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Published: Friday, Sept. 20 2013 4:00 p.m. MDT

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RG
Buena Vista, VA

When I was in seminary in the early '80s, we had 40 scriptures each year. I think that served me well on my mission.

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

Oh dear.

I've always prided myself in telling my children I know all the scripture mastery verses.

Now I have to go back and learn MORE?

Hmm . . . I guess that's always the point isn't it, learning more? I'm printing out this page right now.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Mr. Walker states that "When LDS seminary and institute students returned to their religious education classes this fall, they found a revised Scripture Mastery list awaiting their study and memorization. Of the 100 scriptures on the list, 34 have changed."

I respectfully submit that Mr. Walker's usage of the word "changed" misstates the facts. It actually distorts the truth. The 34 scripture passages have not been changed, they have been replaced in the revised Scripture Mastery list with others deemed to be more applicable and pertinent to the curriculum of study.

donn
layton, UT

RE:c The nine basic doctrines: The *Godhead.( Greek 2320 – theotēs), the state of being God.

For since the creation of the world ‘God’s invisible qualities’—his eternal power and divine nature(theiotes=*Godhead, KJV)have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse(Romans 1:20 NIV)

“For in him all the fullness of deity .
(theotetos*=Godhead,KJV) lives in bodily form(Col 2:9 NET) Or,In him dwells all the completeness of the *Godhead bodily.

The very essence of deity was total present in Jesus’ human body was a direct refutation of Gnostic teaching. At the incarnation, the second person of the Trinity assumed humanity, and is forever the God-man.

(1 John 3:16 KJV)Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.” God on the cross.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Red Corvette
SACRAMENTO, CA in his/her posted comment cleverly states: "More shifting sands coming from Salt Lake."

That, of course, is absolutely not true! However, to read Mr Walker's intro to is article, that is exactly what you'd be inclined to think.

The fact is, the Church has not changed anything at all with regard to what it teaches. It has not changed the scriptures.

But as my previous post clearly points out, Mr. Walker's article appears to state that the Church has done just that.

Makes one wonder, do those earning journalism degrees actually take any English classes to learn how to write what they truly want to say in the media?

DRay
Roy, UT

The scriptures have changed not, but different ones are now focus, that's okay; if anyone is worried, they can remember the "replaced" 34 along with the new 100...as for me, I went to Japan, where citing scripture and verse didn't so much impress Buddhists as did the Spirit bearing witness. Investigators often mentioned the Peace and Love missionaries left with them. Certainly all must remember the Savior's admonition to "search the scriptures...for they testify of me."

DRay
Roy, UT

The article refers to a website that lists 100 scriptures from the B.of Mormon Teacher Manuel of Seminary, 2012. Is this the "new" list? Shouldn't it say its 2013 list?

Ahawk89
Ankeny, IA

I noticed that Alma 34:32-34 was eliminated. Why? Shouldn't every young person know that they will not be able to repent in the afterlife? I think it is vitally important to know that "this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God...time to perform their labors." It would be a shame if they would procrastinate their repentance until death. Youth must know that they must do it now. Remember, repent means to stop sinning (see D&C 58:42-43). If they don't know Alma 34:32-34, they may actually believe that all they need to do is try their best!! That would be terrible. 1Nephi 3:7 is still there! Great! I agree that they must know that God will never give them a commandment they can't keep. Scripture is very clear, you must stop sinning in this life. Youth must know this! It would be a shame if they died in their sins (Alma 11:37). In fact, I think they need to expand the mastery verse to include Alma34:32-35. That way they will know what happens if they don't stop in this life.

stplaw
Austin, TX

After reading through the additional scriptures, two things stood out. I love the shift in focus to covenants and repentance. I feel that this is excellent for the youth. In addition, I used many of these scriptures to teach people on my mission and feel that they are more relevant to people today than older scripture mastery verses. Not that the old verses aren't good - just that times and people's needs change. I view this as a small evidence of the continuing revelation that guides this church. (and there's no reason that the youth can't continue to study and learn from the old scripture mastery, as well as the rest of the scriptures. It would be impossible to capture every important doctrine and principle in only 100 passages.)

IndependentlyIndependent
South Jordan, UT

I welcome this change. If you compare the old list to the new one, you find a stark contrast. The old list, especially Old Testament and New Testament scriptures, consist almost entirely of scriptures used to validate doctrines that are unique to LDS faith, like the view on the Godhead and baptism for the dead. Many were good, but were essentially "Bible Bash" scriptures. They weren't something that you would recall in a hard time and be uplifted. (i.e. "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold.")

The new list, as stplaw noted, has a shift to scriptures about covenants, repentance, and reliance on God, all things that would be worth memorizing to recall at a trying time.

IndependentlyIndependent
South Jordan, UT

Yarrlydarb, I don't think you need to be as threatened by that word change as you seem to be. The LDS church has changed since its formation, it is changing, and will continue to change, even more in this internet generation. The thought that change somehow invalidates the church is a dangerous one, and will lead you to a world of disillusionment.

Philippine Bonita
Sammamish, WA

@Ahawk89 " Shouldn't every young person know that they will not be able to repent in the afterlife? ". I don't think you meant that to come out the way it did to me.
While we must not procrastinate the day of our repentance, remember that the gospel is preached to them that are dead. Why would we be baptized on behalf of the dead if they have no opportunity to repent?
1 Peter 4:6
John 5:25
1 Cor 15:29
Having said that, I do love Alma 34! Excessive that faith unto repentance!

Ahawk89
Ankeny, IA

@Philippine Bonita, Please forgive me, I may not be reading the verses correctly. I believe that it says that we must repent in this life, work in this life, and if we don't we are sealed to Satan. Am I missing something, please show me. The scripture is clear, if we procrastinate the day of our repentance, i.e. don't finish repenting, by the time we go out of this world, there will not be another change. It says it is the "final state", not "temporary state until we finish repenting". I thought that baptism for the dead are for those that did not have their works done in their lifetime. Where does is it teach that vicarious works for the dead benefit LDS that died still in their sins? After we are baptized, it becomes our obligation to keep all the commandments, right? What happens if we don't keep all of the commandments? Isn't repentance 1, Show sorrow for your sin, 2. Abandon the sin, 3. confess the sin, 4. Restitution of sin, 5. Do the will of the Father. I am having a hard time with #2. I can't abandon every sin, so what happens to me?

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

Ahawk89-

I pretty much agree with your views, but remember God is the ultimate judge. I don't know if there are black & white answers for your scenario.

However, supporting your view, D&C 138:32-34 mentions the preaching of the gospel to the dead was directed to those spirit who rejected the gospel in mortality or died in ignorance. It doesn't specifically mention non-valiant church members -- so there is some ambiguity.

D&C 76:79 also mention the following referring to the terrestrial kingdom (post spirit world): "These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God."

Overall, it is not looking good for those who made covenants in mortality (LDS members) and do not endure to the end faithful, valiant, & repentant. Since exaltation is the goal (highest degree in celestial kingdom), the terrestrial kingdom is not considered a success. This may imply repentance is not available to non-valiant LDS members in the spirit world in terms of being able to get to the highest degree in the celestial kingdom.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I have to say I like the stronger emphasis on covenants in the new scriptures. I also think the new scripture on Jesus saying that we must be like him in 3rd Nephi is much stronger than the old reference.

I am not surprised the "my yoke is easy" scripture was added. On the "way, truth and light" one I was surprised it was not already there. I think these are positive changes.

I would also point out no one has ever claimed that the scripture mastery list was received by revelation.

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