid ... why not Urban Meyer?

    Lets get real here. We're not Oregon with ooodles of Nike money. We're not 'Bama with tons of under the covers money. We're BYU with missions and honor codes. Recruiting and managing the personnel is a challenge that few coaches could manage.

    Fact is Bronco's record is almost identical to Lavel's and his bowl record is better. Remember when we used to complain about the defense? Well, Bronco's fixed that. Top tier.

    Now we have a new OC with a new idea and you guys are giving up after game 3! I know you guys are smarter than I am and certainly smarter than Anae and Bronco. Why isn't Holmoe talking you some of you guys?

  • Fish71 mesa, AZ
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    I have been watching BYU football for over 40 years. Last year there was an article about how bad Nelson was. Hill seems to be following in his footsteps. Ammon can throw the ball on the short passes, per previous articles better than Hill can. It also begs the question why are the receivers dropping passes. If there is TOO much speed on the ball, receivers can't catch it. We have a receiver who is probably going to set all the receptions in BYU history and he can't catch it or it is not thrown his way. Does not make sense. In the days of Young, Wilson, etc., the quarterbacks were schooled in the offensive for at least a year before starting, so there was no learning curve. These coaches are too much in love with Hill's speed and not his accuracy. If he can't throw in the pocket, let him roll out.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Whatsnu

    Good point - too many fans panic after only a couple of early season losses.

  • Out of State Utah fan Alpharetta, GA
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    @ Adirondack Cougar: depressing that a 10-2 result and a 6-6 result gets you the same bowl game. That is probably just how Bronco thinks. And you're settling for that.

    @ Texans for BYU: That is the point where you are: BYU fans could do a better job coaching. Utah fans could do a better job. Petty much anyone would do a better job. You should know how to recognize a good coach, being from Texas and all. HS football Capital of the world. And please don't dispute - just the size of the HS football stadiums there says it all.

  • Out of State Utah fan Alpharetta, GA
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    Keep doing what's NOT working for you...perfect way to keep losing games.
    Making sure your QB feels loved doesn't improve his passing ability.
    LOVE abounds in BYU football. Now let's hold hands and sing.
    Give me a break.
    Glad I am a UTAH fun. Good old smash-mouth FB.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    az2ut

    Bronco also literally started from scratch after Crowton had completely destroyed the program LaVell had built.

    EVERY program has its ups and downs, including many at the very top, national champions, that collapsed into shambles within a very short time period:

    - Alabama(13-0) 1992 NC finished 4-7 in 1995 - new coach
    - Nebraska(13-0) 1997 NC finished 7-7 in 2002 - same coach
    - Texas(13-1) 2009 NC finished 5-7 in 2010 - same coach
    - Auburn(14-0) 2010 NC finished 3-9 in 2012 - same coach

    A stumbling BYU program that lost to both in-state rivals in 1978, rebounded to finish with an 11-1, Top 12 ranking in 1979 with the exact same starting quarterback that started the 1978 season completing 32 of 80 passes, for 1 TD and 7 interceptions.

    Have a little patience.

    Things are not nearly as dire as the fans jumping off the bandwagon claim them to be.

  • az2ut South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    BlueCoug,

    Apples and Oranges. LaVell was literally starting from scratch. There was not a previous tradition of excellent, national-level footballl already in existence that LaVell simply needed to build upon. He took a relatively unknown program with no recruiting allure and a much smaller LDS talent pool to a nationally competitive level.

    Its a different case with our modern day football program and tradition. Where we are 9 years into Bronco's tenure is simply not acceptable. And its ok to say that. You don't have to defend Bronco at all costs. He is a fine man and I respect and appreciate that. I think, however, there are some very legitimate concerns about our football performance and ultimately the comes down to the man in charge.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    az2ut

    We were in this same state of affairs 7 years into LaVell's watch, 5 years after the BYU QB factory started with Gary Sheide. Lots of fans were losing patience back then, as well. In fact, BYU was still 3 years away from winning their first bowl game.

    btw, that BYU QB who began the 1978 season completing 32 of 80 passes, for 1 TD and 7 interceptions...

    was Marc Wilson, who despite his early struggles, became a consensus first-team All-American in 1979, was a 1st round NFL draft pick, and is now a member of the National College Football Hall of Fame.

  • az2ut South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    LonestarRunner and BlueCoug:

    I think we're far from wanting instant gratification and you are missing the point of why man fans are very critical right now...

    Frustration is boiling over from being in this current state of affairs 9 years into Bronco's watch. We shouldn't be here nearly a decade after he took the reigns. Even if this had been Bronco's first season, you expect week to week progress. We did not look better this week than we did week 1. We looked woefully unprepared and sloppy...and that was after having an extra week to prepare.

    Many fans have given Bronco the benefit of the doubt for a long time and are simply losing patience after a long road of repeated underperformance.

  • Hondo Sacramento, CA
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    "To the BYU fans jumping off the bandwagon"

    How quickly they jump off........

    Hilarious!

  • Hondo Sacramento, CA
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Where's Ducky? Tulsa? I'd like to hear her thoughts on this.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    BlueCoug

    Unfortunately, we live in the age of instant gratification. Nobody wants to wait for a work-in-progress to fully develop.

    Unlike Riley, Taysom has the physical ability to be a great QB. He simply needs time to develop. Impatient fans forget that he's only started 5 games over the course of two seasons.

  • Richard Cranium Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    "We’re pleased with where Taysom is at and how he’s playing".

    Not sure how anyone can be pleased with being dead last in passing efficiency there coach Beck. C'mon. I know you want to stand behind your player, but really?

  • Adirondack Cougar Loon Lake, NY
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Everyone take a deep breath. This is a work in progress. The loss stings, I feel it. So how will we all feel if we end up 10-2? Then Bronco is great again? Whether we finish 10-2 or 6-6 we still will go to the same bowl game, so let's give the team and coaches a chance to get all these new schemes time to come together. If after we get to the end of the season and no real progress is made then I would expect changes to be made for next year. And who can say that Taysom makes it through all 12 games? This week shouldn't be a struggle, and then a real test at Utah State.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    No changes in the offense? Huh? So they're doing the same thing over and over again?

    Then thank you for validating this definition (fill in the blank) "________________ : doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    To the BYU fans jumping off the bandwagon:

    Once upon a time...

    BYU stumbled into the season, barely winning it's first game 10-6, losing it's second game 17-24, and BYU's passing game was atrocious

    15 of 38 passing (39%), 193 yards, 1 TD, 3 int, 75.03 passing efficiency
    17 of 42 passing (40%), 261 yards, 0 TD, 4 int, 73.63 passing efficiency

    Even though he had an NFL caliber QB waiting in the wings, LaVell didn't panic; he stuck with his young QB. BYU lost to both Utah State and Utah that year, and lost their bowl game, but things eventually worked out. The Cougars went on to have their most successful period in BYU history.

    Have a little patience BYU fans. Things are going to work out again.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    evansrichdm

    I agree. BYU fans who are already hitting the panic button need to have a little patience. Despite the erratic passing game so far, Hill has demonstrated that he has a much better arm than Riley. He's thrown some very good passes, just not enough of them.

    Anae could help his struggling QB by mixing in more short passes - quick slants, button hooks, passes to backs circling out of the backfield - easier, high percentage passes to give his QB and receivers more confidence.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    I think BYU is going to take their lumps as Hill improves. He is new to the starting job and only a Sophomore. If this was next year and Junior and was only completing 35% I would be more worried.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Give it time folks. Hill will improve and has the telant to do it. We need to give it time. I have a feeling that the next game on Friday will be a breakout pass game. Once the player are comfortable with each other things will improve.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Go fast - go hard - go lose. Forgive me, I'm just suffering from Bronco fatigue.

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    BYU Football has fallen " From Bronco Mediocracy to Bronco Bottom! "

  • Texans for BYU Houston, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    I get a real kick out of the comments here. It's as through you all think you know more than the coaches who are working with this group of student athletes. And yet, you are the ones with lousy jobs who live just to sit on your couch and watch a game.

    This is a new offensive strategy and I expected it to have some wrinkles in it for the first couple games. The coaches will make adjustments and work with the boys to improve their weaknesses on the field. I have full faith and confidence in their abilities to work through this without the adjust of weekend couch potatoes like those posting above.

    GO COUGARS!

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    Hill can only get better, it's the only choice!

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    Every year under Bronco, the Cougars begin the season with their pants down around their ankles!
    Continual improvement
    More consistency
    A work in progress
    * a change in COACH. -> every excuse has now been used "BRONCO" your getting worse!!

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:09 a.m.

    As trite as it sounds, I agree with Bronco: the offense needs to work on execution. The offensive scheme worked well against Texas, and it would have worked against Utah if players would have executed. That simply means catching those passes rather than dropping them, and Hill not overthrowing so many receivers. Fix those issues and the game would have been a win for the Cougars.

    BTW, I still hate "independence"!

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:49 a.m.

    "BYU football: Despite recent struggles, Cougars don't plan to make any changes on offense."

    Excellent! See you in 3 years, now we can pick up where we left off.

    Bronco and crew, the gift that keeps on giving year after year.

  • east of utah Saint Joseph, MO
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:48 a.m.

    What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

  • SouthernBubba Alpharetta, GA
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:35 a.m.

    It's fine. Change nothing. Remain constant and consistent. Lose another 4-5 games. Then, you'll become, in the words of Coach Mendenhall, "irrelevant."

    Coach M is a good man. I'd want my kids to serve as missionaries under his leadership. Call him as mission president.Then hire someone who can hire a Grade "A" staff; Someone who has a fire in the belly for wins and beating Utah; someone who can win, attract talent and is a good guy.

    Sheesh. Please make a pitch to Andy Reid.

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    Timing... You're talking about timing. What were they doing all spring and summer?

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:19 a.m.

    Everyone just needs to calm down.

    2 weeks ago this "struggling" BYU offense put up 550 yds against Texas. Granted, this Texas team is not great, but It was still Texas!! The longhorns were not prepared for Taysom Hill and it showed. Utah was able to study the film from Texas and create a great game plan and contained the BYU running game beautifully, as bad as it pains me to say it. Taysom Hill has a great arm and is a smart and strong competitor and has elite speed in the open. I do not hold him responsible for the offensive struggles. The offensive line has been inconsistent (gave up 6 sacks to Utah) and the timing between Taysom and the receivers is a big problem. Then there is the play calling... Robert Anae seems to be too stubborn to make necessary adjustments to his game-plan. The defense consistently keeps BYU in the game, but the offense is always falling short. Something needs to change.

    The sad truth is BYU will never be a top program with the coaching staff it currently has. But I guess we should be grateful for consistent mediocrity? It could be worse.

  • UC Baller Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    I knew we should have signed the Timpview QB and big WR from last year. They both would be starting for us.

    C'mon Cougs- get it together! We aren't Oregon! Think about the plays you are calling and execute them. No more 15 yard over thier head throws and drops!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    BYU is going to smash MTSU; and all will be well in Provo again.

  • canadiancougar624 Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    BYU fans wouldn't be happy with Jim McMahon leading the offense. Can't be pleased. I've read the calls to make changes as long as I can remember.

  • cdchttrtn meridian, idaho
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    Worst offensive coordinator in football. There should be change now. Do not wait!!!!! Poor coaching all around. I don't think BYU puts enough time in to the program. Everybody they play is better coached and better prepared. Passing routes are horrible and play calling is the same. You can't keep running straight up the middle 10 or more times like they did against Utah. When you do this someone is going to get punished and he did. The offensive coordinator should be in the press box where he can see watch is going on.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    The problem might be more with receivers getting open, than who'se throwing it.

  • LunchBoy DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    It's unbelievable to me that the coaches are choosing now to teach fundamentals. The receivers should have been coached up on technique back in the spring. This whole staff is woefully incapable; fire them all.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    Now is not the time to replace the QB. I agree with the coaches on this one. Right now there are a lot more problems with the passing game than just the QB's accuracy. Let's work on all facets of the passing game to make it better. The only thing I would add that the coaches didn't mention--which I believe is a huge part of the problem--is improving the whole passing scheme and offensive play calling. There is plenty of room for improvement there.
    I still believe Taysom can be a very efficient passer because I have seen it--both last year and in high school. With this new system and the new coaching, it is unwise, and unfair, to bench Taysom after only 3 games.
    I still believe he will get better, as long as the coaches do their part.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Ok, I like Taysom, I really do, but he should be playing receiver or safety. Just like Reily, BYU coaches are now rallying around their choice... Taysom Hill. Of course the article says they are not "Planning" on making any changes so they've left some wiggle room for themselves.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    Bronco needs to have a lifetime contract as of right now.