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Published: Thursday, Sept. 19 2013 10:45 p.m. MDT

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localblue
Sandy, UT

To those blaming Hadley, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Hadley is guilty and should be punished as he is. But I'd ask those who support what the Ute fan did if they'd be fine having cameras on every street post monitoring every individual and reporting constantly and infractions. It should be fine, right, because we'd only be caught if we did something wrong. Better yet, how about the govt monitors everything we do and punishes those who commit violations. We could quickly make society perfect, albeit against everyone's will.

The point is Hadley made a mistake but rather than having some jilted Ute fan disclose this during rivalry week Hadley in an ideal world should have the option to either live with his infractions (and the guilt for doing so) or come forward of his own volition. The fan should have sent this directly to Hadley and let him decide what to do. Distributing it via email to compliance officers is cowardly because this is an honor code violation, not a violation of the law.

Having said all this, I'd guess BYU fans are generally far more the tattle tell types.

Trouble
Vancouver, WA

For any who suppose that there were NCAA violations, please cite the rule number and code section.

Secondly, we all need to remember that what happens in Vegas is supposed to stay in Vegas!

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

localblue

Scott Van Pelt of ESPN wasn't nearly so polite in lambasting the Utah tattletale - he thought it was such a classless act, that he hoped the tattletale's team lost by a hundred points to BYU.

News For U
Sandy, Utah

Y's little brother

"Scott Van Pelt of ESPN wasn't nearly so polite in lambasting the Utah tattletale - he thought it was such a classless act, that he hoped the tattletale's team lost by a hundred points to BYU"

Let me ask you this: If you were in Las Vegas and saw Spencer Hadley at a night club drunk. Would you not turn him in for violating the honor code? It sounds to me like you value "wins" more than integrity when it comes to the honor code. If Y fans are blaming this U fan for turning him in, then BYU might as well drop "honor" out of "spirit, tradition, and honor" because apparently there is no "honor" when it comes to making exceptions for student athletes that violate the honor code. Hadley and the booster should be blamed first. Hadley should not have been in Vegas!

News For U
Sandy, Utah

@ Trouble

"For any who suppose that there were NCAA violations, please cite the rule number and code section"

Here is the citation: NCAA bylaw 12.1.2.1.6, which says, "Preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual's athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete, unless such treatment, benefits or services are specifically permitted under NCAA legislation"

That was the NCAA rule that was broken and will likely be investigated. If this is true about the BYU booster, then BYU will be facing some heavy sanctions.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

What about all that fluff I heard growing up "In the world but not of it"?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@skewed news for you

No one at all has suggested there was an ncaa violation except for the snitch utah "fan". No evidence of an ncaa violation has been shown in anyway. And now the utah "fan" has gone into deep cover and has not released anymore of the supposed photo's he claims to have.

The ncaa has not announced an investigation and it has been reported that BYU has not contacted the ncaa about a violation. Like all utah "fans" you are hoping that is the case, and if it was I can assure you Hadley would not be out for only 5 games, he'd be completely off the team as BYU would not tolerate that.

Go back to living in your petty and vindictive utah "fan" basement.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

Max Hall had a clear understanding of the average ute fan and this exercise just puts that truth on display for all to see.

The problem is not that Hadley's conduct became known... I think all BYU fans are okay with that and the corresponding punishment... The school has rules...The problem is with the way it became known and the timing of when it became known.

Many of the ute fans on this board are acting in their typical pious fashion claiming that BYU fans seem to be more upset with the snitch rather than the infraction... All the while knowing that this behavior is not a suspendable offense for the player's of the taxpayer's school on the hill. In addition to that, this same group of hypocrites openly suggest that the snitch is probably a BYU student wanting to settle a personal score with Hadley (despite the admission of the snitch himself)... But of course they are willing to accept as fact this snitch's allegation that the partying was being done with other BYU Boosters in violation of NCAA rules.

Seems to me that Max's adjective "classless" may even be an under-estimation.

Trouble
Vancouver, WA

@ News,

Thanks for the citation. You the only one who's bothered to mention it. However, now that you've identified the rule, the facts of this case don't fit it at all. There's no evidence of a benefit (partying and getting drunk doesn't benefit anyone), and no evidence of a booster. I've heard others mention a name, but anyone who facilitates a Vegas nightclub soiree isn't a BYU booster by the NCAA's definition.

The overriding issue here isn't Hadley. If that's him in the photo, he deserves the suspension.

The issue is the fan who ratted him out for self-serving reasons. The fan has no duty to inform anyone. The law doesn't require it, neither does BYU's honor code, even if the fan Is a student or employee of the Lord's University. What the fan did is undeniably unethical under any circumstance.

iNKSpot
Wilsonville, OR

What happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas?

ekute
Layton, UT

I don't think that this is the "exposure" that the church was looking for. Neither is the response of the "fans". How embarrassing.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@ekute

I totally agree ekute... I think that your's and your fans behavior are a huge embarrassment to the University and to the rivalry itself... We would be grateful if you would get them in line...

News For U
Sandy, Utah

@ Duckhunter and Trouble

Reread my previous comment! I said "IF THIS IS TRUE about the BYU booster, then BYU will be facing some heavy sanctions"

I'm not saying he was giving Hadley any special benefits. But this Utah fan that sent the pic in an email was making a strong observation based on what he saw at the night club. This party could have been thrown for Hadley as his name on the banner was displayed, immodestly dressed woman, and alcoholic beverages in the picture indicates. I could see why this Utah fan could have come to that conclusion of a possible NCAA violation. Nobody knows for sure what happened that night in Vegas. That is why the NCAA could investigate this and the answers will then come to pass.

Scott Farcus
Beaver, UT

@Trouble

You wrote;
"The overriding issue here isn't Hadley. If that's him in the photo, he deserves the suspension."

And followed with;
"The issue is the fan who ratted him out for self-serving reasons. The fan has no duty to inform anyone. The law doesn't require it, neither does BYU's honor code, even if the fan Is a student or employee of the Lord's University. What the fan did is undeniably unethical under any circumstance."

So your telling me that the Y's Honor Code doesn't mean anything to you?

If you believed in the Honor Code you should respect it enough to expect all students and faculty to live it.
This is a bilateral contract signed by students and faculty AFTER a Bishops interview to attend BYU.

If you disagree with this, the word HONOR needs to be dropped from campus policies and also taken off the football field, Spirit is now in question and Tradition may become your repetitious ignorance.

raisedaute
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hmmmmm some anonymous Ute fan has all the details of his trip down on a boosters plane, where they were staying and the places they attended complete with photos. Don't you Y fans find that a bit to much of circumstance.
Sounds like a personal jealous friend or GF of Hadley's otherwise how would A Utah fan have these details? This photo could have been by chance but the details surrounding this are to much for a chance encounter in Vegas.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

Don't want your Linbacker suspended? Have him live up to the HONOR CODE he SIGNED.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

It is time, once and for all, for BYU to end this rivalry.

This type of nonsense will only escalate over the years, as Utah seems incapable of ever moving beyond BYU.

The nastiness and vitriol which is spewed between communities and fans is unbearable.
How anyone can find an ounce of redeeming value in this rivalry is beyond me.

It's is nothing more than another avenue for to bash the Church and it's people.
Enough!!

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