Count me as a Ute fan who loves this rivalry, does not find it too intense or
hate filled and wishes it would continue unabated until the Utes have a lead in
the series that can never be equaled by the Cougars in my lifetime (oh,
wait--they already do...). The media, video clips, sound bites and the sad
contingent of those who post on articles are more responsible for framing this
wonderful matchup into something--too steeped in religion (nonsense, LDS players
on both sides) too hate filled (umm ever hear a Ohio State fan talk about a
Michigan fan?). I speak to my LDS friends before the game and wish them luck and
they do the same for me. In the three times they have come out on the winning
side in the last, oh--say twelve years, they have not been nose rubbing in
victory. Joyful tears of relief were more the norm. Like wise, in the nine
years (and last four match ups in a row) that my team has come out on the
winning side--they have shown humility and good sportsmanship as they quietly
shuffled away in defeat.
jarka-rus,You need to remember what the Utes have doing to
you're team for 20 years. Sad, sad when you can't find anything to
cheer about in happy valley.
@JakarusOf course I do, I stated 9 of the last 10 years. I can live
with that. Why re-iterate the obvious? I guess I need to merely consider the
source. What's it like to lose to your rival 4 years in a row Mr. Helper?
That's gotta make a fan bitter; case in point.
@Spokane Ute you do realize Utah sat home watching the bowl games last year
Ute fans need to remember that they haven't beaten a Pac 12 team yet this
year. UCLA will beat them by 40 and throw for 400+ yards
@oldtimefootfibber...."From a former college coach (D1 out of state), you
guys sure think you are something." "Funny but I am in my 40's and
am independently wealthy. I now work for a sports agent firm. I know what I am
talking about, where you fit into the delusional." If
that's true what's your name and what D1 team did you coach,
don't hide behind the screen name? As for the article I really
don't want to see any break in this rivalry. This is an automatic win
pretty much for the Utes every year why get rid of that....LOL had to throw one
jab out there. On a serious note I honestly want this game to be played every
year no matter what! Fans from both sides can say whatever they want but if were
all honest with ourself. We know the best time of the college season for us is
UCLA - USC, Oregon-OSU has nothing on BYU-Utah. UCLA-USC are about rich kids
dissing each other. Oregon-OSU is a good football rivalry. BYU-Utah is more like
Oklahoma State-OU, A&M-Texas, Texas-OU, Alabama-Auburn. Really nasty
rivalries where there is real hatred.Irrelevant or not, it is a good
game year in and year out.Most the trash talk is spurred on by these
I'm grateful for the break, because then news articles won't be
pumping out BYU vs. Utah articles to foster the online banter. most of the time
when it is in person and not behind a screen name, rivalry stuff is light and
fun. This blog stuff is ridiculous.StGtoSLC: I too am ashamed that
those who would don the Blue and claim representation of my Alma Mater would act
that way. That's the type of Y3wt we expect from your fanbase. Sickens
me.oldtimeftballer: Please. And what great D1 program did you used
to coach as an assistant? Just because both of these schools have had two down
years doesn't mean they are irrelevant.
@oldtimeftballer:Nobody on these boards have said that either team is
playing for a National Championship. This is purely conjecture on which team is
the better team. I haven't heard "Utah will be Oregon this year and
play in the NC" or "BYU could win out and play Alabama in January."
Not sure why everything needs to end with BCS relevancy. Every year people cheer
for teams they know aren't making it to the Super Bowl or the World Series.
They do it for the love of the team/school. Not because they will bring home a
trophy each year.
If byu had the upper hand, the rivalry wouldn't be as savage. Poor sports.
As a BYU alum and fan, I am disgusted by the fan behavior after the game
(throwing things at the departing refs). I'm also a huge Wisconsin fan,
and was quite concerned that the officiating crew who stole the win from
Wisconsin vs ASU would also be officiating the BYU-Utah game.However, bottom line, the officials did a good job, and Utah simply outplayed
the Cougars. But to see fan animosity directed to officials the way it was
almost made me ashamed to be an alum... then I remembered that BYU itself is
still a great school. C'mon fans, act like you believe in the principles
(brotherly love, integrity) that make BYU great.
@oldtimeftballerYou do realize that Utah has been to a bowl 9 of the
last 10 years don't you? I'm sure you also realize they missed a bowl
last year by one game. I guess if that makes you laugh; giggle away! I think it
actually makes you look silly and someone who will grasp at straws to be-little
Utah's football program. Pretty sad and pathetic. IMO
This is the funnest game of the year, it's like the Utah super bowl.
Really I see more people in UT get up for this game than for any other sporting
event of the entire year. Why change that? Plus coworkers get to have some fun
poking at each other and everything. Why cancel the super bowl?
Re kittensFunny but I am in my 40's and am independently
wealthy. I now work for a sports agent firm. I know what I am talking about,
where you fit into the delusional. Keep making your "greatness" claims
for your team. Spew hate to the other side. That's your definition of
FANatic. Whatever. U can continue to be an idiot. All I said is the harsh
reality. Neither the 10th best PAC 12 team not the independent padded team are
relevant. Nor ranked.I am laughing out loud at your non bowl game
utes.Re kosimiv...that logic works in basketball not football. You
don't see Notre Dame playing Idaho State, Tennesee State, Weber State. Ha.
People would laugh at ND if that were true. Non relevant non ranked team.
I guess the only BYU-Utah fix any of us will have for the next 2 years is
basketball. In that rivalry it has been lately one-sided in the opposite
direction. BYU has won 7 straight and 11 of the last 12 meetings against Utah.
Interesting that in the 80's and 90's BYU was the football school and
Utah was the basketball school. Now it has shifted in the 2000's and
2010's as Utah is the football school and BYU is the basketball school. I
guess depending on the sport and team you embrace will determine if that's
a good thing or a bad thing.
"royalblueAlpine, UTThe Utes needed a time out so they would
have a chance of playing in a bowl game some time in the next 4 years."Yes because BYU has gotten fat on lower tier substandard bowl games and
it has done nothing to advance their program. How low has BYU fallen, You went
from bragging about a 30 year old undeserved national championship to bragging
about horrible bowls you play because you play a flimsy schedule full of teams
that are barely Div 1.
@oldtimeftballerSo only the bigtime sports programs have a right to
have FANatics? Nobody is saying the these schools are factors of
anything. Go back to where you coached and lecture them...oh yeah, you were
tarred and feathered and ran out on a rail (old time punishments were harsh).
Drink some ensure, change your depends, and go back to sleep.
Some of my fellow LDS are completely missing the point of the trash throwing.
It is not that "no one got hurt or they weren't hard objects" even
though some objects were hard. Water bottles from distances and the pull of
gravity can cause serious harm. What if a police officer lost an eye and could
not protect and serve?THE POINT is we are members of of the LDS
Church and we represent Jesus Christ, we take on HIS NAME and work to better
humanity. No excuses.Giving into your anger and frustration and
throwing objects is serving which master? Who is the master of rage, division
and anger? What example are you setting?
I have been a BYU fan my entire life. I graduated from BYU in 1990. I was at
the Holiday Bowl when McMahon beat SMU. I was at the LES when Detmer beat
Miami. I remember Danny Ainge's full-court drive and final second shot to
beat Notre Dame like it was yesterday. Finally, I have always been
uncomfortable with the attitude of many BYU fans regarding officials, coaches,
players, and BYU's position in the intercollegiate athletics scene.
Becuase I love BYU sports, I slog through the mess to attend games and support
the Cougars. But, the actions of BYU fans at a recent basketball game and now
this football game by throwing debris at referees is the last straw. When did
this become an acceptable way to act? Until I feel as though fans have gotten a
clue, which I will not count on happening any time soon, I will not attend
another BYU sporting event....I am done and don't want to be associated
with these pathetic losers in any way, shape, or form!!!
Brad Rock is one of the worst writers in the world. Who takes the time to write
about the rivalry taking a break, and then places the blame on one side just to
add fuel to the fire?"Much of the blame for the rivalry’s
tone can be traced to the Utes. Twenty years ago they were docile and compliant
— and had been for at least that long."The Deseret News is
unbelievably biased towards the Cougars and I find it nearly impossible to read
A lot of the fan bashing is caused by these pointless articles and the anonymous
message boards like this one allowing people to say things that they would never
say otherwise. Way to stir it up again Rock. (He's probably laughing under
his breath.) Are these "writers" incentives based on how much vitriol
they stir up by these pointless articles? Yep, got me again.
@ BYU pads it's schedule to be bowl eligible.It is amusing that
so many people here know everything about everything about these two teams, but
are so subjective. If you are an independent, you take the games you can get. It
is very tough to get a schedule full of top ten opponents who don't want to
risk losing to you even though you may not be a perennial powerhouse but
surprise opponents regularly. If they lose to a team with a strong reputation
they aren't hurt nearly as bad as if they lose to a middle team like BYU or
a lesser known team like Utah. (Before the uproar begins, this is a SCHOOL
factor, not just a football trait. BYU has consistently had strong teams in ALL
sports for some time, which builds familiarity in the fan base. Utah has been
red hot or ice cold and has not had the same effect on fans).It has
gotten to the point where each person here says about the same things every
post, and it doesn't matter that much how the teams do! They just want to
get their licks in!
Silly, predictable article that fails to mention what is possibly the worst
thing about the rivalry--the media: both local papers, all the TV news channels,
the radio shows, etc., that purposefully fuel the flames of the rivaly to
rediculous levels. Take away some of the crazy reporting and the rivalry calms
down to a substantial degree.I think skipping the rivalry game for
two years is a big mistake and hope that in one of those two years the teams
will meet in a bowl game. It could happen.The vast majority of BYU
and Utah fans I know love the rivalry and know how to keep things in
perspective. Without the media hype, the rivalry would get along just fine.Yes, there are haters on both sides. And, yes there is rediculous
behavior on both sides. But, for the most part the fans are great, the teams
and coaches are great, and the rivaly is great.Can't wait until
the next game. Meantime, here's hoping both teams win lots of ball
games.Long live the rivalry!
Dutchman, I haven't heard a single byu fan suggest Hadley shouldn't
have been held accountable if he broke team rules. What we find holier than thou
by ute fans is falsely claiming something may have NCAA implications just to
justify sending the information to BYU. What Hadley did was not illegal so
unless the ute "fans" truly believed there was a possible NCAA
violation(which they didn't), they have simply decided they are new
enforcer of BYU's honor code. The self righteousness in Provo pales in
comparison to what its like on the hill. But I guess one way most teams avoid
situations like this is to just not values in the first place right?
While I will miss the victories over BYU I want to thank Dr. Hill for the
reprieve from this nonsense. And BTW, the Utah Athletic Department did not turn
anything over to the BYU Honor Code office. BYU's Athletic Department
turned their own athlete over to the Honor Code Office after information which
was shared with them by the U contained a possible NCAA infraction regarding the
athlete's association with a team booster. That sharing of information is
standard among NCAA members. Utah is not to blame for BYU's Honor Code
Office getting information on Hadley. That all lies with BYU itself.
StGtoSLC ThanksHope the Utah have a good season, who
knows maybe we will play each other again in a bowl game, which would be fun
since it would be outside of Utah.
The two teams no longer need each other; outside of the state of Utah, no-one
really cares who wins when they play; back east where I used to live, BYU was
often confused with Utah and Utah with Utah State-they are not football
powers; BYU as an independent wants to make its splash by being a
top ten team each year; so they schedule teams across the country; playing Utah
or Utah State does nothing for their resume'; they need to beat ND,
Wisconsin, OK, TX, GA Tech, USC etc. on a regular basis to be relevant;
UTAH needs to step it up and win the PAC12; they will only be relavant in
the country if they win the Conference title on a regular basis, or they will
simply be a footnote in the conference and on the national scene like WSU, OSU,
AZ and CAL; Playing BYU, Utah State and Weber State does nothing for them.
Good on ya evans, good luck to your team as well, especially Jamaal Williams.
I will admitt I am upset with how my team played, but I will get over it. Before the game this weekend I was doing some shopping while wearing a Y
shirt. A lady was wearing a U shirt. I felt a little awarkerd being the lane was
really narrow. I told her good luck with the game. She said the same. It was a
nice moment. I had more shopping to do at other stores, so I told my family if
any U fan wearing a U shirt made eye contact with me I was going to wish them
good luck. My wife was not sure it was a good idea. Some reacted a littel
surprised, but most reacted in a positive manner, one even did a high five with
me. For a while rivilary was fun. At church the next day I told the U fans that
they played a good game against us and won. Good luck the rest of the season.
@StGtoSLCI too watched the footage of BYU fans throwing trash at the
game officials as they left the field. Absolutely unacceptable, but not
mentioned by this news service. Talk about lack of class. If the comments on
these boards, by some of the over the tope fans, are any indication. It's
really not all that suprising. Some folks can't keep it in perspective.
I can rib my Mormon friends for at least 2 more years about our winning
steak.comment like this is why it get personal.
royalblue"The Utes needed a time out so they would have a chance
of playing in a bowl game some time in the next 4 years."Sadly,
the Utes won't even have their September bowl game to look forward to.
This board just proves Rock right. The rivalry should be permanently cancelled
until BYU fans quit throwing paper at the refs and Utah fans quit drinking booze
in LES. Maybe we should continue the Rugby rivalry though? Oh sorry, Utah's
team was disbanded for bad behavior. Oh well.
So now the cougars have three more years to complain how they were robbed. Four
in a row and three more to go.
Lost in all of this pathetic hate talk is the fact these are just student
athletes. That's one BIG thing the schools have in common. I'm a
lifelong BYU fan but have family that have gone to the U, and have known several
football players who were awesome kids. I also see how many of my Ute friends
get stung by some of the more personal jibes. So yes, while neither side is
perfect, we're just people and often from the same family on both sides.
I was visiting out there last week and when I revealed who I was
cheering for, had someone tell me "we don't like you here". Now if
someone I know tells me that, I can laugh at the comment, but coming from a
stranger, that's just plain weird. Let's grow up people, and act like
adults. For those of you with any moral compass, LDS or not, knock it off!
Cougar Cindy,Your comments are far too reasonable for this crowd.
Please read all the comments. Every story about BYU and Utah.From a
former college coach (D1 out of state), you guys sure think you are
something.You would think you are two Top 5 programs.Reality check...both the Utes and Cougars are non factors and not relevant in
the BCS picture anymore.Utah will barely be bowl eligible; BYU pads
it's schedule to be bowl eligible.Fans from both sides should
get a clue.
So the fans get a little emotional and sometimes even the players. But
it's not like rabid fans are killing century old trees or anything. Let
the games continue. As far as dramatic, close games, the last 20 years of BYU
vs. Utah football have utterly spectacular. I for one is saddened by the
Reading some of these comments convinces me that I'm glad there is a break
from the rivalry and I wish it was permanent. It's not fun anymore. I can
go watch a bunch of two year olds bicker and throw tantrums and get the same
experience. Thanks but no.
@royalblueThe Utes needed a time out so they would have a chance of
playing in a bowl game some time in the next 4 years.----------------Yes and that is why we canceled the annual
guaranteed win. Utah is 9-3. So BYU has a better chance of Tysom
Hill throwing a completion, then BYU has beating Utah.I will let you
decide what's more sad.
Well, these boards are proving Brad Rock is right this time. Cougars we've
cried a river, now let's build a bridge and get over it. No more whining
and blaming, please.The game was oh so disappointing, but bad fan
behavior is much worse. Heaven help us if the hiatus does not cure it.GO COUGARS!
No it doesn't. Even if the Utes have won four in a row and 10 out of the
last 13, the vast majority of the games have been dramatic, often coming down to
the last possession or even the last play in regulation or overtime. These
games are great. Whatever Utah football player said, "I hope that the
A.D.'s pull their heads out.." was totally right on.
I am super glad that the rivalry is taking a hiatus. It will make both sides
sort of go back to their respective corners and be quiet. There is too much
animosity in this whole affair.
I do not like BYU and probably never will but you will never see me make a post
using the word 'hate' or similar; there is just no need for that. I
respect the accomplishments of BYU and the talent of players like Van Noy but
that doesn't mean I will ever root for them to win.Spent most
of my life in Utah, am not LDS and don't see that the schools are all that
similar. One is public, the other private. One is liberal and the other is
conservative. About the only similarity I see is they are both located close to
each other. I'm glad to see a 2 year break and hope some of
the fans grow up in that time span. Even better, I can rib my Mormon friends
for at least 2 more years about our winning steak.
Here are the y "fans", early and often, eager to cast the first stone.
Thanks for making Rock's point.
One person who I'm sure appreciated Max Hall's ill-advised victory
speech was Lenny Gomez. The media used to replay his "you'll be pumping
my gas" rant until Max came up with something more comprehensive. Its also
interesting to note that the Cougar's haven't won since Max's
"I get ashamed of my fellow Mormons when they think cheering for a
particular team absolves them from doing what is right."Me, too.
Seeing hundreds of members of my faith hurl things at referees because of the
outcome of both a football game and a basketball game in less than 3 years is
very embarrassing. When people ask me why so many people follow rules that are
strictly for my faith, but fail to live up to principles of common decency, it
saddens me to have no good answer.
Royal You guys helped us get to bowl games. Automatic
Can I expect to see you back here in December if, which now appears very likely,
BYU fails to become bowl eligible?Didn't think so.Be careful how you dish it out, when there is more than a decent chance BYU
will be bowl-less this year.You've won one game. Where are the
other 5 coming from?At least Utah is halfway there. So ya, your
smack is pretty ridiculous.
I was hoping that the rivalry would end. The contention and silly actions is
getting out of hand. Too bad for this fan that this rivalry will continue.Go UTES!!
With each passing year Max's words, however harsh, were becoming more true.
I find it pretty sad and pathetic when a fan base tries to hide behind a lack of
a specific honor code as an excuse for poor behavior. Right is right and wrong
is wrong. I have a hard time believing the man upstairs has one set of rules for
me and another for my friends in the red, be they Mormon, Catholic, baptist, or
atheist. I get ashamed of my fellow Mormons when they think cheering for a
particular team absolves them from doing what is right.
Can you think of anything more holier than thou than tattling on the other team?
Provo used to be known as a hot bed for self righteousness, but that title has
since moved to salt lake. Perhaps with this break ute "fans"
will begin to pay more attention to their team than byu. But judging by the
number of comments on byu vs Utah articles I would say that is not likely. What
we all have in common is we pay more attention to BYU, cougars and utes alike.
The Utes needed a time out so they would have a chance of playing in a bowl game
some time in the next 4 years.