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Published: Monday, Sept. 23 2013 8:20 p.m. MDT

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Epinephrine
Grand Forks, ND

Isn't this an oxymoron?

Ranch
Here, UT

I don't want to attend church on Sunday, why in the world would I want to attend this?

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

Another reason why I love the Book of Mormon: Alma 30 (Korihor the anti-Christ) and Jacob 7 (Sherem the anti-Christ). It strongly shows how foolish these kind of philosophies are.

Little did Dave Gamble know the "doctrine" he uttered is not an original idea and was already presented by many false teachers in ages of old.

Helaman 16:18 - "it is not reasonable that such a being as a Christ shall come." Those were the philosophies of the "atheists" of that time, and then Christ came to the Americas and proved them wrong.

Maybe they ought to consider 3 Nephi 9:14-15 - "Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are [...]"

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: 1.96 Standard Deviations. 3 Nephi 9:15, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are [...]Context,

(John 1:1-3) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word (Jesus)was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were *made; without him nothing was *made that has been* made.

*made ( Greek 1096, Ginoma) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being.
(Col 1:16)For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

The Bible and the Book of Mormon teach, Creation Ex Nihlio

brokenclay
Chandler, AZ

Atheism will shatter under the juggernaut of Islam. We're only a couple of decades away from seeing it happen in France, and not much longer in the rest of Europe. If your religion says your only life is right now, and you will never exist again, then self-preservation becomes priority one-- and this includes excising any artificially constructed beliefs, originally held to avoid the specter of nihilism, for the purpose of survival. Atheism flourishes only where it is propped up and comfortable.

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

sharrona-

Those are great scriptures. We are in agreement that Christ is the Creator. Revelation through modern day apostles and prophets expand our understanding on what "create" meant in the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

Abraham 3:24: "And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;"

* Christ used extant materials to create the world, it wasn't ex-nihilo.

Abraham 4:1: "And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, [...], organized and formed the heavens and the earth."

* A better descriptor for "created" in the Bible and Book of Mormon is "organized."

Lastly, D&C 131:7-8 - "There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter."

Demosthenes
Rexburg, ID

So now they're in effect defining atheism as a religion. Good. Maybe they'll stop their legal actions to establish their religion as the official state religion, which is forbidden by the constitution.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: 1.96 Standard Deviations. Revelation through modern day apostles and prophets expand our understanding on what "create" meant in the Bible.

(Jude 1:6 KJV) the angels which kept not their first estate= (*arche, Grk 746) but left their own habitation,… See Abr 3:26. *first place, principality, rule.

i.e..( Jude 1:6 NIV) And the angels who did not keep their positions
of authority but abandoned their own home… Fallen angels(devils) Nothing to with Ante-mortal being...
Christians, and Jews believe that God created all that exists ex nihilo (out of nothing)
For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence

.(Ecc 12:7)… the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

In (2Tim 1:9 & Titus 1:2)God existed before time, implying he created time. …
God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV).

Tertulllian wrote against the Platonic doctrine the Pre-existence of the soul and the Pythagorean doctrine of transmigration, re-incarnation. (200 A.D. On Souls),

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

@sharrona

"I made a TV stand out of cherry wood", in other words taking existing material it was shaped into a piece of furniture that was not previously in existence. I "brought it into existence" but I did not create the materials from which I formed it.

The scripture you mention: "without him was not any thing made THAT WAS MADE" is very explicit imo. "Any thing that WAS made" suggests to me that there were things that were not made then, but any thing that WAS made it was He who formed it.

In the beginning the "world was without form and void" (Genesis 1:2) but God formed it to be a habitable planet. It was unformed and empty but then God formed (shaped or organized) it into a solid world partly covered by water, and then caused it to be planted out, and then inhabited.

I see your point of view but I have another one; that's all.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Atheism is a religion. Belief in no god is still a religious belief.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

Will people please stop calling atheism a religion! Did some of you even read the article? Religion is a belief in a divine creator, otherworldliness and the supernatural. Atheism is a DISBELIEF in all of this. In atheism there is no divinely-inspired scripture, immortal soul, creating and dictating God or gods, redemption or salvation, Armageddon, final judgment or heaven and hell. A belief in what can be verified empirically is called SCIENCE!

Ranch
Here, UT

@1.96 Standard Deviations & Sharonna;

Fiction then and fiction now; those books are still nothing more than fiction.

badgergirl
Up North, WI

All of the trappings of a Church with none of the blessings. Doesn't sound like much of a religion to me. Sounds like more of a Social Club with tax-exempt status.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@RedWings – “Atheism is a religion. Belief in no god is still a religious belief.”

What a strange comment and a bizarre concept in this article (an atheist church). And I’m pretty sure calling an atheist a religious believer violates the logical law of non-contradiction.

Imagine if our whole society believed in astrology and propagated those believes as a religion (which was the case in ancient times). If a small group of individuals subsequently became skeptical to the point of agnosticism or even full fledged non-belief (e.g., as an atheist is with respect to an anthropomorphic god), would it make any sense to call these non-astrologers religious or believers?

If so, believers in what exactly?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

I firmly believe in God. But in other publications I have seen the Star Trek-like "A" being advanced as a symbol for atheism. It is far superior to the “Atomic A” currently used by the military.

Tyler D,

Of course atheism is not simply the non-belief in an anthropomorphic god but non-belief in any god whatsoever. But, under either definition, I really did not think you were an atheist but rather agnostic or even a believer in God though less so as defined in the Judeo-Christian traditions. Care to enlighten me?

Sharrona,

Do you follow everything Tertullian said? What about his views on women? Or new borns?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Twin Lights - “Care to enlighten me?”

I would say that definition of atheist is the most extreme Richard Dawkins-like definition, but it is the most widely used. I was also trying to make the point that we all know what it is like to be an atheist (non-believer) so it really shouldn’t seem strange.

I assume most everyone on this board is an atheist with respect to Zeus, Odin, Baal, Krishna, Shiva, Ishtar, Osiris, Marduk, etc., etc., etc…

To your last point, yes, I would classify myself as an agnostic who believes there is an unseen order to the Universe and a power behind it far greater and more mysterious than anything we can conceive. And I would even go so far as to say that aligning ourselves with this order likely connects us to our true self (which could be called God or the Holy Spirit).

But I also think 99% of all the stories man has invented about this order are nonsense and are mostly a means for achieving power & control.

I think Emerson comes close though… as obscure as he often is.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

I am not smart enough to explain the nature of the universe to anyone, but I can say with unmatched certainty that anything humanity currently defines as a God is utter fiction.

Lowonoil
Clearfield, UT

@RedWings "Atheism is a religion. Belief in no god is still a religious belief."

Athiesm is a religion just like baldness is a hair color.

I think everyone is missing the point. In our suburbanized auto dependent society everyone moves around in the privacy of their cars and interacts with their glowing rectangles in the privacy of their detached single family suburban homes. Churches and their related activites are the only places left where social interaction occurs any more.
How many of your fellow church members don't believe a word of the underlying theology but put on the suit and show up every Sunday just to continue to be part of the community? Probably a lot more than you think.

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

sharrona-

Christ's prophets and apostles, modern & ancient, have taught clearly regarding our existence before mortality. Here are some examples (not limited to):

D&C 93:29 - "Man was also in the beginning with God. [...]"

D&C 138:56 - "Even before they were born, they, with many others, received their first lessons in the world of spirits and were prepared to come forth in the due time of the Lord to labor in his vineyard for the salvation of the souls of men."

Abraham 3:22-23 - "Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; [...]; And God [...] stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, [...];

Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Revelation 12 - [The war in heaven before Earth was formed]

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

@Lowonil: I agree with your comment about the social aspect of religion for so many. There is little true dosctine and worship (look at the low percentages on home and visiting teaching, etc in many wards).

As to my previous comment about atheism being a religion: God exists in a spiritual plane. Science deals with the physical world. Science is only useful in describing what it can experiment on. One cannot experiment on the spiritual in the true scientific sense.

I do not see religion and science as mutually exclusive for this reason. I see a lot of so-called "scientists" twists themselves in knots and violate their own scientific method and logic to try to prove God does not exist.

Harry Emerson Fosdick is a good one to read on this - much more eloquent than I am.

God's existence cannot be proven in the physical world. If it could, there would be no need for Faith. We have faith or we do not; God gave all of us the freedom to choose, but there is a right and a wrong choice....

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