Was this before or after voting to strip funding from food stamps? How much can
the GOP abuse the working poor before they realize its the reason they continue
to lose elections?
I would ask, is there still a "middle class," and is the middle class
Pres. Obama wants to save, is that a class he has redefined as a "totally
dependent upon government for everything class?" Politics as usual, with a
split Congress, only continues to allow Socialists to wreck havoc on us all.
"Defunding and repealing Obamacare, they said, is the first step in fixing
the health care system in ways that enhance personal freedom and reduce the role
of government."Yes. Let's fix it by going back to the way
it was before. When you had the "personal freedom" to get sick and go
bankrupt and the role of government was to sit by and watch your life be ruined,
if you didn't die in the process. What a joke.Good heavens,
Chaffetz is such a stooge.
I'm all for helping those who can't afford health care insurance, but
this isn't what ObamaCare was all about. It's about power and control
under the guise of 'care' and 'concern' and
'affordability'. It's hard to believe that so many people are
naive to what is going on in Washington. Perhaps they aren't naive at all.
Those are the ones that are most dangerous. Stupidity can sometimes be
educated out of it, but not so for someone that wants control. Quite odd that
even in 'Zion' we have those who don't believe in the scripture
that says "We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and
disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they
suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion."
That means if you voted for almost every one of our politicians now in office,
you voted for corruption and those who have immediately exercised unrighteous
dominion. "Mirror, mirror on the wall...." Naive or not, you have no
What a waste of government money these representatives are! Can we vote to
impeach them please!
Good ol Matheson. He supported the bill before he voted against the bill. But
only because he was trying to do the right thing. In his own words he
didn't want all of the extra things added. Yet no problem with the
additions and the pork when the democrats had control of the house and senate.
Which gave birth to the ugly child obummercare.
"...only continues to allow Socialists to wreck havoc on us all." There
is only one socialist in the congress - Senator Bernie Sanders. So, what
exactly are you talking about?
Defunding it doesn't stop Obamacare from being law, it does stop the
subsidies from going to the poor, middle class, and businesses to help pay for
health insurance. So yeah, if you want to sabotage the bill by making people
unnecessarily suffer you could defund it as a strategy for that... seems rather
disgusting though. Just vote for repeal of Obamacare or actually come up with a
viable alternative and vote for that. Or maybe, just maybe... you could actually
vote on bills to alter provisions in Obamacare to make the system work better
(like how Democrats who opposed Bush's Medicare Part D expansion ended up
working on measures to improve it afterwards).
Glad our Utah Congressmen are not the dispositive deciders.Utah has remained
radical right for far too long.
Chaffetz should become a kicking coach for a local junior high team.
This is the "line in the sand" people! Americans are trying to buy
affordable health insurance - that is something which we simply cannot allow!
Schwa ---get serious. This does not do away with Food Stamps, but is only
to eliminate the 10% which is still only a part of unneeded or fraudulent usage.
Under Obama, the program has doubled and has vastly increased the dependent
Cutting the funding for the poor would be acceptable from Congress under three
conditions:Permanently set congressional salaries and 110% or 120%
of the US Median Income.AndChange the law so that the
government funded retirement program for Congressmen is Social Security only.AndChange the law so that the government funded health
insurance for serving and retired Congressmen is Medicare only.The
people we are sending to Washington on multi-million dollar campaigns just have
no concept about what real life is like. They fiddle while Rome burns and say,
"Let them eat cake."
It just shows how out of touch they are and how much they pander to the
I wish I lived in Chaffetz district so I could vote against him. As a life long
Republican, I would gladly vote for a Green Party, a Democrat, a dead body in a
coffin, if they were running against him.I am embarrassed that he is
Did all our esteemed leaders give up their tax payer funded health
care?..............did not think so!
You cannot claim to be a Christian and vote against food stamps or healthcare
for the poor. You can smooze it anyway you want but God knows.
If it's a choice between Obamacare and shutdown, I choose shutdown. The
Republicans in the House have the votes to stand up to Obama's socialist
dream. They should do so.
A car loan will not raise my debt--from the mind of a liberal
It's not only disgusting, it's just plain STUPID.
This is really the last stand for econommic freedom in this country. It
doesn't look good. If they cave then it's over.
Before something can be defended, doesn't it first have to be funded?
ObamaCare is a rope around America's neck. Rather than fix the problems
with our current healthcare system, it simply extended a broken system to more
people.Let's see, if you have something that costs too much, is
it reasonable to try and fix it by jacking up costs further???!
This can and should be reality, not simply a statement as the writer begins the
article. Three cheers for those who voted to,defund this monstrosity of a law.
The majority (70%) want to cancel obamacare; most of those who support it have
no idea of what is in it and the disastrous effects. Hatch says he opposes
obamacare. Now is his chance to prove it by voting to defund it.
It appears the the liberals have convince a lot of people that they are
incapable of planning for their needs, or save to meet emergencies. And, that
all government money is "free!" and should be used to provide free
health care, free phones, free cars, free housing, free food, and whatever else
potential voters might like so the politicians will win reelection.Obamcare is already throwing hundreds of thousands of worker off their
previously provided health care insurance; raising the costs for individuals and
employers; limiting the range of insurance choices; forcing people to by
something they may not want; driving doctors out of the profession; and forcing
tens of thousands of workers (so far) to be cut to less than 30 hours work per
week. "Old" Health care was not perfect, but no one was
denied care, and most people could afford insurance. Now the number of uninsured
is rising, along with the costs for those who buy insurance- that is a major
failing, not a success story, now that we can "see what is in it."
America's promise was a guarantee that everyone had a right to pursue
happiness, based on the protection of God-given freedom of choice. The left
continues to try and take away those individual freedoms by guaranteeing more
elements of a minimum standard of living (food, housing, utilities, and now
healthcare).One by one, the rights to our own time and property are
being stripped from us by an ever increasingly heavy handed government.
What's the answer? Taking care of the poor should be a VOLUNTARY
charitable act, not forced through taxation and redistribution. Under the
charity model, both giver and receiver can win. Under forced redistribution,
both giver and receiver are worse off: The giver loses the benefit that results
from the joy of giving and helping others. And the receiver gains a sense of
entitlement rather than a sense of gratitude.
Interesting TRUTH. Personal attacks on the First Lady because you don't
like the ACA.These kinds ad hominem attacks are the reason we
can't take your rants seriously.The ACA isn't great
legislation, but there are many parts of it that are good and that are needed.
Remember, the original idea to make everyone buy insurance came from a
conservative think tank, was supported by many Republicans (including our own
Bob Bennett), was in whole or part written by lobbyists of major corporations,
and was actually implemented in Massachusetts by Gov. Romney. Keep the good,
fix the bad. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.I
didn't realize that all the major players were "exempt" from the
ACA. That's because they aren't. Example: One of the
misrepresentations being thrown about on these boards is that Congress is
exempt. Wrong. They are still required to have health insurance. But they
already have health insurance through the government, therefore, they
aren't forced into searching for it through exchanges.Try
arguing the points rather than making personal attacks, if that's possible.
It would make you appear more intelligent in your posts.
Here is little paraphrasing of a popular saying here in Payson.The
Republic Party is the t-r-u-e political party in spite of some of the members.
70 percent of the people do not want the train wreck called Obamacare. Junk it
and start over.Cutting food stamps by 5 percent is a joke. At least
five times that amount are scammers. A nanny state of unlimited spending to
keep people dependent on the government is not in America's best interests.
"Utah congressmen vote to defund Obamacare"In other news,
the water in the Great Salt Lake is found to be salty.Everybody
knows that American healthcare is a hugely over expensive swamp, created over
decades, but made much worse by greed in the past 30 years.However, people
who are in good financial situations, like many lds members, may not have taken
the time to see that the lower income groups are poorly covered, and that
taxpayer expenditures to help them have nearly bankrupted many cities and
States, besides the Federal impact.carmanWasatch Front, UT"Old" Health care was not perfect, but no one was denied care, and
most people could afford insurance. Now the number of uninsured is rising, along
with the costs for those who buy insurance- that is a major failing, not a
success story, now that we can "see what is in it."Sorry --
you have swallowed the lies. Not a bit of what you wrote is completely true,
once we allow that the "not denied" healthcare to inner city poor people
was expensive emergency room and ambulance care at your expense.
Those who claim that you can't be Christian and be against food stamps need
to pause. The Democratic dream is not about giving people food stamps; it is a
cover up for keeping them dependent and poor. Go ahead, Democratic and
Republican supporters, continue to abuse your neighbor, take care of yourself,
and then point the finger at those who haven't delegated their individual
charity to government. It is you that have dehumanized the poor, given them
food stamps, and turned your head. Who are the hypocrites? Those who actually
help their neighbor believe in themselves without government dependency, or
those who want to have others pay the taxes for food stamps,keep them dependent
and poor, and then run off to an exotic vacation and patronizingly throw a few
tax scraps to the government, all the while, of course, getting offended at
those who want charity returned to its rightful place, in the hearts and pockets
You cannot be a Christian and encourage to poor to live perpetually on the dole.
You can smooze it anyway you want but God knows.
It's pathetic that a whole lot of people posting here have been hooked by
the GOP propaganda machine and are being reeled into the boat.
If house members are against government involved health care, I challenge them
to lead by example.Defund Congressional health care first.
Three cheers for Chavetz and all who sided with the majority of citizens who
fear and dislike Obamacare! So will you print this comment because I didn't
challenge Sen. Hatch to defund it?
The Republican Party under the control of usurpers (The RINO Tea Party) is
committing suicide in choosing this path. The amateurish Tea Party is not fit
to govern and thankfully this will be a final nail in their coffin. It is good
to get this over with and perhaps return to more seasoned and skilled
politicians that refrain from practicing a scorched earth policy on themselves.
Jason is listening to the people of Utah. Jason knows he can't claim he is
against Obamacare if he votes to fund it. Once the law is funded it is set in
stone for ever and Jason will be blamed - rightly so - by the people of Utah for
voting to fund it. The GOP has voted to FUND EVERY SINGLE part of the budget
except Obamacare. That means the military is funded - medicare is funded - food
stamps are funded and so on. It will be Barack "the demagog" that shuts
the government down not the GOP. Congress controls the purse strings from a
rouge president who steps out side the bounds of his power - this is stated in
the constitution. Obama has already illegally exempted his political buddies
from having to swallow this ugly law including BIG business and member of
congress so Barack IS outside the law. Congress has the duty to reel him in.
Why are the Obamas exempt from the health care plan?
"Fifty-seven percent of Americans disapprove of the idea of cutting off
government funding to stop the ACA from being implemented, according to a new
poll by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Of those who disapprove of
defunding, 69 percent said using the budget process to stop a law is not the way
government should work."To tell the truth is not merely to state
facts, but to leave a true impression. Please stop saying "70 percent
don't like obamacare" without admitting "Half of those think
it's too conservative and want a single-payer system."
Defund Congressional health care first. If the people can live without it, so
What a deceptive headline. Do your reporters just regurgitate what they are told
by the Congressional press shills? This was not about keeping the government
open. It was the GOP having a hissy fit over a law that passed the Congress,
upheld by the Supreme Court, and ratified by the people. The GOP doesn't
like the Constitutional system we have, and yet they offer nothing as an
alternative to deal with the health insurance mess. Nothing, no ideas, no
leadership, no proposals to Romney's program. Government by tantrum and
blackmail. Even sane Republicans think the House is misguided. Why would anyone
ever vote for a political party that behaves this way? It is shameful. And as
for Matheson, he should complete his new party registration and stop pretending.
He did not vote to keep the government open. Talk about duplicitous.
I for one will be voting to defund Congressman Matheson. He and our other
Representatives have offered no viable alternatives to the Affordable Care Act!.
They fail to recognize that our existing American Healthcare system is breaking
the back of the United States. Meanwhile, ordinary (99%) citizens may have
little or no healthcare. This is shameful and unacceptable!. Let our
republican congressman (and faux-democrat) step up to the plate with some ideas
to solve our healthcare mess in America. Their defund Obamacare strategy will
backfire at the end of the day anyway and that will do nothing more than
alienate independent voters.
I'm embarrassed to be a Utah Republican. Our congressional team knows full
well this action will not pass the Senate. It is a foolish, political, attempt
to look like a strong conservative while wasting time and taxpayer dollars.
Defund food for poor people, block health insurance for poor people, and claim
to represent everyone. Does our congressional team ask the Tea Party how they
should vote and then get in line? It is embarrassing for me as a lifelong Utah
Republican to be associated with this horrible behavior.
@Owen. All the information they receive are broken quotes and half truths,
radio entertainers said it so it's true.I saw where another
poster took it one step further with 70% of Americans HATE the ACA.
re:OwenYou obviously have no idea what Mike Lee is proposing do you.
Mike has voted to APPROVE the entire Obama budget - medicare, military, food
stamps, federal workers and services etc... EVERYTHING!!! So Mike has voted to
fund the government and keep it going. It is your demagogue socialist president
that will be the one that shuts the government down. Mike will NOT fund
Obamacare and Mike is in line with the majority of Americans who HATE Obamacare.
Americans - even BIG unions - want Obamacare delayed and re-done because the
ugly pig that rolls out Oct 1 is unworkable and will cost jobs and force others
into part time work as well as raising their premiums and forcing them into the
state exchanges and out of their current insurance plans which is another Obama
lie. My wife has already received her letter from Alpine School District telling
her that her hours will be cut to 27.5 due to Obamacare. This is a FACT. Open
you eyes guy and take a look around at what this job killing bill is already
doing...MSNBC won't give you the truth ...just some advise.
Patriot(?)... The Senate (Lee) hasn't voted yet. Calm down and read my
comment again. Most (nonFox) Americans do not hate Obamacare. About 65 percent
would prefer something else: 30%, "do nothing-free market", 35%
"universal health care." One thing is certain: 6 in 10 Americans of all
stripes think Lee's approach is wrong.I'm sorry about your
school district's decision to not pass its health care costs on to
taxpayers as they do every other cost. But let me introduce you to my young
adult son who will now be able to have a potentially life-saving operation on my
insurance. The do-nothing (free-market) alternative would be that he shows up at
the emergency room on death's door with a much higher price tag and you pay
worfMcallen, TXWhy are the Obamas exempt from the health care
plan?Don't be disingenuous. Presidents and their families
(currently sitting) are given healthcare through military hospitals and doctors,
such as at Bethesda, as part of their compensation package. That means
he's currently covered, which fulfills the requirement of having
insurance.Former presidents and their families have several options
as part of their post-presidential compensation packages. They can pay
interagency rates at military hospitals, they can purchase Federal Employee
Healthcare, or they can choose to pay for their own.Nowhere is Obama
(or Congress) exempt from having health insurance. That is just part of the
I was raised republican and voted most of my life for republicans. Mitt Romney
signed into law for his state of Massachusetts what has come to be called
Obamacare. It was inspired by the think tank Heritage Center, a very
conservative institution. If it not perfect, as it surely is not, why is there
not any effort to fix it? We have 30,000,000 people without insurance. When
they go to emergency rooms they are served, for obvious reasons. WE ALL PAY FOR
THOSE SERVICES. This is one of the reasons we have health insurance costs that
dwarf similar costs for the rest of the world; of the costs per capita of
several countries below us put together. The statistical evidence of the health
of our nation's people verifies our system, for all its costs is not
working as well as is should or could for the majority of us. So Obamacare is
not perfect? Then Congress, fix it or offer alternatives, instead of the
transparent political games you are playing. Face this real national need and
dozens of others being unmet. Congress, you are the problem.
GOP staffers in DC are protected under the Affordable Care Act, meaning, they
don't have to go out and be apart of the exchange process, because if they
had to, many would leave their jobs; and GOP is silent on this. If they are
really against the law, drop it for yourselves and staff. My congressman (pro
life) voted to keep Teri Shiavo alive forever on life support and who knows
what the cost would have been for that.
Impeachable acts that have damaged our government.
Quick question: how many LDS have put their missionary children on their
insurance since it's been permitted for them to do so? Or added any of
their children under the age of 26 who were eligible? Hands up!!! Thank
you...That was brought to you by the ACA also known as Obamacare.
"You cannot claim to be a Christian and vote against food stamps or
healthcare for the poor."You had better do just that when the
government is involved. This has little to do with taking care of the poor and
is all about power and greed, and giving up your personal liberty in the name of
taking care of the poor. Until this date, no government program has enslaved
more people than Food Stamps. Obamacare will without a doubt change that.Where did anyone get the idea that taking resources from one person to
give them to someone else is charitable?We are $17 Trillion in debt.
Where are we going to get the money to pay for even more entitlements? Right
now, our debt is so big that we are barely able to service the interest. And
who do you think they will take the money from to do it?
The worse abuse for the American people have been the healthcare law (Obama
care) which was passed without it being known what was in it. A president
should not sign off on a law that isn't known how it will become
implemented. It's like writing a blank check for a jewel thief. It is
bullying the people. It's time to stand up to this type of
tyranical government. Good for politicians who won't be bullied by the
@ Cincinnatus, Romneycare was implemented by Romney. It is 7 pages long and
puts the onus on the individual to pay his own medical bills, and rewards him
for getting health insurance. It is run on a state level.Obamacare
is almost 3,000 pages long, is not sustainable, gives the government power over
you and your choices, and regulates insurance and healthcare providers to the
point to where they will eventually be forced out of business. This will
eventually leave one health care provider. The United States Government. Are
you really willing to compromise your freedom so that the government can force
someone else to pay your medical bills?
It's okay for people to call this "Obummercare" but you cannot
allow me to call them political Neanderthals. Be consistent, you people who edit
and turn down comments. Calling them political neanderthals is pretty mild
compared to them insulting the President.I regularly see these kinds of
name-calling of Obama on the Des news comment columns.