Utes win as per usual.Bet there is at least one Cougar "fan"
in Tulsa tonight.
Nice win on the road Ute. We have a lot of room for improvement but we showed
some maturity tonight. Welcome to irrelevance once again Cougars.
To the Ute-haters who are always on these boards,Welcome to PAC12
When does the Beehive boot arrive at the Smith Athletics Center?
Congratulations Utes... You deserved this win.
4 in a row, 9 of the last 12, 57-34-4 now! Go Utes!!!See you in 2016
I really thought that the Cougars would win tonight and hate seeing them lose to
Utah, but congrats to the Utes for the win.
So, where's the most important information from this whole
Chris B is looking prophetic.
I dont want to hear this byu outgained Utah stuffUtah yards per
play: 6.2Byu yards per play: 4.5
Cant wait to hear how the better team lost this time...
Good game. Have a nice life byu. Hard to argue with 4-0.
While I agree that the Cougars didn't play a spectacular 4 quarters, I
think you have to chalk this one up for the Pac-12 refs. The fumbled punt
return that wasn't and the blatant no calls when Utah players continuously
went after BYU players after the play was blown dead, often-times ending with
the refs having to separate 2 or more players. I move that we do away with
conference officials and bring them all under the NCAA umbrella.
Utes deserved it. BYU will rebound. Don't think Utah is superior. They both
better pick it up, or there wont be any bowl games to talk about. Go Cougars.
Credit where credit is due... Chris B was right.
Only 18 completions in 48 passes? Here's an idea: Why doesn't BYU hire
a real head coach; someone who can recruit a quarterback with talent.
Hats off to the UTES they played well and deserved to be winners. Good luck
with the rest of your season and beat those Pac12 teams. Sure will miss the
rivalry but you all deserve to be in the Pac12. In the mean time lets go
Cougars and finish this season strong!Go Cougs!
Love the pic of Anthony Denham...says it all!!Go Utes!!
Robert Anae needs to go. Poor play calling in the Blue zone (plus when Byu had
the Ball at the 27) should seal his fate. The guy is just not a good offensive
coordinator. Bringing him back was a HUGE mistake. He wants to run a system at
a University that does not have the athletes to run it. Wake up BYU. He just
doesn't have the skills or experience to run the kind of offense we need.
BYU lost their "Super Bowl" and the "State Championship". What
do the Cougs have to play for now? This loss is going to haunt
Cougar Nation for years to come. Utah has the upper hand in this rivalry!
From this article--"Yet the Cougars outgained the Utes in total
yardage, 443-402."What should have been included within this
utterly misleading statement, would have been to state the fact byu needed to
run 32 more plays than The U did, in order to achieve this utterly
meaningless/irrelevant difference of merely 41 yards.We
owned/controlled this game, literally, from start-to-finish. There is, in fact,
no possible way even remotely to spin it as being anything else, otherwise.
Utah played a great game.When two teams are evenly matched, a few
calls against you, can lose the game.It happened to Utah State,
Wisconsin, and BYU. These were the same refs who loss the game for Wisconsin
last week. All of these teams should have won their PAC 12 games.It
appears the PAC 12 is corrupt, and crooked. These refs should come from a
neutral conferences when playing out of conference teams.
Prayers going out for Jamaal Williams. There has been some positive news
relative to movement of the extremities but last we heard Williams is still in
the ICU. It was a very physical game tonight. A lot of people banged up. BYU had the bye before this game. Utah will need the 12 days to prepare
for UCLA at home and heal up.Going into the hiatus in this rivalry
game is sweet with 4 straight and 9 of the last 12 wins. But for BYU, they need
to credit Utah like Anae did. Bronco and many fans always make excuses about
officiating, and so called fluke turnovers. Utah is the better team. They
dominated both lines of scrimmage and put their corners on an island and unlike
Sean Mannion who is an NFL caliber QB for Oregon State who dropped dimes in
tight coverage, Taysom Hill wasn't good enough in the air and Utah took
away the run.
Great game tonight! Go UTES!!!
Taysom can't throw. Period. Anae can't call plays in the red zone.
Period. Bronco can't prepare his team to play the Utes. Period. BYU has no
conference title to play for. Period. BYU will not play their rivals for two
years. Period. I'm a BYU fan. Period. Why? Question Mark. I don't know
anymore. Period. I've never cared less about the program than I do now.
Four straight wins, shutting out van noy and the seniors, leaving no doubt
headed into the next two years of no rivalry game. In a way it feels like we won
the next two years as well- like we won three games tonight. Hey, just like
last year!GO UTES!
Great win by the Utes! It was fun to be in the stands for this one. And a big
thanks to the BYU fans who were classy after the game. It was much appreciated
and I hope we're able to return the favor the next time you guys come our
way (in a few years).
Classic BYU retorts in the next few days:"We won a National
Championship 30 years ago!""It was a moral victory, we were
good 30 years ago""We had a guy win the Heisman Trophy 30
years ago""30 years ago you were not good" "30 years ago we were WAC champs!""Steve Young kept
his politics to himself 30 years ago!"
Once again Kyle and the defense played their hearts out only to be let down by
terrible QB play and poor offensive production and once again Bronco was
out-coached by Kyle.
oh...and btw, once again Bronco starts out another season with a 1-2 record. (is
that 6 out of his 9 seasons?)
Maybe this is a great time to take a break on this rivalry and remember it is
just a football game and return to sanity. Both sides have let emotions rule and
have lost perspective. With the death this summer of Utah's Gaius Vaenuku
and the apparently serious injury to Jamaal Williams, we have all been forced
into a more subdued, realistic look at what is really important. Maybe we can
all be more happy for each others successes and realize that a win for one team
isn't a loss for the other team. Hopefully both teams will do well for the
next 3 years and will do the state of Utah proud. Great game and good luck to
both teams in the future!
"BYU is definitely the toughest defense we've played so far."A fitting tribute by Utah's quarterback to a tough challenge. BYU
fans should be proud of their team in defeat. Please don't come onto these
boards and say Utah didn't earn the victory, or make excuses. For the past
several years, that's all we've heard. Our team won, but you guys put
up a great fight.Go Utes!!
BYU played horribly inconsistent all night long. Several things doomed the team:
the offensive line couldn't open up the running game and Hill made awful
decisions at QB (again). He had receivers one on one but under threw them so the
defense could easily swat the passes away. The play calling was extremely
predictable in the first half and got slightly better in the second. BYU can
hurry up all they want, but if they are running the same 3 plays that Anae has
run for a bazillion years, it's easy to defend. We haven't
had a great quarterback in I don't know how many years (think of the last
one to beat a legit top 10 team). Is it the QB or the system? I don't think
Taysom would have made it at Stanford completing 33- 38% of his passes.
He's a great athlete but there's not the course correction or
development. And this is with a new set of coaches. I don't
know who we get to run our offense but Anae stinks. I say we stop playing Utah
until we decide how we will beat them. There's no excuse for this.
I did not see the game. I was at my daughter's birthday party. Nobody
looked at the their iPhones for the score. I peeked on the way home and was
surprised to see 20-6 in the 4th quarter.I expected more from the
Cougs, but my BYU-loving son had it right. Taysom can't pass well enough if
Utah can stop the run. I expected BYU to hold Utah to 21 points, but expected 28
from the Cougs. So I was half right.Before we BYU fans start talking
about firing Bronco and Anae, lets get some realism here. This team was a
shambles last year and it will take more than three games to turn around. Taysom
Hill may improve as a passer. Or not. But it is only a game, right?Congratulations to the Utes. Apparently they played better and won the game.
Good for them. I won't wish them well in the PAC12 games ahead, though.
I'm a Husky fan, too. Rain or shine. Go Dawgs.
What no Cougar gloating with the ever so inane "little brother"
comments? I think last night's results dispels any myth that the Utes are
afraid to play BYU...
Hwy, we may lost the game, but we still have the Honor Code and Utah
doesn't! Go cougs!!
From a BYU fan - Good game Utes. You guys were the better team last night. I
think we've seen over the last four years (and something like 9 out of the
last 12) why Utah was invited to the big leagues and BYU had to make a league of
their own. BYU has definitely taken the role of little brother in this matchup.
Looking forward to the 2 year break - too bad it's not more
Football independence (Face it BYU is not Notre Dame), and inept coaching will
continue to plague the Cougs. Going to be a while until BYU is relevant in
college football again. Go Utes, you have shown your stuff, now go win some PAC
Congratulations Utes. You deserve the respect of all of us. I am not afraid to
give credit where credit is due. You truly dominate the Cougars in football in
this era. You played with heart and intensity, yesterday. Most of all, there
was great skill, especially in the coaching staff. Congratulations on a
Great game as usual. I'm proud of my Ute!! Welcome back to irrelevance
for the next two years Cougars.
Pac-12 refs have fun making sure their teams win games.
This article seemed very bias towards BYU. I understand Call is a "BYU"
insider, but it sounded like a fan complaining about calls or no calls than what
actually happened in the game. BYU lost to a better team. Penalties
are a part of the game. Yes, the holds on the return negated a TD return, but
the hold also negated two tacklers on that return. On the long pass play, it was
fortunate that the tackle held because the hit that Hill would certainly have
taken before getting rid of the ball was a turnover waiting to happen.Call it what it is, a win for Utah. BYU didn't lose this game as most BYU
fans claim every year after losing to Utah, Utah won this. Until Hill can
complete 50% of his passes, the ceiling on this BYU team is 6 wins. As for Utah, the road gets extremely difficult from here. They will need to
find a win in one of the next two games to get to 6.Go
Ute's.... Another great rivalry game last night.
4 in a row! Y seniors never taste victory over the Utes! How sweet it is!!!!!
18 of 48 passing for Hill? Wow. That is really bad.
Once again Utah has a "perfect" season. All the other games
matter not. But the annual trouncing of the enemy from the south makes the
season, makes the year and puts joy in the hearts of millions.Well done
4th down and less than a yard and BYU punts when they are behind. Really. Utah
then scores a TD. Third and goal and BYU settles for a field goal. I believe
BYU was in the red zone four times and settled for two field goals. Turned KSL
off and went to bed before the final score. Utah did not win, BYU lost the game
on poor decision making by the coaching staff. Whatever happened to risk
taking. Go for it on 4th down. Fake a punt of field goal when the game is on
the line. Bring some excitement back to the game.
Horrible play calling.Hill really needs to be given more insight on
reading the defense.
Bronco does not think passing ability is important in a quarterback. This
season will be just like last year and the year before. We've seen his
The loss "is huge" as well. It's time for Bronco to step down!
Congrats to the U on their adding to the recent win run and good luck in your
conference. What is encouraging to this cougar fan is the fact that
so many of the recent games came down to a single score or were decided on last
plays. That means we're right up there and can hold our own, just not
quite there. If BYU can find a passing game again, they'll be alright;
if not, it's going to be a long, sad year.
Loved the outcome. Whit, Erickson and Sitakie had a great game plan. BYU
played extremely hard. Their defense is superb. I sincerely hope that Jamaal
Wiiliams recovers fully from his injury.
Game Summary: The Utes have the better coaching staff. The Utes have the
better QB. The Utes are an Average Team. The Cougars showed that they are
Below Average. This is discomforting to any Loyal Cougar Fan, including Van Noy
and Hoffman, especially after all the hype that we hear about BYU every day in
the Deseret News! This (BYU) team is not well-coached and are not disciplined.
One concerning event in the game was seeing our QB take Apo to task for
apparently not turning around quick enough to receive a pass that was in the
ground 10' behind him. The irony was that in the balance of that series
(and many other series)the thrown balls by that QB were no were near the
receivers. This guy needs some help with technique. 18-48? Even if we give
him 4 more receptions for dropped balls, 22-48 in no where near acceptable, or
will win games. We cannot have a 10-win season with 4-win coaches and a 5-win
Yep, Worf,Just like the government you moan about the rest of the week on
the DN forums. Life just isn't fair! LOL
Life long BYU fan here...congrats to the Utes (I just threw up...lol)
utes have two players of the game. the stout defense. they looked good and came
to play as well as the pac 12 refs. how these guys still have jobs with their
performance over the last two weeks is beyond me. (same crew who blew the ASU
vs. Wisconsin game) give the utes credit. but come on pac 12 refs you looked
like a 1a high school crew. utterly pathetic.
Worfs theory of football:Utes will not do well in PAC 12 play. Not
because of lesser talent, but because the winners have been chosen.--Figure the
This pretty much sums up the direction that each program is headingUpcoming Games:BYU "Football"MIDDLE TENNESSEE @
BYUUtah FootballUCLA @ UTAH
Very frustrating game, Utah deserved to win, there isn't a lot of
difference between the two teams, Utah was the better team last night, the
better team doesn't always win but last night Utah showed to be the better
team. Until BYU can get a QB that can pass the ball with some kind of
consistency and effectiveness they will continue to struggle and lose close
games like this one. I like Hill but at this point in his career he's not
very good. Wilson is showing he can be pretty good maybe even special. I sure
hope Williams isn't hurt too bad, looks like this will be a long
frustrating season, this is probably how it will feel all season long with the
Jazz as well good talent, close games but a lot of loses.
Whoopy!, Absolutely meaningless! The BYU Cougars are overly generous
in their sympathy towards 7-8 Utah! Where much is given much is expected in
return.Hey "Senior" UTES, there is more to football then
beating BYU, go out their and do something really meaningful like winning a
conference championship. Wake me up when you come close! Hopefully I won't
be dozing too long.
It's unbelieveable how there has been no mention about how poor the PAC12
refs called the game. We want our 3 touchdowns back. Then we'll talk!
The taste of crow is getting old. Good game Utes. You were right Chris B. Now
I have to go wash my mouth out with paint thinner!
The No. 1 problem with BYU is many of their fans. Bronco is a good coach and
their QB has plenty of talent. The probelm for BYU was that their QB was
constantly under pressure. OSU beat us because their quarterback rarely took a
hit. It is not a coaching problem, BYU simply got out played - though they kept
it close. The worst part about football is the fan who aways thinks they know
better than the coach with a winning record. I watched the game at a local
restaurant with an obnoxious U fan who had to let us all know how stupid he
thought Whittingham was. From the look of the guy, he had probably never
played. It reminded me of when many BYU fans were calling for Lavell's
head when he had an off season. BYU and Utah are fortunate to have great
coaches and solid programs. Those of us who bleed red will appreciate that for
the current run our young men have played just a little bit better.
Until BYU replaces Bronco, (hopefully keep him on as defensive coordinator.)
BYU football has settled for mediocracy.Bronco is just not a "Head
Coach" plain & simple, if .500 or barely above, is all BYU wants, kindly
disregard this comment.
Congratulations Utah well played game. Hopefully BYU will not over react. We
have already had 3 different offensive coordinators in 6 years. I liked what I
saw with BYU's offensive scheme. There were open receivers at key points
all night long they were just missed or dropped the ball.We well
have tougher games ahead. On the read against Utah State, Wisconsin, and Notre
Dame. Plenty of opportunity to redeem ourselves. Execution will improve. Bronco
has said that no one at any position is entitled. I look forward to
the remainder of the season.Go Cougars
Good win, where's ducks, Rockwell, down under and cougfanintexas? They had
a lot to say going into the game. Funny how that works
Dennis- A win over byu is sweet, and a loss is bitter, but Utah nees pac12 wins
so much more now.NeilT-This is why byu fans are so annoying,
you simply cannot admit that Utah beat your team. We win four in a row, nine in
the last twelve, and yet you still say we did not beat you, that it was the refs
fault or byu giving us the game. Give me a break. Utah is mentally tougher than
byu and gets in their heads easily and byu has not been able to respond or
overcome that. We sacked your QB five times to your getting ours once. We
completed passes, byu clearly struggles in the passing game, so Utah played
accordingly and limited byu's effectiveness on the ground. Byu is a tough
team, it is always a dog fight and can go either way, but Utah has been better
recently. Why is it so hard for you to admit that and not make excuses? Bronco
makes them all the time and never gives Utah credit, which is embarrassing. At
least Anae has the ability to admit when he is outplayed and loses to a good
To all the complaints about the refs losing it for you, they made some good no
calls, such as the nearly muffed punt, which was clearly never touched, and some
bad calls for both sides. Utah had a big call taken away from us, that PI that
was said to be tipped before the penalty, but it clearly was not. Oh well, that
happens. Despite some bad calls, the best team will prevail and win. We came out
the gate and scored, and despite some weaknesses and mistakes, Utah put a great
game plan together and took away the run and made Hill throw. Utah tried to
exploit the weaknesses, it is what good coaches and teams do, just like byu did
to Texas. Try to take the win away as much as you want, but we clearly played
better and won.Go Utes! Go Aggies! and for Hill's sake, I hope
he gets better in the passing game, and I hope Williams is okay.Sorry for the rants, first time commenter, long time reader. I just an tired
of not getting the credit we deserve, when aside from a few pinheads, Utah gives
it too, and respects byu.
I was feeling bad for the Cougars last night, but not because they lost:
I'm a Ute, so I was happy to win again. No--I was seeing Cougars playing
their hearts out, down and nearly out, in desperate need for their head coach to
lift their energies, their spirits, their hopes. What did they get? Bronco, walking the sidelines like he was barely awake. Meanwhile, he insists
on doing that ready, set, go thing when the offense comes in that even
high-schoolers would think is little league at best and insulting, distracting
at worst. The players looked like they had about as much enthusiasm for it down
the stretch as, well, Bronco shows generally through every game.Bronco has been a very good coach; he hasn't shown great yet. Great would
be breaking into BCS bowls and winning them. Repeatedly. As Kyle has. And maybe
getting invited into a premier conference. I genuinely wish you well during
this stupid two-year playing hiatus Cougars, but the odds are that you'll
be very good at best. Not great. If Bronco doesn't soon show great,
you'll need to ask whether very good is good enough.
A few points:- BYU fans, Utah won this game. Spare us the "we
beat ourselves" rhetoric. You were beaten by a superior team.- The
refs did not lose you this game. Every controversial call was substantiated on
TV by replay. It was a well-called game.- This is how BYU starts seasons
now: 1-2 and fans calling for Bronco and the QB's heads.- This season
will end how all BYU seasons end now: You'll run the table against the
WAC's bottom dwellers, go to a forgotten bowl game, and in January
you'll proclaim Bronco the greatest coach in football and your QB a Heisman
candidate. Until next September arrives and we do this all over again.
Congrats to the utes. It is obvious at this point that they are into BYU's
head and have a mental edge. It will be a long two years.
Cougar fans fail to realize for every penalty you got the UTES got one too! We
handed you a touchdown on a silver platter! with a penalty against the UTES ! I
have never heard Coach Whit trash the refs but Bronco did last night! Making
excuses for yourteam does not make them better! Thank goodness Coach Whit knows
his team and takes full responsibility for their mistakes and you don't see
those mistakes in the next game! Just say'n
Congratulations ute fans... Your team played better than I thought they were
capable of playing last night and BYU played much worse (which is surprising
based on our week off for preperation)...I thought that both Anae
and Hill would be better prepared, but it could be they simply don't have
the skills or the abilities to compete effectively at this level... Utah's
OCs and Utah's QB were clearly better...BYU sorely missed
Hadley's defense on short passes over the Center, and Williams running
ability in the 4th quarter (haven't heard how Williams is doing but I hope
that he is alright)...Hill needs to learn how to hit a receiver with
touch passes... Seems like the only pass he can throw is a bullet... And outside
of Kauffman the Coug Recievers looked horrible.I don't
personally like anything about utah (the school, the players, the coaches and
especially the personality of the fan base), but they clearly deserved to win
last night and the apparent truth is that KW is a far better coach with his team
than BM is with his.So crow it is for 3 more years.
Go Utes! 4-0, and counting! Thanks for ensuring that the next three years
especially will be sweet! Because no matter what, my Utes have dominated this
era in the rivalry, and my "testimony about Y football" bearing
co-workers, managers, etc., will not have a leg to stand on! I've never
been more proud to don Ute Crimson Red! Go Travis Wilson! Go Coach Whit!GO UTES!!!
The irony is that Utah will struggle to get six wins (I almost see another 5-7
situation) and BYU should eek into some lower tier bowl.
Utah has clearly been the better team of the decade. Maybe two years off will
change things for BYU.
Rockarolla, west Jordan, Your are absolutely right!!!!!! Worst offensive
coordinator in college football. How can you run Williams right up the middle
as offend has Anae did. Pass patterns are terrible. With all the college
football being played around the country and all the great passing teams, it
would seem like Anae could design an pass offensive that looks like a college
level team. I know that Hill is not a great passer, but I don't blame him.
The routes that BYU runs and the play calling is very, very poor. Also, on
special teams, especially when we are about to receive a punt. Late in the game
we put pressure on the kicker like we wanted to block the kick. Why didn't
we man up on every offensive Utah player and try and keep them from getting down
field so that our return guy might get a better chance to field the ball and get
a good return. Anae was terrible when he was here before. Why did they bring
I just love looking at previous posts. On July 12th, Duckhunter wrote the
following:And it isn't just utah's schedule that is going
to prevent it, it is that they simply are not going to be very good.
They'll probably lose to both usu and BYU and will probably lose to very
pac12 team other than colorado and maybe washington st. a 3 win season for them
is a real possiblity. Well the Utes already have 3 wins and beat
both USU and BYU. Might be time to admit your very biased prediction was wrong.
@trueblue -Your comments about the refs simply degrade the
knowledgeable BYU fans that accept they were beat by a better team. There was
no fumble on the punt, he never touched the ball and even the announcers agreed.
The continued scuffles after the whistle were as much from the Y players
(especially the freshman OL man) as from the U players. The hold on Van Noy in
the 4th Quarter was a great acting job on his part and the taunting penalty on
Rowe was questionable at best.Why don't you just man up and
admit what all the rest of us saw? Utah was never behind at any point in the
game and deserved the win.
Once again I pass Deseret News a comment and then . . . nothing . . . nothing.
How long does it take DN? Last week after passing you a comment, it took you
about three days after "approving" for me to see the post show up. I posted a comment to this article at least an hour ago. I got your
"approval" message. Then. Nothing. Helloooooo DN . . .
My question as with all pac 12 games is do they use nfl replacement refs? Not
just this game look at any game involving pac 12 football teams. Utah deserved
to win that game! With all the outstanding high school quarterbacks just in
Utah can't BYU get one that can pass? Chuck Keeton looked ridiculous
yesterday as well.
duck,Admit it. It's a coaching and an athletic edge.Go Utes...PAC12.
Kyle Van Noy wanted to win so bad! But one guy can't win for a team. The
Utes as a team had more heart then BYU. And Utes are better coached!
Utah wins again...Here's my take. After watching first four games for Utah
in person, BYU is the second slowest team Utah has played. Weber was slower but
not by much. Utah State's D was better than BYU's and BYU's run
game was better than USU's. BYU will never, I repeat NEVER get true speed
or talent across the board unless they join a big time conference. They will
continue to have one or two good (not great or elite)players. Utah will
continue to dominate them. BYU please try and join any conference so this can be
a rivalry again. And for all you cougar fans blaming the refs, you were given a
taunting penalty (which is never called) and three chances to win last year and
you still lost. So give the whole ref conspiracy thing a break.
@worfI agree with you, the refereeing was horrible. After this
crew's horrible outing last week in favor of the PAC12, they bent over
backwards to help out the non-PAC12 team. The unsportsmanlike against Rowe was
weak. Failure to call offensive PI on the last play of the game was
inexcusable. Missed at least one PI against KVN. Multiple holding calls against
BYU went uncalled.
@fowersjlReally? You mean like the blown PI call that was
overruled. And the offensive PI call on the last play of the game. Or how
Trevor Reilly was held all game long? The missed PI on KVN? The phantom
unsportsmanlike on Rowe?
@trueblue87While I agree that the Cougars didn't play a
spectacular 4 quarters, I think you have to chalk this one up for the Pac-12
refs.---------Of course "you" do, it's how
Cougar Nation faces reality each season. After all if it wasn't for the
refs you would be 3-0 right now. Oops, forgot it was rain that cost
you the Virgina game.
Utah deserved the win and congratulations. Two things seemed obvious to me,
Utah had the better coaching- exploited every one of BYUs weaknesses: bad O line
and weak secondary. The other, Hill should be a receiver or running back, not
QB, in the BYU system. Any closeness of ball to receivers was purely
coincidental- everything behind, over or under thrown.
@DuckhunterCongrats to the utes. It is obvious at this point that
they are into BYU's head and have a mental edge.----------Mental edge? No. What Utah has is the talent, coaching, scoreboard
edge. Like I've said Utah can compete against teams like Wazzu
and BYU, we need to build depth in order to compete with rest of the PAC-12.1-2 ... Welcome to a real schedule. Don't worry, BYU still has 5
build in wins so you should make your 3rd tier bowl game.
@CO UteThe continued scuffles after the whistle were as much from the Y
players (especially the freshman OL man) as from the U players. The hold on Van
Noy in the 4th Quarter was a great acting job on his part and the taunting
penalty on Rowe was questionable at best.-----------The
BYU freshman was having "buyers remorse" after ripping Utah's offer
letter on YouTube.Flop Van Noy lost his Super Bowl.Rowe
deserved the penalty. He should have been ripped by Kyle on the sidelines, he
nearly cost us the game. Similar discipline issues cost us big against Oregon
State with Orchard. That being said, those are two of our best players.
Hopefully they've learned from their mistakes.
Utah clearly came into this with the better gameplan, executed it in the first
half, and BYU was not able to fix enough in the second half. I'll stick
with my belief that the three Utah schools are pretty similar in skill to each
The Bleak: Read my post again. I never blamed the refs. I said BYU should
have gone for it on 4th and less than a yard. I also said BYU had numerous
opportunity to score in the red zone and failed miserably. 3rd and goal. That
is four chances to make three yards and they settled for a field goal. Pathetic
So the Utes "won Utah." Cool that. The question is with a
defense that gave up 443 yards and going in was ranked dead last in the COUNTRY
in red zone defense, when are they going to show that the school that beat the
Crimson Tide in the Sugar Bowl (and helped secure their new conference invite)
actually belongs in the Pac 12 as a contender? After failing to win
their first conference game (yet), not starting 0-2 in league play would be a
Here is the truth. Since Max Hall left BYU has not had a QB. It's rather
simple. The recruitment of Jake Heaps turned out to be the single most damaging
thing to happen to Bronco's coaching career. He built his offense around a
17 year old kid who in the end turned out to be a dud. I don't blame Bronco
for Heaps failures, he landed a prize recruit who flopped. (Watch his games at
Kansas to be reaffirmed how soft he is.) That single move sent the
program spiraling to where it has landed. Heaps was so bad that Bronco was
forced to use Riley Nelson, something he never imagined he would have to do,
because he thought he had a true QB in Heaps. Nelson was not a DI starter. Then
Taysom arrives, not a true BYU recruit, a Stanford transfer. I would imagine
Hill was brought in by Brandon Doman, who loved Hill's running game. But as
we have seen for two years now, that's all Hill has. He's not a DI QB
either.It happens. John Walsh anybody? Until the Y recruits another
DI QB we will flounder.
Props to the byu fans that are congratulating Utah.To you that are
in denial...blaming the refs, "we beat ourselves", mental edge, etc., at
least you're not hiding. lol.
re: 54-10 12:32 a.m. Sept. 2 thoughts...1) They
don't have the espn family of networks in Tulsa?2) byu fans exist
everywhere. I'm told they have a universal fan base.
to md pg 3Actually, Taysom hit 3 of every 8 which is a step up from
1 of every 3.
@duckhunter" It is obvious at this point that they are into
BYU's head and have a mental edge.As usual I enjoy your
comments. Your observation was the way I saw the game also. The Utes did have
"a mental edge"; however, I thought there could possibly have been one
or two or.... other areas where the Utes had an edge. Our season
begins with 8 conference games including 5 currently ranked teams + 1 previously
ranked + 1 that knocked the team out. Tough waters ahead!I would
suspect the Y will end the season with a better record than the U; perhaps one
will go bowling and one might not. Obviously then the Y is the superior
team.Good luck with Middle Tennessee State.
Losing to OSU will hurt the Utes more than the win against BYU will help them.
Utah plays their best against BYU. They have for 20 years. If the Utes could
play everyone like they play BYU they would pick up another 2-4 wins per year.
Utah has the coaching and psychological advantage in this "rivalry".
These are close games which are one maybe two plays apart. Utah, to their
credit, seems to be able to more consistently hold par on their opportunities.
BYU, when given the opportunity, just bogeys their opportunities. As a Coug
fan, I am very disappointed at the lost opportunities. If I was a Ute fan (hard
for me to imagine), I would be very very angry that we can play so well against
BYU and then lose to teams like OSU, Colorado. The inconsistency would be
frusterating. But I get to deal with my own frusteration of a team that
can't seem to hold par with Utah. We all have our frusterations I
guess...good game. It must feel good to have so many years of success against a
@NeilTNo what you said was more pathetic than blaming the refs."Utah did not win, BYU lost the game on poor decision making by the
coaching staff."Utah did win by being a better team and
executing a better game plan. Accept reality.
Strange:Wisconsin, Utah State, BYU, had more penalties playing PAC
12 teams than against non-PAC 12 teams combined.Utah State had a
bunch of fifteen yard penalties with Utah, and USC,--than compare to Air Force,
& Weber.Wisconsin, and BYU also had more penalties than combined
non- PAC 12 teams played. They both had the same refs.Than
there's the pass interference no calls.Are politics spreading
it's influence into sports?
Bronco needs to go. Under his leadership the football program is rapidly
becominga punch line. This is yet another big game he failed to prepare
his team for.
worfMcallen, TXWorfs theory of football:-------------Blame it on the rain..Blame it on the
"trick plays"...Blame it on the "15 yard
penalties"...Blame it on the alum on the "corrupt PAC-12
officials"...Otherwise, BYU is now 7 plays from 15-0.
@uteologyI'll give you the coaching edge although I think it is
slight, but my belief is it is a mental edge and as a coach I think the mental
edge is the single biggest factor in these types of games. utah appears to go
into them believing they will win, BYU appears to hope they will win, and that
is a huge edge for utah. I've seen this many times, the team that knows
they will win usually does while the team that hopes to win only occasionally
does. At this point in time utah has that edge and I wish it was BYU that has
it. The talent is close, utah didn't come anywhere close to dominating that
game, to the contrary they were pretty deficient in a lot of areas, but they
made plays when they needed to make them because they were mentally stronger and
that was the difference. I give them all the credit. You
may think it is other factors and that is fine but why not accept my
congratulations and my acknowledgement of what I believe makes utah superior
with a sincere thank you?
The article claims BYU lost because of mistakes, then it lists 3-4 big penalties
on BYU. Not a single penalty that cost Utah was mentioned. For
example, nothing was said about:* The alum in the replay booth
overturning the pass interference penalty on BYU to a "tip ball". ESPN
announcers were in "shock and awe" on that call.* The flop
by KVN that cost Utah a first down late in the 4th, resulting in a Utah punt.
ESPN announcers awarded him an Emmy for that play.* The huge penalty
that Rowe deserved for taunting, resulting in BYU's only TD of the game.So 2 huge bad calls against Utah and one huge mistake by Rowe, but the
only thing the author cares to mention is the mistakes by BYU.
Go ahead Utes and gloat yourselves til your next loss like the one with Oregon.
One can't help but to wonder about BYUs loss and the "set up" of
the YouTube piece and Spencer Hadley's partying with the Red Team. What a coincidence? Yeah right.
If cougar fans aren't allowed to kvetch about the poor PAC officiating
(which were mostly penalties that should have been called but weren't),
then the Utes from here on out aren't allowed to whine either, when their
corrupt officiating bites you while playing the darlings of your conference.
You haven't figured that out yet? You're new to town, so maybe you
haven't been paying attention. That's how your conference rolls.
Have fun in the cellar. It's why you were brought in.
Utah had the better game plan. Dres Anderson played lights out. Taysom Hill was
not ready for prime time. BYU's loss diminishes the superb job done by the
Cougars defense.The refs were awful, learning that they called the ASU vs
Wisconsin game is perplexing. Utah was able to play with reckless abandon
knowing this group wouldn't call anything. Cody Hoffman was clearly hurting
and not having Spencer Hadley really hurt pass defense. Watching the game was
hard because Bronco Mendenhall and Robert Anaie got outcoached big time. Family
from Seattle made the trip to see BYU win but unfortunately it didn't
"Once again Utah has a "perfect" season. All the other games
matter not. But the annual trouncing of the enemy from the south makes the
season, makes the year and puts joy in the hearts of millions."Typical byu fan drivel.....The Oregon State game was huge, the
UCLA game is gigantic. @ USC and @ Zona, home vs ASU are all huge games as well.
There are about 4 or 5 games on the schedule I would trade a our win over byu
PendergastSalt Lake City, UTWhen does the Beehive boot arrive at the
Smith Athletics Center?________The boot must be cleaned
out first. The Cougars had a pre-game party, expecting to win, and filled it
with green jello.
The difference in this game was coaching and preparation. Utah was prepared for
BYU's defensive line pressure and blitz packages. Did you notice all the
quick hitters that were called to negate an aggressive pass rush. And, instead
of leaving an undersized back to pick up the blitz, Utah just floated him to the
flat to provide a safety outlet when Travis was feeling the heat. On the other
side, Utah flat out said they would be all in to stop the run. Other than
Taysom's one long run, they accomplished that. With receivers dropping
passes and Taysom's accuracy problems, BYU's passing offense became
longer routes downfield where Taysom could just throw it to an area and hope his
taller receivers could make plays (Hoffman is a stud by the way). But the longer
patterns took more time to develop, enabling Utah to pressure Taysom or sack
him. A bye week to come up with that passing scheme was not impressive. Coming
off a heartbreaking OT loss to OSU and coming up with an effective game plan on
both sides of the ball was very impressive. Just an observation.
Jeez, I've been remembering some of the posts by Y "fans" after we
lost against Oregon ST. last week. I remember them saying how bad we were losing
to a team that lost to Eastern Washington. Well, as I see it, if we are that
bad, what are you? You just lost to a team, that lost to a team, that lost to
EW. So you are below what you were laughing at and mocking. That has to hurt. It
just has to.
Last night I was convinced that Tim Tebow had converted to Mormonism and
throwing right-handed while shedding some muscle/weight. Taysom Hill
wasn't even close on many of his throws, while others were off just-enough
to result in incompletions. When Tebow was a pro his receivers would shake
their heads in disbelief as pass after pass sailed high or wide, and BYU
receivers had the same reaction last night. The last pass of the game said it
all - BYU doesn't have a chance if this guy is throwing it.
WA Alum&dad- Actually, there were a few calls against Oregon St. that bit us
pretty hard. But, we didn't execute the plays necessary to win. Bad calls
go both ways. If you do what you need to do, and execute your game plan,
you'll have enough on the board to override the bad calls. If not, then
when you get a bad call, it bites harder. I know they will come, we just have to
have more points on the board so they don't matter. Just like last night.
We had calls go against us too, but we executed better than the Y to that point,
so it didn't hurt us as bad.
Blame the refs again? Please BYU fans, find something else on your playbook of
blaming.It's to the point now where you over speculate and invent
reasons to blame the refs.
after 4 wins in a row you really have to start the conversation that the U
program is simply better than the Y program. Better athletes - better coaches -
better top to bottom. From the 70's through perhaps 2005 the Y program was
simply better top to bottom than the U. Urban Myer changed all that and
Whitingham has continued to build on that dominance. The U is a PAC12 program
and has won two BCS bowl games - these are heights that the Y has never seen and
probably never will. I am certain that it is more important for the U to defeat
the Oregon States, Arizona and Arizona States etc.. than defeat the Y anymore
but the in state tradition still means something although not as much as it used
to. BYU isn't a bad program - just not a good program and certainly not a
major college football presence anymore. There was a time when the Y had loads
of NFL players drafted ...but no more. The U gets more into the NFL than the Y
and for good reason - the program is simply better. Now for U - add about 10000
seats to your stadium.
"Good luck going 7-8 Utes"I would rather cheer for a team
that plays a Pac 12 schedule, take lumps, keep fighting and improve than to
cheer for a team that lives in the past, play 2 tough games a season and then
lives off a weak WAC schedule and thump their chest over how inflatedly good
they are after it.Utah will continue to get better recruits while
BYU will live in the 30 year old past like Uncle Rico.
one thing for sure, Utes have the trash talk gold medal. But then I don't
remember what it is like to be able to gloat.
Great win by the Utes. Hope Williams recovers soon. Not having him down the
stretch was big. Lesson of the night, No matter how talented you are, don't
play quarterback at BYU. Once again, the offensive line could not protect the
quarterback (5 sacks) on their home field. Once again, Anae was unable to make
the in game adjustments to keep his team moving. Once again, BYU fans are
blaming a quarterback who was not given an opportunity to win by his coaches.
Kudos to Cougar fans that AREN'T blaming the loss on refs. After seeing the
video of the fans in the stands throwing trash at the refs I think it's
time for some fans to grow up, including the guy who sent the video to the Utah
Props to the Utes. No excuses. BYU had a lot of penalties, but more chances
than they did penalties. 0 points in the first half. Are you kidding? They
are the better team and have dominated the last decade. Even when you take away
the Crowton years, the Utes have still 6-3 advantage. I think the Utah coaches
have always had a better game plan too. Coug fans have to eat this one for 3
years. Better luck in 2016.
The one and only Honest and True analysis:The ONLY thing this game
showed is that both teams are mediocre D1 teams.And statistically
speaking (other than pass completion percentage) they are very very similar.If BYU is so bad and Utah is so supposedly superior then Utah has
NOTHING to crow about by barely beating them in a low scoring game, and will in
all likelihood be still sitting home for the holidays.If not for so
many mistakes BYU easily could have walked away with win.And what
has happened to BYU's passing game? They haven't had a confident
passing game since the mid '90s. If not for having a few excellent
offensive players in mid 2000s every one should have noticed by now.
@ poyman re: I don't personally like anything about utah (the school, the
players, the coaches and especially the personality of the fan base), I don't know your religion but if you are a member of the LDS church,
your comments certainly don't reflect the basic Mormon doctrine. I suggest
you take a minute and look at Matthew 5:44 before your next post.
I understand refs making mistakes, and they did make some last night hurting
both teams, but I still can't for the life of me figure out the overturned
pass interference call. It's one thing to miss a call during live action,
but a replay? Despite showing indisputable visual evidence that the ball was NOT
tipped, the replay official ruled that there was indisputable visual evidence
that it was. It all seems eerily familiar to the BYU/SDSU debacle of a few years
BYU put a good game together. Unfortunately it wasn't enough for a focused
Utah team. The reality of the situation however, is that Utah doesn't have
enough focus to rise above 5th in the PAC12
Jazzsmack, so what you're saying is that if BYU played a perfect game, and
Utah still made all of the mistakes that they made, BYU would have won? Wow!
Expert analysis if I've ever seen it, and not at all biased.
RE Thriller "Despite showing indisputable visual evidence that the ball was
NOT tipped, the replay official ruled that there was indisputable visual
evidence that it was."It's funny that the win against BYU
wasn't enough for Ute fans. They still want to make excuses that the margin
wasn't bigger. The replay I saw showed indisputable evidence that the ball
WAS tipped... watch it again without the red blinders, you'll see what the
rest of the world (and the refs) saw.Enjoy your win!
Great game UTES! Watching on East coast time is a killer. Well worth it. Can
anyone find a college football coach less passionless about the game than
Bronco? That just ticks me off and I am a Utah fan. Can only imagine how
Cougar fans feel about it. BYU football would be sooner discontinued than
Bronco getting fired. He certainly warrants it. My condolences all around.
This might be worse than the Crowton era.
Uteology:This is an observation after watching several other games.
No sour grapes here.If I'm right, Utah is in trouble. I
don't think the conference would allow them to surpass the west coast
teams. Observe the refs closely, because their corrupt play calling is well
disguised, and not easily detected.IMO! Wisconsin, Utah State, and
BYU would have been winners.--And yes, PAC teams will get some penalties. Going
all to one team is too obvious.
worf,Is it just the PAC12, or are you going to use the same excuse
when you play Wisconsin? ND?You're going to lose at least one game to
either USU, BS or Nevada. What if you happen to lose to Middle Tennessee
or Idaho State? Maybe byu should hire the officials from UHSAA
Region 8 to ref their games. Geez.
One team came prepared to play. The other team had two weeks to prepare, but
didn't. I don't know how BYU's coaches do it, but
they manage to prepare the team to play like geniuses one week (against Texas),
then completely clueless and inept the other two (against Virginia and Utah).
BYU does not execute at a higher level.
BYU fan, you act like you are too good for the Pac 12 but you know deep down in
your heart it aches due to not being part of a real BCS conference. You feel
like you belong and this whole Independence thing is unfulfilling as hard as you
try to love it. You know it bothers you to no end and more salt in the wound
that your rival, no better, not only made it into a big boy BCS conference but
beat you 4 years in a row including a 54-10 beat down that abused 2 of your
worf's philosophy of football (and life); "It's all a
CincinnatusKearns, UTworf's philosophy of football (and life);
"It's all a conspiracy."______LOL! And Alex
Jones & Jessie Ventura must be BYU fans!!!The game was was a setup and
Common knowledge (ironic),you're insecurity is showing and it isn't
pretty. I'm not making excuses for anything, I'm just trying to
understand how the replay official could've made such a colossal error the
likes of which I haven't seen since the SDSU game a few years ago which, if
you'll recall, caused quite a bit of backlash.I'm watching
the replay right now, in slow motion, and there is absolutely no deflection
until downfield after the pass interference had been committed. There is at
least a foot of air between the ball and the D lineman's hand at all
points.And who exactly is the "rest of the world?" You? BYU
fans? Because the ESPN announcers said "Wow! Where was that?" in
response to the ruling after spending the entire replay talking about how it was
"not tipped at the line of scrimmage" and the call would surely be
upheld. Try watching it without the welder's mask on; you're glasses
aren't even blue tinted, they're opaque.
I was a cougar fan. It is too painful to have them loose to Utah the past
several years. I don't need the pain so I took them off my schedule for the
rest of the season -- it's just not worth watching bad football like I saw
in that game.
Unfortunately, but seriously, BYU is looking at a 4and 8 record this year, maybe
5 and 7. I do not understand their arrogance. Utes got into a new conference,
were admittedly over their heads for a season or two, but now seem to be
stepping it up. BYU is living in the past. Bronco is a great guy, but can he
lead a program to relevance.....don't think so. Cougs are going to slide
into the same slot as Idaho and New Mexico State if they don't turn the
wreck around. BYU is not Notre Dame, their not even Boise State, their
administration needs to wake up and realize their once vaunted football team is
@worfI agree that pass interference no call against KVN was
#Its Common Knowledge - I guess my HD is out of whack, because the ball left the
qb's hand with the same trajectory and wobble that it had when the BYU
player touched it, which was CLEARLY AFTER the interference and downfield. It
helps when you look at something more than a 19" screen. The Ute fans
aren't complaining, merely making a statement of fact. Calls and non-calls
went both ways, and it is ludicrous to think that the refs won this game for the
Utes, as many comments suggest.
After watching this game I felt that both teams need to improve especially
offense, but still a win is always good, so good job utes. I just wished that my
red RSL team should have won the blue team.
Another tough loss, Utah just seems to have BYUs number right now and for some
reason BYU seems to play so uptight when they play Utah. BYUs defense once again
did their job but the offense sputtered and failed to finish drives. Key stat in
the game...BYU 5 trips inside the blue zone and only 13 points to show for it.I
hope BYU bounces back and I would absolutely welcome another shot at Utah in a
bowl game since utah has decided they don't want to schedule BYU for the
next two years.
Thanks Duckhunter. I hope the rivalry is back in 2016 better than ever!
Middle of the RoadHome Town USA, UTGo ahead Utes and gloat
yourselves til your next loss like the one with Oregon. One can't help but
to wonder about BYUs loss and the "set up" of the YouTube piece and
Spencer Hadley's partying with the Red Team. What a
coincidence? Yeah right._______One can't help but
wonder about some BYU fans obsession with conspiracies.That's a
I can see that Independence has really enhanced the level of excuses the fans of
BYU can come up with.
@JazzsmackAnd statistically speaking (other than pass completion
percentage) they are very very similar.If BYU is so bad and Utah is
so supposedly superior then Utah has NOTHING to crow about by barely beating
them in a low scoring game, and will in all likelihood be still sitting home for
the holidays.If not for so many mistakes BYU easily could have
walked away with win.----------Statistically
speaking:* Utah's offense is ranked in the top 20 overall.* BYU's offense has a top 20 rushing offense thanks to the outlier
game against Texas. Overall BYU has one of the worst offenses in the nation.
If not for so many mistakes, Utah easily could have walked away with
a 20+ point win. Remember BYU's only TD came because of a penalty on
Rowe.Seriously though, BYU's defense was pretty good. The
reason the game remained close was because of BYU's defense.
Always a Y fan, but Utah was the better team last night. As BYU fans we should
make no excuses, they just beat us, again!!! Hopefully we can pick ourselves up
and win out the rest of the season. One win or loss does not make a season.
Yes, I wanted to beat the U but they just out played us, so move forward an
finish strong. The U will end up where they belong at the end of the season,
hopefully for them it will be good. But our concern is us finishing where we
need to at least get a better bowl. There are some strong teams that can help
us with wins in our columns.
@Dave S"Nice win on the road Ute"Yeah right. That was
a home game for Utah complete with their home town refs.
Hahaha! Good thing I jumped fan ships from the Y to the U just in time to enjoy
this win!(You know, they say "fake it 'til ya make it,"
folks. Fake it 'til ya make it! :-S ...)Mike A. Christensen
Oh, and by the way, I wore clothes for both universities (strong red U T-shirt,
dark-blue Y hat, strong-medium-blue outer shirt, unbuttoned) around a lot of
people that day just in case of an outcome like this (and as a joke, too)!Mike
The refs aren't the cause for BYU's loss. It was the Ute D stuffing
the run, forcing Hill to complete his passes to receivers with slippery hands.
I can only think of one play where a BYU running back gained more than 5 yards
on a carry and only a couple big scrambles by Hill, but no big chunks of yardage
from the read option. I don't care how many times you rerun the punt that
was "muffed", you will never see the ball touch the return man. Your
team got beat because the other team was better. Deal with it.
unacceptable! I don't care if BYU wins all of their remaining games. All I
ask is that they win one and they haven't done in 4 straight years.
Someone's head needs to roll. Taysom is a Riley Nelson clone. Riley Nelson
was the worst thing to happen to the BYU program and has/is setting the program
back years. Taysom is a poorman's Tebow. Why can't BYU start and
develop a quarterback they recruit and sign out of high school? Bronco made a
huge mistake bringing Anae back and might have to pay for it himself. Enough is
enough. Where is the local media to hold the coaching staff's feet to the
fire. Did any of them hear the Texas post game interviews on the Texas side?
That's what BYU needs, some serious pressure and stop with the "just
another game" speak. I can't believe BYU football is what it is right
now. It's a joke! Not good when tying to make a national brand. We expect
our student athletes to act toward perfection (Hadley), what about our football
team (0-4)? Where's the accountability there?
@TrueBlue87Nope, the better team won. I noticed that BYU begged and
cried for the officials to help them the entire game. Utah did get some breaks,
but the calls were legit. Good teams make breaks and take advantage of them. BYU
lost, to a better team, with better athletes, plain and simple. Man Up and admit
worf: "Wisconsin, Utah State, BYU, had more penalties playing PAC 12 teams
than against non-PAC 12 teams combined.Utah State had a bunch of fifteen
yard penalties with Utah, and USC,--than compare to Air Force, &
Weber."Yes, let's compare, shall we? Vs. Utah: 7-94 (NOT
PAC-12 officials); vs. Air Force: 8-70 (not quite the picture you painted); vs.
Weber: 2-24 (game was over before it began); vs. SC: 11-89."Wisconsin, and BYU also had more penalties than combined non- PAC 12
teams played. They both had the same refs."BYU: vs. UVa: 7-43;
vs. Texas: 8-68; vs. Utah: 7-55 (hmmm...)Wisconsin: vs. UMass: 5-45 (game
was over before it began); vs. Tennessee Tech: 5-31 (game was over before it
began); vs. ASU: 6-76; vs. Purdue: 1-10 (far inferior team).If you
want to believe your PAC-12 conspiracy, I'm fine with that. But the
information you try to back it up with is entirely false.
@bigcougieIf not for the refs Utah win's the game going away by
3-4 touchdowns. The PI that was reversed after replay which shouldn't have
been forced Utah to punt instead of driving down the field. The unsportsmanlike
penalty on Rowe gave cougies first down instead of 4th and 13. They could have
thrown flags on similiar things 50 different times during this game on both
teams. The one they do throw is on Rowe when he made stop that would have pretty
much ended the game at that point. On this same drive Alisa's TD he was
down at the 1 however they ruled it a TD who knows what happens if they have to
run another play. Then right when we get the ball after this Poole breaks a big
run KVN wins an oscar for the flop job he does because he was beat and the refs
give him the holding call. Stop making excuses as you seen calls
were bad for Utah but they overcome them and win! Utah don't make excuses
we just win 4 in a row, 9 of 12 be glad your cougies get 2 years off!
@Spokane UteThe Utes deserved to win the game. Congratulations. But
you're kidding, right? I saw way more closeups of Whittingham whining to
the refs than the BYU sideline. Whit about stroked out on one of them. Chased
the ref all the way down the field. I guess that escaped your view with those
rose colored glasses on.
@BCSWINSI couldn't agree with you more. I'm not surprised
by all the blaming of the refs once again this year by the kitty cat fans. The
truth is they all know they will once again be irrelevant in the state of Utah
but this time for two more years.
As a BYU fan, I get tired of excuses and calling for firings/resignations every
time BYU has a loss. The Utes outplayed the Y plain and simple.If
we rush into firing someone after every loss, no one will want to come to BYU to
coach. I still think it was a mistake to bring Anae back, but it's also a
mistake to fire him so quickly. BYU has had slow starts before and has come
back to develop winning seasons. Give Anae some time and see if he can make the
necessary adjustments. As for those calling for firing Mendenhall, I am
thankful that we have a head coach who will uphold the University's
standards.After the Texas game, a BYU commentator said that maybe we
don't need passing ability, with Hill's ability to make big run plays.
It was an overly-simplistic and foolish comment. Living mostly by the run is
great, but the effective pass still needs to be an option. Hill is not a great
passer, but there also have been a lot of timing issues catchable passes
dropped. The whole offense needs to step up to improve the passing game.
@ AltaHoopsNope, called it just as it was. Did I mention how the BYU
reciever pulled the defender down on the last play, then got up pleading for a
call? Give me a break, BYU lost, Utah won fair and square. Better team, better
athletes, better coaching. Deal with it, and take off your blue glasses in the
mean time. Also, Coach Whittingham coaches with passion, while Bronco coaches
like a statue. Just the way it is. That humble pie must taste awfully bitter to
actually blame the officials.
With an unbiased opinion on the game. I am not a fan of either but was pulling
for BYU. So my takes on the game.Hill couldn't hit water if he
fell out of a boat. His passing was horrible, nothing but overthrown and under
thrown balls.I know a run game has to be established in a football
game, but when there is 8 guys in the box, why not utilize a tight end at least.
BYU has always used thier TE's very well, they do not seem to be involved
much in this offensive scheme of Anae, who I think it terrible to begin with and
I have not clue why he is even back.I am not a fan of Erickson, but
his plan of attack was top notch in this game and the kids did a pretty good job
of executing it.I thought Utah got away with a couple of penalties
that should have been called, a couple of unsportsman like penalties, however, I
don't think it would have matter because BYU, Hill, and Anae couldn't
get it in the endzone.But this week matters! GO BRUINS!
Utes desereve the victory. BYU dead last in the NATION in passing efficiency is
embarassing. BYU as a running team is rediculous. LaVell had it right. It's
not rocket science. We throw the ball, we win. Simple as that. Kyle and the Utes
proved they are the better program right now.
Utah St--UtahWisconsin--Arizona StBYU--UtahUtah St.--USCAll close games decided by seven points or less.All winners
= PAC 12 teamsHmm?
Hey Worf..My conclusion would be that USU would be competitive in the Pac 12!
Here is my issue with the officiating in the game. In the first half utah got
called for an illegal substitution penalty because they were trying to
substitute on defense and BYU snapped the ball before the utah players got off
the field. whittingham had a complete meltdown over it, chased the refs down the
field and was screaming about it like a 5 year old. The players were
indisputably on the field so it was a correct call.But from that
point on the ref's stood over the ball and would not allow BYU to snap it
until utah made all of their defensive substitutions, this while the play clock
is actually running and BYU in position at the line. Why if the
offense is in position to snap the ball, and THE PLAY CLOCK IS RUNNING, were the
ref's keeping them from doing so? Part of the hurry up offense philosophy
is to keep the defense from being able to substitute and wear them out yet the
ref's were purposely allowing utah to substitute and holding up the game,
while the play clock is still running.
@ duckhunterTell us again who's whining like a 5 year old?LOL!
People blaming the refs for the byU loss need to calm down a touch. Yes, the
refs were letting the plays go too long, that is why Murphy had to leave the
game. Murphy was injured on a play that went too long and the defender rolled
with his ankle. Also, there were a lot - a LOT - of holding that was never
called, many were on big byU plays. In addition, the refs let byU into the game
on two calls, or should I say one horrible reversal and one valid (though
ticky-tack) taunting call. The pass interference reversal was absolutely the
wrong call and horrible officiating. Dres was clearly mugged before anybody
touched the ball. At worst it should have been defensive holding. That gave
the ball back to byU when they shouldn't have got it back. The taunting
call, though a correct call, was ticky-tack and could have been ignored IF the
officials truly wanted to make sure Utah won the game. They called it and gave
byU the ball back where they scored their only TD to come within 7 points.byU lost straight up.Go Utes!!
Love the angst from the Duckhunter and the rest of the BYU "fans".
There is always a reason for the losses other than the obvious one - YOUR TEAM
isn't good enough to win.Period.
Duckhunter,I don't understand all the rules regarding
substitutions and there were some rule changes by the NCAA that my fellow fans
have had to educate me about this season as I've attended the games so I
don't have an answer to your question. I do agree that the officiating was
lacking and everyone at my house for the game recognized it as well. When the
TV anouncers mentioned we had the same officiating crew from the Wisconsin - ASU
game we all groaned and wished they had been suspended as part of their
punishment for that mess. I have not been impressed with the Pac 12 officiating
this season in any of the games and I hope the conference is working on the
Duckhunter:"Why if the offense is in position to snap the ball,
and THE PLAY CLOCK IS RUNNING, were the ref's keeping them from doing
so?"The new NCAA rules regarding the hurry up offense requires
the refs to allow the defense to substitute IF the offense makes substitutions.
If the offense does not make substitutions, then they don't have to allow
time for the defensive substitution. That was my understanding of the rules
before the season even started. No conspiracy here. The same thing happened to
Utah during the OSU game - offense was ready, but were required to wait for
defensive substitutions. Just part of the game.I had no problem
with the illegal substitution call, but Whitt had every right to contest it if
he thought it was a wrong call - just like EVERY coach I have ever witnessed
from Pop Warner to the NFL does. Yes, including EVERY byU head coach. That you
characterized his actions to those of a 5 year old is interesting since ALL
coaches do the exact same thing.I have to give you one thing,
I'm glad we don't have to face KVN again! Monster dude!
WACPaddlingOurSchedule:"One can't help but to wonder about
BYUs loss and ... Spencer Hadley's partying"Please move on.
Spencer is at fault there and nobody else. Nobody knows who turned him in,
their school association, or the reason for turning him in. Spencer's
replacement was more than capable to replace him being that he had the most
tackles on the defense and had twice as many tackles for loss as KVN and
Sorensen combined.Utah won - straight up.Go Utes! On to
UCLA. Good luck with MTS
Jazzsmack:"The one and only Honest and True analysis"Interesting take which differs GREATLY from Athlon Sports, which gave
Wilson their offensive player of the week - for the nation.Go
Utes!Onward and Upward!!
Duckhunter, Whit was upset because it was a bad call. BYU substituted a player
and the refs allowed them to line up and snap it before Utah got their subs
made. The rule change was made last year or the year before I believe that if
the offense subs a player, the officials must allow the defense to make a
substitution as well, and it's a good rule, considering defensive
coordinators have to know the offense's package before they can make a play
call. It's unfortunate that a coach has to remind the officials on the
rules, but it was absolutely deserving, and was apparently effective considering
they got it right for the rest of the game. Whine about the rule if you want,
but know that it was officiated by the book after that first mistake.
I think that decision to not go for it on 4th down later in the game will be a
bad dream for someone. Utah scored anyway after we gave it up. But without the
passing, every team will now seal the lanes and make running a nightmare.
They've all seen what we did to Texas and no one is going to allow that.
Short passes seemed to be working on a series or two. Why not stay with it?
And where are the wrinkles, like draws and options and spreading the offense
and end arounds and some unexpected stuff. Hill doesn't seem to pass on
the run very well. Go fast, Go hard? Doesn't seem to make a difference.
Maybe it's wearing us down more than the defense - no surprises for the
defense here. And it limits our play variety. We've got talent, good
athletes, but it doesn't seem to be used well so far. Need better scoring
plays in zones.Yeah, I know, I'm not a coach. Just venting I guess.
Losing to Utah is always a season's biggest downer.
@Mormon Ute and VegasUteThanks for the replies, I didn't know
that the rule was if the offense substituted it allows the defense to do the
same so I'm not sure if that is how it was enforced because I wasn't
looking for it specifically. Vegasute you probably couldn't see it on tv
but whittingham did have a complete meltdown over it, far more than he needed to
have and yes I agree all coaches do it, it was just a funny thing to witness
over a 5 yard penalty. @nobrainatall and 54iqI
wasn't whining about anything, just asking a question which a couple of the
more intelligent Utah fans around here actually tried to answer. Yes I do have
some angst over the outcome, just like you would in reverse, but I haven't
whined about it at all. Nice try but fail.
duck,It's real simple, if the offense substitutes than the
defense is allowed to sub. That's why the ref stood over the ball. Nice
ynee try though. lol.
RBB:"The worst part about football is the fan who aways thinks
they know better than the coach with a winning record. I watched the game at a
local restaurant with an obnoxious U fan who had to let us all know how stupid
he thought Whittingham was"Must be the same guy that sits two
rows behind me in the NEZ.Go Utes!!
@stgIf that is what happened, and if that is the rule, then so be
it, I have no problem with it. I don't recall whining about that
"rule" if it is in fact a rule, I just asked the question. And yes
whittingham had a complete meltdown over it, far more than a 5 yard penalty
generally warrants. Perhaps he was trying to make a point and if so then it
worked. I'd have to rewatch the game, which I highly doubt I will, to see
if the rule was enforced correctly on every play. But considering it was this
exact same reffing crew that stood over the ball and ran the clock out on
wisconisn the previous week questioning their ability to get it correct is
hardly a stretch now is it? They appear to be fairly incompetent overall as a
crew so them screwing things up shouldn't surprise anyone. Of course saying
they are incompetent and screw ups is not the same thing as claiming they are
the reason BYU lost now is it? I'm fairly sure I haven't done that,
but I understand your desire to try to pretend I am.
Great win, but this article is very slanted and inaccurate. Jeff Call has
written it in a way that emphasizes calls made by the refs at key moments, but
omits key information. For example, "a holding call negated" a score by
BYU. Never mind that the call was correct. Later, Call mentions
that "The officials, however, ruled that Norwood did not touch the ball and
the Utes retained possession." He should mention that the officials
CORRECTLY ruled that he did not touch the ball. Nothing was taken away from
BYU. It was close, but Norwood simply did not touch the ball. On
the other side, he fails to mention calls that led to BYU gains. He mentions
that BYU scored late in the 4th quarter, but says nothing about the
unsportsman-like conduct call. That was a good call I thought, but it
absolutely kept BYU's drive alive. Take that away and they don't
score that touchdown. So Call selectively mentions the refs to
slant the reader's opinion of the officiating. Poor writing.
Now the game is over, very disappointing for BYU fans and very good for Utah
fans. Now it is two weeks to the game of the Bruins coming to town for Thursday
night football. Gotta love it! Here it to UCLA heading home from Utah with
win. However, despite a 59-13 win over New Mexico State, UCLA is going to have
to clean up the turnovers to leave Utah with a win. But for now, I am liking
our chances to do just that.GO BRUINS!
Duckhunter:I'll give you that. I wasn't at the game so I
only saw what was televised. I don't know if it was a bad call or not, I
remember thinking that it wasn't clearly a bad call, but I would have to go
back and look again. When all is said and done, it really doesn't matter.
There was clearly some bad and questionable officiating for and against both
sides.If the call was a bad call, and Whitt got the refs to pay
attention to what they were doing and make enforce the substitution rules
correctly, then Whitt's actions were justified and were worth a lot more
than that one five yard penalty.
UtahBruin:"a 59-13 win over New Mexico State"Not
saying much there.Go Utes!! Bring on UCLA!!
@VegasUteYeah, your right, a 59-13 win over New Mexico State is not
all that impressive. It is about as impressive as a 70-7 win over Weber State.
I bet New Mexico State might come close to putting up 70 as well on Weber State.
It is probably about as impressive as 51-48 Loss to Oregon State, or maybe even
a 20-13 win over BYU, or at least as many Ute fans say. None of those games
said much either. But I do know that my Bruins 41-21 comeback win over Nebraska
IN Lincoln was impressive.You say Bring on UCLA, don't worry
they are coming. Here is to a good game. And hopefully friendly banter for the
next two weeks.GO BRUINS!
@Spokane Ute,Oh, I get it. So it's "passion" when
Whittingham whines to the refs half the game, but it's begging and crying
when the cougs ask for a call? Like I said, major rose colored glasses. And for
the record, I said the Utes deserved the win. They outplayed the Cougars no
question. No blame from me toward the referees.
altahoopsProvo, UTNeed a tissue?
Can you imagine the chaos that would transpire if all these arm chair
quarterbacks, hindsight 20/20 play calling, rules interpreting, name calling
individuals actually took part in the game? Wow. Love to read all this stuff. I
agree with the person about the way the article was written. Conspiracy,
possibly because it has all of us writing on this thread. Best of luck to both
schools. Middle TN and UCLA teddy bears, look the heck out cause our Utah
schools are going to dominate.
@54-10I think so.
"* The alum in the replay booth overturning the pass interference penalty on
BYU to a "tip ball". ESPN announcers were in "shock and awe" on
Utah won, BYU lost, enough said. We in Utah will just have to realize when it
come to sports, we just don't have the horsepower of states like
California, NY, Florida, Texas, etc.
@sammyGHow does it feel to lose yet once again, then have to use the
officials as a scape goat? I guess now it's time to jump on the other PAC
12 teams band wagon and hope they can do what your team can't; beat Utah. I
Vegas Ute,Thanks for the rule clarification. As I said, I knew
there were rule changes, but I wasn't sure what they all were. Of course
you would hope that refs would have studied up on the changes and be prepared,
since they are being paid to do this. It seems to me there has been a lot of
confusion on the rules in every game this year resulting in a lot of delays
while the refs figure out what the proper calls should be, but it has gotten
better with each game.Duckhunter,I'm sure Coach
Witt knew this was the same officiating crew from the ASU - Wisconsin game so he
wanted to make sure they clearly understood the new rule and enforced it
properly. As I look back to the Utah State and OSU games I remember watching
and wondering why the refs were holding up play. I think I understand now. And
you are right, the TV crew didn't show Witt's meltdown so we
weren't really aware of it.
I'm willing to give any BYU fans who were at the stadium a break on what
they thought was a fumbled punt return. On TV it even looked that way until
they showed the close up, slow motion replay. On the replay it was completely
obvious that the Ute player didn't touch the ball. I'm sure the BYU
players thought he touched it as well and from their position it had to look
that way. I just encourage you all to go find ESPN's video of it and watch
the slow motion, close up replay. It is pretty clear he didn't touch the
Duckhunter, apparently the mods like to not pass comments on and also not send
an email saying they won't, so I'll try again. Yeah, I know Whit can
look pretty funny when he gets upset about officiating errors. In the time I
spent around the team, I learned a few of those quirks about him, like how he
clings to timeouts when he can like he can carry them with him to the afterlife.
I never said you blamed the loss on officiating, I think you are one of the fans
that is smarter than that.
Duckhunter (contd.)But regarding the officials, yes, I believe most
of that particular crew is pretty incompetent. Not crooked, just incompetent.
They were very indecisive in the Badgers game, and they made no attempt to take
control of emotions in the game this weekend. Assessing one penalty for
extracurricular activity in the first quarter wouldn't have had a direct
impact on the game, and would have nipped it in the bud early so that BYU's
coaches wouldn't have had to bench Brayden Kearsley late in the game for
trying to use Jason Whittingham as a blocking sled, before finally making a
stand on Eric Rowe mildly mocking a plea for an undeserved flag (I wouldn't
disagree with unsportsmanlike conduct in the situation if it wasn't so
inconsistent with how the rest of the game had been called, and that it had the
chance to make a direct impact on the outcome).
UtahBruin:"You say Bring on UCLA, don't worry they are
coming. Here is to a good game. And hopefully friendly banter for the next two
weeks."Friendly banter is fun, and that should be what it's
all about.Good luck on the third, and let's hope for a good
clean game!!Go Utes!!
VegasUteLas Vegas, NVWACPaddlingOurSchedule:"One
can't help but to wonder about BYUs loss and ... Spencer Hadley's
partying"Please move on. Spencer is at fault there and nobody
else. Nobody knows who turned him in, their school association, or the reason
for turning him in. Spencer's replacement was more than capable to replace
him being that he had the most tackles on the defense and had twice as many
tackles for loss as KVN and Sorensen combined.Utah won - straight
up.Go Utes! On to UCLA. Good luck with MTS______I think you meant to quote the person I was quoting?
Congrats on the fourth straight win, Utah. Chris B, I still think
you should tone down the vitriol but, you were right. Now let's see if you
can get to the 8 wins you predicted...I'm sure you'll keep us posted
"trueblue87Provo, UTWhile I agree that the Cougars
didn't play a spectacular 4 quarters, I think you have to chalk this one up
for the Pac-12 refs. The fumbled punt return that wasn't and the blatant no
calls when Utah players continuously went after BYU players after the play was
blown dead, often-times ending with the refs having to separate 2 or more
players. I move that we do away with conference officials and bring them all
under the NCAA umbrella."While I agree that all officials should
be under the NCAA umbrella and not tied to any particular conferences, Utah and
not the Pac 12 refs won this game. The score was only as close as it was
because of an unsportsmanlike conduct call that kept alive a BYU drive that
resulted in a touchdown alive late in the 4th. It was the right call but,
let's be real here, BYU's QB is not getting the job done and there is
no single or even collection of calls that could have gone the other way and
changed the outcome of this game.
hockiechickSanta Monica, CAOnly 18 completions in 48
passes? Here's an idea: Why doesn't BYU hire a real head coach;
someone who can recruit a quarterback with talent.----The problem may very well be that BYU has been going after only
"talent" rated highly by the recruiting services. Heaps and Hill come
to mind has having five and four stars next to their names while Johnny Manziel
had three. The "right talent" might be a better statement.Regarding Mendenhall, good luck. He's done a pretty good job despite a
restrictive honor code. I highly doubt you will find someone who does a better
job while keeping the First Presidency of the Mormon Church happy even if this
turns out to be a tough season.
@WON84Nicely done, and spot on!
"Spokane UteSpokane, WA@WON84Nicely
done, and spot on!"I am definitely no fan of Pac 12 refs though
I honestly think they're just poor referees across the board (that's
no commentary on teams in the league). I remember an
unsportsmanlike conduct call against Jake Locker at Washington that helped set
up a long PAT that BYU blocked and subsequently won the game. If their job was
truly to protect league teams, that wouldn't have happened. On the same
count, Washington's offensive line blatantly held on several of
Locker's scrambles that setup what looked like the tying score. There was
no call. They just aren't very good.And regarding BYU and the
Pac 12, the Pac 12 doesn't want to work around Sunday play. That's
all it is, it's not BYU not having a medical school or being enough of a
research university. Both Stanford and Cal have scheduled football series with
BYU so I'm pretty sure it's not the school being LDS affiliated
either.Hopefully people on both sides can relax and enjoy the game
now.See you in a couple of years.