Amid media maelstrom, Mike Lee calls Ted Cruz 'kindred spirit'


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  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    March 30, 2015 10:07 a.m.

    Today people talk about how "Republicans shut the government down", as if they were the runs running the show. Precious years from now, we'll get to read about how the few who stood and proclaimed what is true despite their bi-partisan opposition, and the reign of kingmen in our capitol.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Lee. I just have to sigh.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Sept. 27, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Don't even think about running the Canadian born Cruz for president. Don't even go there.

  • Befuddled WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Senator Ted Cruz reminded me of how I have always imagined our forefathers to be ~ Patriotic Statesmen. I commend Senator Cruz for his brilliant stand against tyranny and our lackadaisical, corrupt, status-quo government.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    Kindred spirits...? Did Lee make Cruz crazy, or did Cruz make Lee crazy?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    I talked for 21 hours --
    And didn't give us ONE better idea, solution or alternative?


  • dkjack Long Beach, CA
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Kindred spirits? Sure, they're both scum of the earth. I don't say that just to name-call. We fought a world war to rid the world of creatures like Lee and Cruz, but alas they are always with us. Such a dismal prospect on the future of the human species! The only hope is that what they represent will eventually die out, like the Neanderthals they compare unfavorably with.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 2:31 p.m.


    How about we stop the childish and calling and obviously false labeling,

    and how about we stop the monstrosity that is Obama care first,

    and then come with another plan if we must,

    any plan that covers and governs the health care of over 300 million people and 1/6th of our economy needs to take a lot time and care to craft and by input of a lot of people,

    if we are to do it right.

    It us huge undertaking to do it right and not a simple proposal or bill,

    The horrendous obamacare was none of that, none of that at all, just a quick and horrible attempt by the extreme left to take over health care.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    I tend to vote R (but not exclusively by any means). I cannot wrap my head around the approach being taken by individuals such as these in the present political environment. You are setting up the R for a landslide loss in 2016, and bragging all the way. People are past the hater persona; come up with real solutions instead of endless bashing. If the ideas are compelling, people will sign up to them. Otherwise, you just leave a bad taste in people's mouth as "haters".

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    To "Fred44" they did come up with ideas that were better, but the Democrats refused to consider them. Even if they just said that they would do nothing, that is a better idea than raising insurance premiums, and all of the other unintended consequences that we now have to deal with.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Great for the sake of argument the affordable health care act is a bad idea, how about the republicans coming up with a better idea instead of these little games of theater.

  • WGWonka Santa Barbara, CA
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Cruz and Lee are making fools of themselves. One definition of a zealot is "one who redoubles his efforts when he has lost sight of his goal." Cruz is an egotist and is a laughingstock within his own party (see the article in GQ, for example). By allying himself with Cruz, Lee risks being tarred with the same brush.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    To "one old man" if the signs that we have already seen from Obamacare are any indication of what full implementation will bring, then we are doomed.

    You forget that when Obamacare was first proposed its total cost was going to be $800 billion over 10 years. Now, it is $2.7 Trillion over 10 years, and that isn't even 10 years of full implementation. If just partial implementation raises its cost by $1.9 Trillion, then how much more will full implementation cost us?

    It is also well documented that many businesses have cut worker hours to 29 hours or less, and many businesses have cut benefits.

    How many more signs of doom do you need to see before you believe that Obamacare is a disaster and will do more economic harm than good?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:58 p.m.


    The idea is good, the bill is very very bad.

    A better idea is not needing insurance at all.

    So why does the left want to burden everybody, hurt business, and make the the healthcare system worse.

    Yeah, no need for insurance is a much better idea.

    @one old man

    extreme labeling of opponents from leftist extemists is not constructive and false.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    We have yet to see the total financial ramifications from Obamacare. You may try to ignore the likely truth with right wing fear mongering, but this law hasn't had a chance to show its benefits yet.

    After ACA has been fully implemented and had its kinks worked out, even ardent conservatives will have to admit what a great blessing Obamacare is. Watch and learn.

    But I'm afraid not even that will get them to stop listening to the doomsayers of hate radio and the Tea Party.

  • Curly4 Duncan, OK
    Sept. 24, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    Why is it that it will be only the republicans that will be accused of shutting down the government when neither party nor the POTUS will agree to come to a compromise? The republicans house has already pass a bill to fund the government until the first of the years but Senator Reid has already that will not be even brought for a vote. Reid will take the house bill and delete the parts that he does not like and add what he wants and bring that vote up for vote. But that would be illegal if I am not wrong.
    If only four democratic senators abandon Reid the house version could pass then if the POTUS vetoed it then who would be causing the shutdown.
    If the congress and POTUS does not get their head out where the will not break their neck if the set down to hard this country will become a has been. China and Russia will be more than willing to take our place. Then that might be an improvement.

  • DeseretDebbie Corona, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Kindred spirit? As in Lucifer? Not a kindred spirit of Jesus Christ. Kindred spirit of Joe McCarthy maybe.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Bravo to Senators Lee and Cruz for heroically standing up for principled opposition to one of the worst laws ever passed, and actually trying to fix that problem.

    Where is our Senior Senator Hatch during this opportunity for his seniority, wisdom and experience to stop Obamacare? The answer is, he is hiding waiting to see which way the wind blows, or to avoid irritating his "friends across the aisle."

    Congress, especially the perpetually constipated Senate, has gotten us into serious problems, and usually made them only worse. This is a moment when Senators can support Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and fix the problem of Obamacare. Or, they can weasel around and try to land on both sides of the issue and fight for their own reelection and power, not to save the country for future generations.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    To "atl134" I am not alone. From Forbes we read "Obamacare Will Increase Health Spending By $7,450 For A Typical Family of Four"

    They based their analysis on data produced by Medicare Actuaries.

    How can health insurance be less expensive if it costs more? The money has to come from somewhere.

    You also missed the CNN report that included information telling us how for many states the increased cost of insurance is anywhere form 24% to nearly 100% more than before Obamacare. It isn't just me, it is the insurance actuators too that that are saying it will cost more. The sample size is in millions, not just 1.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    Oh well let me throw out the national reports I drew my result from (Commerce Department data) and instead use your one person sample size.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    These two Senators are wasting everyone's time. If you have a legislative proposal, put it out there. But you offer nothing whatsoever except obstruction. Will you do this for every law with whihc you don't like, the ones that were properly enacted, upheld by the Spurprem Court, and ratified by the people in the 2012 election? Isn't that anarchy, or worse? Do these Senators need big red noses and oversized shoes?

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Has there ever been anything more embarrassing to the State of Utah

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    Subject to the political realities, the main purpose of the ACA is to allow people to get insurance coverage who can't get it now. Is that bad, I ask you?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    It's kind of interesting to hear those who want to criticize those who believe in the Constitution and don't believe in Socialism with things like, "get off social security and medicare." What they don't get is, we agree! Get the government out of everything that destroys initiative, creates welfare, promotes promiscuity, pays for war, keeps the poor poor and the rich rich, etc., etc., etc. It's so ironic that the ones who want free health care, higher taxes, government theft, bureaucratic malaise, descending educational achievement, etc. will howl with a torrent of righteous indignation when Senator Lee proposes a higher tax credit for parents with children. I don't want anything from the government but to do what it was constitutional mandated to do, protect my individual rights. In its absence, I'm going to propose that we confiscate all the wealth of everyone and give it to me, since I would least have some fun with it. Most of them are just miserable with it anyway. Since there is no common sense and no one willing to stand on principle, let this be my principle; Give it to me!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    To "Truthseeker" and "atl134" you are both wrong. Let me use my insurance as an example.

    I still pay close to what I did before Obamacare, but I get fewer benefits. Before when my children were sick or injured I could go to a Doctor's office and pay a $25 co-pay and get them looked at. Now, I pay out of pocket until I meet the deductable, then my insurance pays 75% of the costs. I pay more, and get less coverage.

    The costs are going up, and if they have gone up as much as they have without full implementation, what will happen once we have full implementation.

    If you think costs are not going up that much, think again. It is more common to read stories like "One man's ObamaCare nightmare" from Fox News. See "Where Obamacare premiums will soar" at CNN.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    @ Reasonable Person:

    Obamacare has cost many more jobs than it's created. Many mid-sized companies are cutting back their number of employees just to get below the 50 person threshold. On top of that, many other companies are turning previous full-time jobs into part-time jobs just to avoid Obamacare requirements. That's exactly the reason the heads of the 6 biggest unions in the country recently sent letters to Obama with their firm opposition to it

    So far, Obamacare has been only negative for the economy. There is a reason Obamacare is becoming more and more unpopular in all the polls as more of it becomes known.

    @ alt34:

    Who do you think will be paying for all the subsidies Obamacare is promising? Most companies are trying to avoid Obamacare like a plague because of the enormous cost increases to them (see iinfo above)... even to the point of changing many jobs to part time and reducing their work forces. Also, by dropping their insurance benefits, it only proves that employees are not able to keep their existing coverages like Obama promised. Also, almost all studies are predicting substantial cost increases for most people.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 12:59 p.m.


    I've heard both my district's Congressman (Chaffetz) and one of my Utah Senators (Lee) speak up numerous times against corporate welfare -- including, as you mention, superfluous military cuts -- as well. They're certainly not perfect, lol, but they tend to pursue many types of budget cuts -- unlike my other Utah Senator (Hatch) who constantly pushes extremely expensive and unnecessary "security" and "defense" corporate welfare bills pushed by his longtime lobbyist friends.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    what about coporate welfare why dont ant of you say anthing about it. or spending on weapons the army says it doe not want and the air force says it does not want.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    "Since implementation it has only increased the cost of insurance and pushed insurance companies to decrease benefits as a cost savings measure."

    Costs have increased at the slowest rate in half a century (this is attributed mostly to the recession) so that idea is incorrect. Also most of Obamacare hasn't even gone into effect yet. Once the subsidies, ban on preexisting condition denial for adults (its' been in effect for children for years), and exchanges kick in then we'll see what the effect of Obamacare is.

    As for companies... some of them are dropping benefits because the exchanges are a cheaper system for their employees than what the employees were paying under company plans.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Thank you, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz.
    Because of your constant, anti-American efforts to ruin the US Economy, we Democrats will take control of the House of Representatives in 2014 and 2016 (when another Democrat will be elected).

    Even the right-wing Supreme Court upheld the ACA (what/s that? If you don't know....you shouldn't be screaming "Obamacare").

    Not only will the ACA HELP the economy by insuring that the users of health facilities PAY for it, but it will provide jobs in that industry.
    What else do we do, that cannot be off-shored? Build homes? We know how that worked out.

    Let's pull together, fix what needs fixed in the ACA....and get on with our wonderful country.
    Tea Partiers, get off Medicare and Social Security if you don't like "socialism".

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 12:31 p.m.


    1. Not much will be different as the law is put into place for those who get insurance through their employers, and that’s the bulk of Americans.

    2. New minimum benefit standards will mean more generous insurance plans for many of those who buy health coverage on their own on the individual market, which has been able to offer cheap, bare-bones plans.

    3. A report released by the Lewin Group, notes that the costs will vary by state. States that already limit premium variability based on age or health status will not seeing much of an increase. In fact, costs could decrease, as “younger and healthier individuals will enroll due to the reduced cost from the premium subsidies,” the report says. Other states without community rating will experience an increase in costs.

    4. The CBO reported the average premium per person in the individual market would go up by 10-13% because of the health care law, but for most, subsidies would push their costs “well below” what they would have been charged without the law.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    To "dave4197" you realize that everything else from the ACA has been a huge failure.

    Lets look at the primary reasons why it was implemented. The biggest argument for the ACA was that it would lower the cost of insurance. Since implementation it has only increased the cost of insurance and pushed insurance companies to decrease benefits as a cost savings measure.

    The other argument was that it would increase the number of insured people in the US. Since its implementation companies like McDonalds that had limited healthcare benefits are dropping health insurance programs or are cutting employee hours so they don't qualify for insurance.

    We were also told that it would reduce the deficit. Now, it will raise the deficit.

    We can go into all of the taxes that were raised and the expensive mandates too if you want to, but the problem is that the ACA has failed in its primary goal.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    The irony of it all. When you actually have someone standing for something, whether Tea-party or Communist, the status quo goes berserk. You can either go with the status quo, Republican or Democrat (the naive and deluded), or you can go with someone who actually has a different approach to making government work (Maybe defending the Constitution, supporting free enterprise, and limiting government would work better than war, welfare dependency, and socialism). It's really simple. Mike Lee doesn't believe in European style socialism. He actually believes in liberty, Individual rights, and the Constitution. It's not surprising that those who are against him don't. Their Utopia is somewhere between a marxist death camp and the welfare state, both of which Lee rejects. Studying history and the Constitution would be a good beginning point to understanding why liberty is the foundation for anything good. Republicans and Democrats routinely reject liberty and throw everybody who doesn't go along with them overboard. When I see the vitriol directed toward Senator Lee, I'm certain he must be doing something right.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    @ Truthseeker:

    We have yet to see the total financial ramifications from Obamacare. You may try to hide the likely truth with "constant" dollars (lipstick on a pig), but Obama isn't thru with this yet. He keeps adding exemptions and changes to his own bill (unconstitutionally, since it's already been declared law... meaning only Congress should be able to change it).

    Before Obama is thru with this, even ardent liberals will have to admit what a train-wreck Obamacare is. Watch and learn.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    "1) Obamacare has unquestionally been declared the most expensive "tax" (per the Supreme Court) in the history of our country"

    Using “constant” dollars — all adjusted to equal the value of a dollar in 2009 — the ACA drops to fourth place, and the tax increase signed in 1982 by President Reagan becomes the largest since 1968.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Two nuts in one shell.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Called "wack-o birds" by members of their own party,
    with friends like that, who needs enemies?

    gotta love it...

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Sen Lee has so far done nothing for the people of Utah. The tea party likewise is a nothing group. So called obamacare has several good points, 1. requires us to purchase health insurance instead of becoming a ward of the state, 2. requires health insurance providers to provide to all instead of denying any coverage to the sickest among us, 3. caps the profit of health insurance companies. The anti's could start with coming up with good modifications to the aca, such as further capping compensation to health insurance company execs (down to $300k would be my suggestion), such as requiring employers of any person (not just those 40 hr per weekers) to provide a health insurance policy, such as requiring employers of any person (above) to pay a living wage which would include enough to purchase a health insurance plan, and otherwise to live near that employer's place of business. Change the tax code, schedule A, to reduce the threshhold of 7.5% before a taxpayer can deduct the cost of health insurance.
    Got more ideas.
    Senator Lee, go there, Texas, with Cruz, they'll like you there. Not here.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    I'm grateful for Lee's leadership and strongly support him. Senator Hatch blows every which way depending on where popular misunderstanding lands one day or well-connected lobbyists dictate the next. Lee reads widely, studies the issues, can explain his votes, and has a connection to reality. And the reality is that Federal government is way way overgrown and out-of-control regardless of political ideology. That's a fact. And if some Federal trimming and short vacations need to happen to start talking about those facts then that is something that perhaps we should welcome. I wish both our Senators were on that page. *Senator* Obama talked eloquently in 2006 about the failure of Federal leadership. He declared it was immoral and unconscionable to keep kicking the can down the road and heap un-repayable debts on our children and grandchildren. He was right. But then he stopped caring and just started playing along like Senator Hatch. Thank goodness for Freshman Senators.

  • nsteph Providence, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Good for them! More people need to do what is right regardless of the political consequences. The Republican party has been spineless and has been pummelled over by the strong armed democrats and liberal media machine for long enough. It is time we draw a line in the sand and don't erase it when the going gets tough. If this were about egos like Obama's 'red line' I would say don't draw it in the first place, but it is about what is best for the country. Good for them!

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Doesn't anyone in this country get it? We are spending money like a drunken sailor on bureaucrats, welfare, medicaid, medicare, you name it, with high taxes, huge unemployment as people withdraw from the work force. These two men are fighting a losing battle it is true.

  • downunder south jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Please can't we impeach Lee or even better let him run for president.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    The facts:

    1) Obamacare has unquestionally been declared the most expensive "tax" (per the Supreme Court) in the history of our country.

    2) Obamacare amounts to a redistribution of wealth... the primary characteristic of socialism.

    3) Obamacare is opposed by the majority of Americans as shown by virtually all major polls.

    As such, Lee is doing the right thing in helping represent what the majority of Americans want... though the liberal press are doing their level best to denigrate Cruiz and Lee... regardless of what people actually want. It's refreshing to see politicians stand up for correct principles instead of cow-towing to other politicians who are more interested in their political careers than doing what they know in their hearts to be the right thing for our country.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    Not really.
    It's called fight fire with fire.
    The Chicago way! ;)

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Definitely two peas in one terribly confused and misdirected pod.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Will Utah succeed from the Union with Texas when the attempt to defund the Affordable Healthcare Act fails. Will Cruz and Lee benefit for attempt to shut down the government?

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    And to think that the people in Utah would vote for Lee over Bob Bennett is incredulous.