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  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:23 a.m.

    It is time, once and for all, for BYU to end this rivalry.

    This type of nonsense will only escalate over the years, as Utah seems incapable of ever moving beyond BYU.

    The nastiness and vitriol which is spewed between communities and fans is unbearable.
    How anyone can find an ounce of redeeming value in this rivalry is beyond me.

    It's is nothing more than another avenue for to bash the Church and it's people.
    Enough!!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    Don't want your Linbacker suspended? Have him live up to the HONOR CODE he SIGNED.

  • raisedaute Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    Hmmmmm some anonymous Ute fan has all the details of his trip down on a boosters plane, where they were staying and the places they attended complete with photos. Don't you Y fans find that a bit to much of circumstance.
    Sounds like a personal jealous friend or GF of Hadley's otherwise how would A Utah fan have these details? This photo could have been by chance but the details surrounding this are to much for a chance encounter in Vegas.

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    @Trouble

    You wrote;
    "The overriding issue here isn't Hadley. If that's him in the photo, he deserves the suspension."

    And followed with;
    "The issue is the fan who ratted him out for self-serving reasons. The fan has no duty to inform anyone. The law doesn't require it, neither does BYU's honor code, even if the fan Is a student or employee of the Lord's University. What the fan did is undeniably unethical under any circumstance."

    So your telling me that the Y's Honor Code doesn't mean anything to you?

    If you believed in the Honor Code you should respect it enough to expect all students and faculty to live it.
    This is a bilateral contract signed by students and faculty AFTER a Bishops interview to attend BYU.

    If you disagree with this, the word HONOR needs to be dropped from campus policies and also taken off the football field, Spirit is now in question and Tradition may become your repetitious ignorance.

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter and Trouble

    Reread my previous comment! I said "IF THIS IS TRUE about the BYU booster, then BYU will be facing some heavy sanctions"

    I'm not saying he was giving Hadley any special benefits. But this Utah fan that sent the pic in an email was making a strong observation based on what he saw at the night club. This party could have been thrown for Hadley as his name on the banner was displayed, immodestly dressed woman, and alcoholic beverages in the picture indicates. I could see why this Utah fan could have come to that conclusion of a possible NCAA violation. Nobody knows for sure what happened that night in Vegas. That is why the NCAA could investigate this and the answers will then come to pass.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 21, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    @ekute

    I totally agree ekute... I think that your's and your fans behavior are a huge embarrassment to the University and to the rivalry itself... We would be grateful if you would get them in line...

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    I don't think that this is the "exposure" that the church was looking for. Neither is the response of the "fans". How embarrassing.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Sept. 21, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    What happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas?

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 21, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    @ News,

    Thanks for the citation. You the only one who's bothered to mention it. However, now that you've identified the rule, the facts of this case don't fit it at all. There's no evidence of a benefit (partying and getting drunk doesn't benefit anyone), and no evidence of a booster. I've heard others mention a name, but anyone who facilitates a Vegas nightclub soiree isn't a BYU booster by the NCAA's definition.

    The overriding issue here isn't Hadley. If that's him in the photo, he deserves the suspension.

    The issue is the fan who ratted him out for self-serving reasons. The fan has no duty to inform anyone. The law doesn't require it, neither does BYU's honor code, even if the fan Is a student or employee of the Lord's University. What the fan did is undeniably unethical under any circumstance.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 21, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Max Hall had a clear understanding of the average ute fan and this exercise just puts that truth on display for all to see.

    The problem is not that Hadley's conduct became known... I think all BYU fans are okay with that and the corresponding punishment... The school has rules...The problem is with the way it became known and the timing of when it became known.

    Many of the ute fans on this board are acting in their typical pious fashion claiming that BYU fans seem to be more upset with the snitch rather than the infraction... All the while knowing that this behavior is not a suspendable offense for the player's of the taxpayer's school on the hill. In addition to that, this same group of hypocrites openly suggest that the snitch is probably a BYU student wanting to settle a personal score with Hadley (despite the admission of the snitch himself)... But of course they are willing to accept as fact this snitch's allegation that the partying was being done with other BYU Boosters in violation of NCAA rules.

    Seems to me that Max's adjective "classless" may even be an under-estimation.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    @skewed news for you

    No one at all has suggested there was an ncaa violation except for the snitch utah "fan". No evidence of an ncaa violation has been shown in anyway. And now the utah "fan" has gone into deep cover and has not released anymore of the supposed photo's he claims to have.

    The ncaa has not announced an investigation and it has been reported that BYU has not contacted the ncaa about a violation. Like all utah "fans" you are hoping that is the case, and if it was I can assure you Hadley would not be out for only 5 games, he'd be completely off the team as BYU would not tolerate that.

    Go back to living in your petty and vindictive utah "fan" basement.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    What about all that fluff I heard growing up "In the world but not of it"?

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    @ Trouble

    "For any who suppose that there were NCAA violations, please cite the rule number and code section"

    Here is the citation: NCAA bylaw 12.1.2.1.6, which says, "Preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual's athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete, unless such treatment, benefits or services are specifically permitted under NCAA legislation"

    That was the NCAA rule that was broken and will likely be investigated. If this is true about the BYU booster, then BYU will be facing some heavy sanctions.

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Y's little brother

    "Scott Van Pelt of ESPN wasn't nearly so polite in lambasting the Utah tattletale - he thought it was such a classless act, that he hoped the tattletale's team lost by a hundred points to BYU"

    Let me ask you this: If you were in Las Vegas and saw Spencer Hadley at a night club drunk. Would you not turn him in for violating the honor code? It sounds to me like you value "wins" more than integrity when it comes to the honor code. If Y fans are blaming this U fan for turning him in, then BYU might as well drop "honor" out of "spirit, tradition, and honor" because apparently there is no "honor" when it comes to making exceptions for student athletes that violate the honor code. Hadley and the booster should be blamed first. Hadley should not have been in Vegas!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    localblue

    Scott Van Pelt of ESPN wasn't nearly so polite in lambasting the Utah tattletale - he thought it was such a classless act, that he hoped the tattletale's team lost by a hundred points to BYU.

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 21, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    For any who suppose that there were NCAA violations, please cite the rule number and code section.

    Secondly, we all need to remember that what happens in Vegas is supposed to stay in Vegas!

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 2:29 a.m.

    To those blaming Hadley, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Hadley is guilty and should be punished as he is. But I'd ask those who support what the Ute fan did if they'd be fine having cameras on every street post monitoring every individual and reporting constantly and infractions. It should be fine, right, because we'd only be caught if we did something wrong. Better yet, how about the govt monitors everything we do and punishes those who commit violations. We could quickly make society perfect, albeit against everyone's will.

    The point is Hadley made a mistake but rather than having some jilted Ute fan disclose this during rivalry week Hadley in an ideal world should have the option to either live with his infractions (and the guilt for doing so) or come forward of his own volition. The fan should have sent this directly to Hadley and let him decide what to do. Distributing it via email to compliance officers is cowardly because this is an honor code violation, not a violation of the law.

    Having said all this, I'd guess BYU fans are generally far more the tattle tell types.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    goutahutes--

    "It is funny that all the outrage is about the Ute fan that reported the incident. But the focus of the blame should be on the player for putting himself in that situation. If a booster does prove to be involved, he and the booster put the program in a bed spot, not the reporting Ute Fan. It is funny how fans would rather turn a blind eye and shift the blame else where."

    Here's another obvious point conveniently absent from the usual group of finger-pointers and that's the level of selfishness it requires to both knowlingly decide to do break what's essentially valued beyond anything else at byu in any capacity/ deliberately following through w/said decision....I don't assume he was even selfless enough to realize the impact his choice would potentialy create, were it to later surface, which to most would basically be inevitable, and in fact actually it one, single thought if he in fact was aware of it, but this act represented the consummate anti-team, individualistic all about #1 example of selfishness any single player could commit, but even more reprehensible considering his tenure/status--

    [Cont'd]

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    "I am a die hard Utah Utes fan and have pictures of BYU Linebacker Spencer Hadley..."
    I think this is really a BYU student writing this letter.

    Look at how doing the right thing -- bringing attention to a violation -- is treated down south. The whistle blower is labeled a "snitch" and talked about with disdain. Any BYU student would be hesitant to speak up, for fear of being outcast.

    No college student makes a trip to a Las Vegas party without his friends, family, or teammates knowing about it. The whistleblower isn't some "Ute spy" -- its someone who was there; someone on the inside. I don't blame them at all for signing the letter "die hard Utah Utes fan". It is the perfect diversion.

  • goutahutes Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    It is funny that all the outrage is about the Ute fan that reported the incident. But the focus of the blame should be on the player for putting himself in that situation. If a booster does prove to be involved, he and the booster put the program in a bed spot, not the reporting Ute Fan. It is funny how fans would rather turn a blind eye and shift the blame else where.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:49 p.m.

    The sad thing, as I see it, people using this 'incident' to justify their own petty cognitive biases.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    I am certain the U did the right thing.

  • Stenar Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:55 p.m.

    This isn't just a matter of the honor code. Hadley also violated NCAA rules.

  • JCC75 SEATTLE, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    Max Hall was sooooooooooo right! Just this much more motivation for BYU to beat Utah!

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    Okay Cougar nation...

    Playing the victim/persection card is weak. Even weaker & bordering on pathtic is caliming "Max was right". If anything, it NEGATES that theory. It speaks volumes that byu fans are using this to rally the base.

    There is some speculation that the tattletell was not a Utah fan. It was posted on a byu comment board but taken down then came the suspension. Interesting; don't you think?

    What is incredulous is its just a 5 game suspension. Its been said that a picture is worth 1000 words... Well the one on the internet is worth 1479 IMO

    That said, I don't blame Hadley for acting like a guy in his early 20's. But, he should have been way more catious considering his belief system and who he represents.

    The ironic thing is maybe byu is a legacy program.. You know stuff like this happens in Tallahassee, Austin, Norman, Coral Gables, Ann Arbor, LA, etc...

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    This Ute fan, who obviously thought to hurt BYU, just gave the cougars a huge emotional boost heading into the rivalry game. Who ever you are...thanks for the help...go cougars...!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    Hey It's Me:

    He's a return missionary.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    @BleedCougarBlue

    What I DO have a problem with (a huge problem!) is the UofU supporter who sent the pix to Utah.

    That is beyond dirty. Coincidence on the timing? Yeah, right....

    -------------

    I agree the Ute that partied with Hadley shouldn't have snitched.

    But can someone please tell me how the Honor Code violations on BYU campus get reported?

    And no the policing unit isn't the Crimson Club.

    Go UTES!!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    Anyone have some photos of Ute players partying a little too hard? LOL

    Much ado about nothing except for the timing of this event and its viral nature. Hadley got what he deserved. There's nothing more to discuss except the way the Utes got the pictures.

    Is Darren Lucy Chris B????? LOL

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    Evidently what happens in Vegas DOESN'T stay in Vegas anymore.

    So much for that cliché.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    I love all you byu fans that think partying with a booster and breaking ncaa rules is justified because of how it was brought to light.
    Wait until you find out Bronco knew about this for quite some time but swept it under the rug.

    You sound just like the folks at Ohio State, Penn State, Florida and all the other schools when violations started to be reported on. You're in good company.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    For all those who care, the picture was a posed picture with a group of people holding up letters spelling out "SPENCE". There was no "spying" or anything clandestine.

  • AZ i see it GILBERT, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    BlueCoug

    Easy! I certainly don't hate Harvey & Keilani. I never said they weren't heroic and/or outstanding young people.
    The facts (not half-truths)remain:
    - they were not married
    - they were having sex (or at least did once)
    - they were actively participating in their sports at BYU while that was happening
    I wish them the best of luck with their young family.
    The only speculation here is you trying to "understand what I could possible imagine"?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    skywalker
    Palo Alto, CA
    azute1

    "I've not seen anything 100% conclusive surface which in fact actually identifies this alleged "snitch who happens to be a U Fan"?..."

    Transcript of the email sent to the U:

    "From: Darren Lucy
    Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 2:16 PM
    To: Kate Charipar
    Subject: BYU LB partying in Vegas with Booster

    I am a die hard Utah Utes fan and have pictures of BYU Linebacker Spencer Hadley..."

    Absent any hard evidence to prove otherwise, the snitch was a self-proclaimed "die hard Utah Utes fan".

    Live with it!

    How in the world could somebody such as yourself, while attempting to pass off as an irrefutable copy/paste of what you alone allege anonymously on an internet blog to in fact be an official transcript, even remotely expect me or anybody else on here to conclude anything conclusive regarding it, whatsoever?

    I'm being 100% dead-serious w/you, not talking trash. Do you not realize any one of us could've just simply made this up from the top of our head as we were typing, as well?

    Please alert me when something official surfaces, should I not see it, first. Thanks.

  • 3GrandKeys Walnut Creek, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    What's the penalty for a violation of the Vegas Code?

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    Wow! I'm surprised by how many BYU fans are more upset that Hadley got caught than by the fact that he violated the honor code and put BYU in a bad light. They seem to be saying it's okay to sin, just don't get caught.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    Not blaming either school for how they handled this. But "die-hard Ute fans" never seem to change, whether ratting on BYU players at just the right time, or in hateful and tasteless comments. Keep keeping it classy, Utes!

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    @Game Theory

    Reporting the Hadley incident isn't the issue. It's the improper motive.

    1) If the picture was taken back in August, why wait until this week to send it out?

    2) Did the photographer inform Hadley he would be taking his picture?

    3) Did Lucy inform Hadley he had it and would be sending it to Utah's compliance office?

    To inform him first would have been the classy thing to do. You don't spring it on him unexpectedly and you don't wait until your sure to derive some personal benefit from it. That's the unethical part of all of this.

    Never said I was a BYU fan. GO AGGIES!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    I don't often agree with Duckhunter, but I must agree with him on this issue. Including his what he said about the U fan who blew the whistle on Hadley.

  • toocoolforcoug Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    We know nothing of the person who sent the pictures and information other then the name they wrote. There is no concrete evidence that it was even a Ute fan. You can put anything you want when sending a message like that. For all we know it could have been a member of the media doing this just to stir the pot before the game. Who do you think is responsible for most of the UU BYU hype anyway? Most of you are being very obnoxious over something you have little to no information on. There are pics and that can't be denied. At this point we do not know, the who and why of it. So try and stay classy. I believe we are all tired of that line. Please lay the classless stuff to rest. Maxy is history and forgotten. Find something else to bring up.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    UtahBruin:

    The story that was first reported on Cougarboard, before Hadley was suspended, stated that Hadley had accepted benefits from the booster. Anybody from L.A. would know that this is an NCAA violation. The person that sent the first picture claimed to have further evidence that was never sent. Being in Las Vegas with a booster sure has implications of NCAA violations, even if there are none. If I am BYU, I would certainly want to make sure that the "partying with a booster" was only that. The NCAA held an investigation against UNLV for YEARS based on photos of basketball players hanging with gamblers, boosters, etc. The NCAA never proved anything, but it wasn't for lack of trying.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    When was the picture taken? Just weird that it came out this week. Still he is the only one to blame.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    I didn't see it say if he was LDS in the article. Yes he broke the honor code but some people are referring to his faith or religious beliefs . . . You can play for the Y and be non-member.

  • ordinaryindividual Springville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Let me start by saying I'm an absolutely die hard BYU fan. True blue, through and through.

    As far as this goes, I don't care how or when it came out. If Hadley is guilty of the alleged offenses, he deserves to be suspended, and probably for longer than 5 games. He chose to represent a school and a coach with high moral standards, and if the allegations are true, he failed to do that. Bronco was right to suspend him. Stop worrying about who "tattled" on him and when and why. He broke the rules. He deserves the suspension, and I sincerely hope he can get things straightened out. There are things bigger than football.

    Now, on to Saturday. Let's re-focus and get the "W", Cougars!!

  • RedUtes08 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    So sad that some BYU fans care more about a young man getting away with a mistake he made than taking responsability for his actions. what kind of civility is that? It doesnt matter if it was reported by a Utah fan, an aggie fan, or a notre dame fan. What he did (allegedly) was against the rules, so there needs to be consequences. Im sure he understood that when he did it. To hear some BYU fans say, "the guy should have left him alone, and minded his own business" this makes me absolutely sick!! people need to take accountability for their own actions!!

    I don't say this to stick up for the guy who ratted him out, I say as a human being who wants people to grow up and be responsible. Our society is going down hill, fast.

    GO UTES! and best of luck to BYU the rest of the year!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "By for Utah fans to now turn to spying on rivals, holding onto the evidence until rivalry week is low - very low."

    For someone to put this on all Utah fans is also uncalled for and unfair. As far as anybody knows, it is one person and nobody really knows who that person is. Nobody knows this ONE person's motivations and what their affiliations are.

    Keep it in perspective

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Before y "fans" comment further about what they don't know, and to anyone else who would like to see the actual photo (which shows Hadley holding up a bottle of champagne) and the original e-mail that identifies the booster he was partying with (along with a lot of other people) and raises NCAA issues, go to Deadspin.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    re: email from Darren Lucy to Kate Charipar

    Darren Criss and Lucy Hale hosted the 2013 Teen Choice Awards on August 12, 2013...

    coincidence?

    It's doubtful a real "Darren Lucy" even exists.

    Anybody chasing him/her, is chasing a ghost.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    The suspension of Spencer Hadley is a blow that hurts BYU. The possible dirty trick by a UofU fan should energize BYU. Since I'm new to Utah I have no idea about Max Hall. I'm guessing its about Utah doing virtually anything for them to win.Could someone explain what Max Hall said?

  • GoDucks! Portland, OR
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    If BYU athletes want to be normal college kids and party & fool around (and by all means they should, they are still young adults after all) they should not choose to go to BYU. I would never play for a school where the silly actions of one can harm the entire team. Look at the B. Davies incident. He probably cost Jimmer & BYU a shot at the elite 8 and possible final 4! They need to find another way to punish the individual w/o punishing the team. Reduce their scholarship or something (i have no idea what would be fair). I know other schools have suspensions, but usually only for criminal behavior not completely legal and normal actions for a college student.

  • downunder south jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    Please end this rivalry. With each passing year the hype gets crazier and more obnoxious. Let Utah go away and deal with their pac 12 mediocrity.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    U Grad Manning a Cell Phone Kiosk in Fashion Place Mall, what would I do? For starters I wouldn't go to the Utah compliance office with it since it has no earthly thing to do with East Salt Lake in the first place, and #2 I sure wouldn't wait until BYU-Utah game week to act...unless of course I was a frantic U fan hoping to salvage something to cheer about in what will most likely be a repeat of last year's PAC standings and bowl invitations.

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    At least BYU has an honor code. What Spradely did was likely a very typical weekend for most utah players.

  • NT SomewhereIn, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    ...embarrassed yesterday to admit i ever attended the U...even more so today.

    I like that BYU has an "Honor" code - and that they will act on it when there are verified cases of those having broken their pledge of honor. Sad that the U cannot make similar pledges or claims.

    ...for this game...GO COUGS!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    Can't wait till this is all over and we can stop trying to find fault with each other.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    Y grad pumping gas:

    A question to U and the U faithful: When did U and your fellow fans realize that you didn't leave BYU behind?

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    As I've said before, Utes will to win is immeasurable. Football is just a game, and everyone I like stated priorities of Coach Mendenhall, & BYU's honor code. Cougs must, honorably, match their desire to win, their intensity, even their trickery, strategically speaking, as the game progresses.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    "no one knows when the incident in the pictured occurred."

    Big J:

    That's because the DNews refuses to publish it, quite unlike their other story that had y "fans" in an uproar.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    AZ i see it

    As a personal friend of Harvey and Keilani, I can tell you unequivocally that your false innuendos, half-truths, and pure speculation reek of hate-filled falsehoods that don't in any way reflect the heroic character of these two outstanding young people who sacrificed more than you could possibly imagine for their faith.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    Honesty is the best policy in the long run. Period.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    This is simply a product of living in a day and age where everyone carries a camera in their pocket.

    The poor woman who works at the U and passed this email on to BYU did exactly what she was supposed to do.

    BYU probably handled it exactly how they were supposed to.

    The timing on the submission of the pictures by Lucy is clearly fishy, but if he had submitted them earlier Hadley would still be out for the Utah game.

    I personally wouldn't have turned in photos at all, but there are plenty of fans from both schools who wouldn't hesitate to turn in photos of a player from the other school breaking rules.

    The BYU fans who are tripping over themselves to somehow twist their own player's honor code violation into evidence of Utah players or fans in general being at fault in any way- are just making themselves look ridiculous. If you think this should motivate BYU to "crush Utah" then you're probably the type of person who gets offended by 12 second videos of players horsing around in cold tubs.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    @jdub1942

    As mentioned, I wrote about MY experiences, although Max's are similar. I was at the "Beck to Harline" game as a member of the ROTC program who ran the ball from LES to Rice Eccles. During Halftime the Cougar Band Director asked us to watch their gear while they performed on the field for the halftime show. So we spread out and watched their gear. During halftime alone, all the incidents I mentioned early, plus another one that has to do with urine, occurred. It is just disappointing.

    I hope you enjoy the game at LES tomorrow. But I can assure you, there won't be any beer poured or splashed on you, nobody with make fun or your faith and urine will stay in the bathrooms. There may be some profanity (as there do exist non-LDS BYU fans) and I expect that from the 1% fan bases of both schools. My point is/was I was fine with Max's comments because they were based on his experiences. I have had similar and get easily annoyed with the UofU fan base. I know it goes both ways.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Having read all 99 comments to this point.
    Those who have a chip on their shoulder see wrong in the other school,fanbase or lifestyle.
    Those who don't see the proper handling of this by both the U of U and BYU.

    Where you are kind of shows you if you have a chip on your shoulder or you are not weighted down with your own burden.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    azute1

    "I've not seen anything 100% conclusive surface which in fact actually identifies this alleged "snitch who happens to be a U Fan"?..."

    Transcript of the email sent to the U:

    "From: Darren Lucy
    Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 2:16 PM
    To: Kate Charipar
    Subject: BYU LB partying in Vegas with Booster

    I am a die hard Utah Utes fan and have pictures of BYU Linebacker Spencer Hadley..."

    Absent any hard evidence to prove otherwise, the snitch was a self-proclaimed "die hard Utah Utes fan".

    Live with it!

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    A BYU PLAYER partakes in sinful acts in a vegas club, potentially violates NCAA rules (have you seen the photo? somebody shelled out a TON of money that night apparently for Spencer). BYU fans reaction? I hate Utah.

    Just a few days after the entire byu fan base screams for Utah players and staff to take responsibility for a video that they perceived as a shot at their religion, they try and redirect blame for one of their own players engaging in acts not very becoming of an lds member.

    Hipocrisy and double standard at its finest.

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    To all those Utah fans who are eager to point out the holier than thou self righteous hypocrisy of BYU fans:

    I have a secret to share. It's all an ACT. It's phony! The BYU fans pretend hypocrisy because they know it irks the Ute fans and drives them up the wall. They act that way on purpose just because it bugs you.

    It's like the big brother who always teases the little brother just because he can.

    So Ute fans, please don't fall for it anymore. STOP taking the bait. It's not real. They're just actors, pulling a prank on you.

    BYU fans aren't as hypocritical as you would like to think that they are.

    After all BYU IS the Lord's University, and they have standards, and an honor code to live up to.

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    "Here is the question I pose to the Cougar faithful; If you saw this event take place by Spencer Hadley what would you do?"

    Find a way to blame the University of Utah.

  • GameTheory Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    @Trouble
    "BYU fans would NEVER stoop to such unethical behavior. That's why they have the honor code!" what are you talking about? BYU students rat people out all of the time. With that statement, you are saying that reporting misconduct as it pertains to the honor code is unethical. Again, that begs the question, what does that make BYU students who rat out their friends? the obvious answer is unethical as well. Furthermore, BYU fans then they throw their perspective on people outside the school and outside the honor code and make judgments on people who simply don't have the same perspective, which by the way doesn't make them any less "holy" than you. OH ya but wait i forgot, that since you are a BYU fan you can't "stoop" to that level of unethical behavior, i must have been mistaken.

    This "Holier than thou" attitude has really manifested itself in this comment board. I agree that you shouldn't be "tattling" ,but i guess i just think its ignorant and prideful to get so mad that you are willing to call a fan base classless (which includes the President of the LDS church)

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    byu fans getting mad at Utah for one of their players violating the honor code (which apparently most of you could care less about), and calling the University classless for forwarding what they were told could be a possible NCAA violation is beyond absurd.

    If I were to guess what happened based of the reaction of (most) byu fans, I would guess that a gang of Utah fans and high ranking University employees hog tied Hadley, took him to a club and forced alcohol down his throat against his will, all the while Hadley was crying and saying "please dont make me violate the honor code"

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    @Trouble
    I couldn't disagree with you more. Please don't make blanket statements about either institution or those that align themselves therewith.
    Sincerely - All the fans of both sides that are rational about the rivalry.

  • gb13 Herriman, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    When I was young, I looked for "every opportunity" to get back at my older sister who was both smarter and wiser than me. So whenever I "had proof" of something she did wrong, I would quickly run to Mom and spill my guts in order to get my sister in trouble. One day she told me to go pick out the "best switch" that I could find. And I did. It was perfect -long and thinning at the end, and even made a noise when whipping it in the air. I thought to myself, now this will cause the appropriate pain that I have been looking forward to. After returning this stick to my mother, I was the one that was surprised. She used it on me! She could see right through my contemptuous act and let me have it. She told me that my crime (tattling) was worse than what my sister had done. My sister also paid the price, but not because of me. My mother had the wisdom to learn the facts and applied appropriate action - not because I provided professional courtesy in the matter. Sounds like Mr. "Darren Lucy" might be surprised in his actions.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    I have read a bunch of these comments and would like to point out a couple things that seem to be missed.
    1 Know one knows when the incident in the pictured occurred.
    2 Know one knows what Hadley was actually suspended for. What code violation(s).
    3 Hadley broke the honor code knowing full well he was doing it.
    4 I respect Davies for having the courage to come forward and own up to his mistake.
    5 Hadley and Unga tried to hide it. Unga got caught after the season although he violated the code during the season. Hadley just tried to get away with whatever he did.
    6 I’m not big on “tattle-tales” either Red or Blue.

    Go Utes!

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    "As I have read every single comment so far, there are VERY few BYU fans that say anything negative about the U for their role in this."

    Uhhhhhh read the top comments bud. Those comments saying, "Max was right" etc, are not being liked 40 times by Utah fans....

  • AZ i see it GILBERT, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    I say let BYU discipline their own... just don't question their timing.
    I'm no doctor, but am decent at math. Baby born late June/early July = "Honor Code Violation" (or at least the one that got her pregnant)actually happened in early October of the prior year. Having sex with your girlfriend is NOT against the honor code. Getting caught is. The Baby Daddy still played that whole football season & became the all-time leading rusher at BYU. Did they come forward after the bowl game... Nope! Baby Momma still needed to start 33 games for the BYU Womens bball team until they finished their WNIT Elite 8 run... Aaahhhh! Seasons are over. Time for repentance. Both Dad & Mom mutually withdraw from school 2 1/2 months before the baby is born. Works for me. Who cares if Hadley plays or not? I'm sure that mustache gets him half off at the door of most clubs. If Whitt insists on running at KVN, Utes lose. If Bronco thinks simply turning the lights on will produce the same team that beat Texas, BYU loses. Let's get it on!

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Oh and by the way. I do know of one very important person that saw the entire event.
    Are you Cougar faithful going to rationalize to him?

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Also, you Ute fans need to stop with the Hypocrite stuff. First of all you keep bringing up the video on you tube. No where was it ever said that a BYU fan brought it to Whits attention. And it was not a BYU fan that posted it. Just like Hadley, Blechen and his teammate made the video, they made their bed now sleep in it. So get off the Hypocrite garbage.

    What this guy did was classless. Hadley was already busted for a HC violation, so what did this really accomplish. Accept to stir the pot.

    The U Baptism video - Blechen and the teammates fault and all the others involved.

    Hadley Party - Hadleys fault

    The difference, one head coach and school handled it properly. The other tucked his head and tried to pass over it. You choose which did which. And for those U fans who did not think the Baptism mocking was classless, go back and read the article and see how many of your fellow U supporters agree it was classless. It mocked every religion out there that believes in immersion baptism. Joke or not, wasn't right

    Go Bruins!!!!!!

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Here is the question I pose to the Cougar faithful; If you saw this event take place by Spencer Hadley what would you do?

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    First of all, lets clear some things up. To party with a booster is not a NCAA Rules Infraction. The article doesn't mention Hadley receiving some form of benefit from this so called booster. So people keep talking about a NCAA Infraction, it is not against NCAA rules to hang out with a booster, it is only if Improper Benefits are received. The article didn't say anything about that. So it doesn't matter. Until proven, its a false alegation.

    Second, if it is Hadley that was partying, to what extent I don't know. Then he did violate the Honor Code and should justly be suspended, punished, however you want to say it. He made his bed now sleep in it.

    Third, if you are a Ute fan and don't think that what this guy did was classless, c'mon, really? It takes the cake of classless.

    Fourth, if you are a BYU fan and you don't think that the way the U handled it was classy, c'mon, really? They could have gone directly to the NCAAA and let them investigate it. Instead they are letting BYU deal with it direct.

    GO BRUINS!!!!!

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    CougarColby,

    "that in my profession (Military) would warrant military judicial punishment"

    Actually, having been in the millitary for 5 years, I have on many occasion been berated because of my religious beliefs (LDS) ever since basic training. I know that warrants military judicial punishment, but most of us aren't tattle tails (unlike my fellow utah fan in this story). But I'm enlisted, if you are an officer you might not see this kind of garbage.

    I for one am not inclined to believe Max Halls story, it sounds very made up and just used to get himself out of hot water. I'm sure some BYU fan got doused with beer at some time, but his story sounds false. I'll be at LES this weekend for the first holy war so I'll be able to see just how much class the other side has.

  • DMJ Newbury Park, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Just texted my son, a BYU student and an avid Cougar fan. "What do you think of all this Hadley stuff?"

    His reply, "What's Hadley?"

    So proud of you, son!

  • Stolo7 Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    This is exactly why utah will never do well in Pac 12. They can't count of the honor code violations to try and gain a competitive advantage. Outside of UC they won't win a single game in the Pac 12 south.

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    That a Utah fan would disclose this picture on the Monday before the rivalry game fits right in with the classless Ute fan stereotype. I wouldn't expect honorable behavior from anyone claiming to be a Utah fan.

    The focus of this issue rests squarely on the shoulders of this individual who chooses to take cheap shots at a rival team's player. This brings shame upon Mr. Lucy, his family and, by association, the red team he roots for.

    BYU fans would NEVER stoop to such unethical behavior. That's why they have the honor code!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    I neither have interest nor time to read through every comment, yet, although it's initially the most logical conclusion based entirely 100% on hearsay, alone, but I've not seen anything 100% conclusive surface which in fact actually identifies this alleged "snitch who happens to be a U Fan"?

    I understand why the tds fanbase, in particular, would presume it fact w/out question, merely due to the formal report having been brought to U Compliance, initially, before being rightfully forwarded to their tds counterpart.

    Worst case scenario, it's an isolated, fringe, self-proclaimed U fan who cowardly did what sh should have not been equally so cowardly to procrastinate diclosing, himself, instead! I generally don't judge young people and their youthful mistakes, but all of us are forced to learn this invaluable lesson in life, either way, and I wish this young man nothing but good luck!

    However, knowing the tds/fanbase generally would never be mistaken for contending to win any popularity contest, some deserved/some not, it literally could've been anybody, including a person affiliated exclusively w/byu, holding some sort of grudge! Or rather, somebody entirely unaffiliated w/either school!

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    From a big time BYU fan for decades and a BYU alum I plead with everybody on this board to talk with a neighbor who is of the other team's fan based and do so with respect. Become friends, get over the rivalry. Look past it. It's a football game! We are all the same deep down. This isn't a way to live. Please. To borrow from MLK - I have a dream that someday a man will not be judged by the color of his team's mascot, but by his character. It is sad that a rivalry between Universities can cause such hurt, division, and anger between people that really should be good friends. I have many friends and family that are red. To all those fans that can't get past it on both sides I plead with you to stop the hatred.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    JohnInSLC, you got it wrong my friend. Again, both this story AND the 'poor judgement' Blechen being baptized story were old news on the SLTribulation and sports radio before the DNews ever published them.

    GameTheory, take the comments of one, maybe two fans here who referenced Max Hall and lump the entire BYU fanbase into that mentality. What a display of ignorance. It's really OK to come out of the sand for air once in a while. Oxygen helps occasionally.

    Like most others, I have no beef with the UofU's handling of this situation, only disgust for the Lucy weasel who makes himself, as a Ute fan, look quite desperate and petty with his choice of compliance offices to send his e-mail to and his timing.

  • Tie Detmersh Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Why is everyone mad at the Ute fan? He is just supporting his team. I know many Cougar fans that would have done exactly the same. Hanging with a booster in a party environment is a "where there's smoke there's a fire" situation. The blame for this is squarely on the shoulders of Hadley and the booster. On a lighter note . . . How are we not all talking about Hadley's stylin' mustache?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Thank you thebigsamoan for being the voice of reason.

    Best of luck to you and your Cougars, after Saturday of course.

    Go Utes!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Utes home for the holidays:

    "Can you imagine the hysteria on the hill if a byu fan tattled on a ute for doing something legal(although albeit against honor code)?"

    2008 - Louie Sakoda and a bachelor auction for charity. Except byU didn't have the courtesy to report the minor incident to the Utah compliance officer, they turned it in directly to the NCAA. Luckily, Utah didn't make a big deal about it, they just took care of it before any NCAA repercussions.

    "The holier than thou self righteous hypocrisy has never been more prevalent than" watching byU "fans" respond to this story. Rail on your own player for breaking the rules and potentially getting the school in trouble with the NCAA. Don't blame it on the Utah fan base or the Utah compliance officer who was just doing her job. Why aren't you all mad at the byU compliance officer who turned him in to school authorities or the Cougarboard poster who outlined all of the facts of this case BEFORE the suspension was even announced or Hadley himself?

    Go Utes! Glad this lunacy will be over for two years!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    Maybe we should just live our standards and stop bragging about them and judging those that we consider to have lesser standards.

    Go Utes! Beat byu in their most important game in 4 years.
    Go Utes! Beat UCLA and win the PAC12 South.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    The issue with Hadley is clear - he broke the honor code and now must deal with the consequences. 99% of BYU agree with this - regardless of what Utah fans claim.

    My feelings regarding the I'll-do-anything-to-bring-BYU-down Utah fan are crystal clear as well - but the D. News won't allow me to state them.

    I for one wish the rivalry would simply go away.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    First, nobody knows who the "snitch" really is. I find it suspicious that a Ute fan would claim to the Utah compliance officer that he/she was a "Utah Utes fan". That is like saying "a San Francisco Forty Niners fan" when writing to the Niners office. It just doesn't ring true, but I may be wrong.

    Second, if there is no actual NCAA violations with what he was doing, I think the "snitch" should have kept their mouth shut, be it Utah fan or otherwise.

    Third, if there is an NCAA violation, byu fans should be happy byu was given the case so they can self report. Unlike what byu did to King Louie in 2008 when byu turned him in to the NCAA directly for the "bachelor auction" he participated in.

    Fourth, the Utah compliance officer was just doing her job. To wish harm on her or to hope she gets "cervical cancer" (Cougarboard post), is beyond sickening. This goes for Utah and well as byu fans. You can interpret that she took pleasure in reporting it to byu, and she may have personally (I don't know), but she was just doing her job.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    @sid 6.7

    Thanks for your positive comments. You are obviously a fan that is not part of the 1% that ruin the rivalry with spewed hatred and ugliness. Thanks again! Oh, and please let our "undermanned" BYU team beat you tomorrow so we can all have two years to dwell on it, haha!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    So much for "don't shoot the messenger"

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    @Stringer Bell
    Of course this guy is a Ute fan. Why in the world would a UNLV fan (or any other school for that matter) see a BYU football player and send pictures to the University of Utah?

    @GameTheory
    Max Hall (IMO) had every right to say what he did because of his experiences. At two functions in which BYU played Utah, his fiance and later wife had beer thrown over her and verbally abused. What happens with some Ute fans, is y'all make this into a "Mormon vs. Non-mormon" thing. Say what you will, but when alcohol is poored on someone or your players make moc-baptism videos, profanity laced slurs and abhorrent LDS related comments (that in my profession (Military) would warrant military judicial punishment)it tends to make you feel sick. What I just described was not necessarily Max Hall's experiences, but my own from attending two BYU vs Utah games at Rice Eccles (2006 and 2008). I know that these fans are in the minority, but it doesn't make it any better. It feels like because you don't have an Honor Code, your fans have to rub it in to feel better.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    And this is why I'm glad we won't have this balogna to mess with NEXT year.

    Doing away with the "rivalry" and all the associated antics from the fans... was the best thing to come out of BYU and Utah going to different conferences.

    Utah and BYU fans don't get along. That's fine, but some of the stuff lately is ridiculous. It feels like having to separate two kids who can't get along and can't leave each other alone in Sunday School class (separating the fans that is).

    I wish we could all grow up and be more mature about it.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    Hadley messed up, no problem with what BYU did. I have no problem with what the U did. As for the Ute fan who dimed him out.....get a life. I can't imagine how anyone could take pleasure in sticking it to somebody like that. We all make mistakes, myself included.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    To me, this is a non event. Who cares how it came to light. I violation of the Honor Code is a violation of the Honor Code regardless of how or how quickly it gets reported. I think no less of Utah at all. I'm sure the fan who turned it in had all kinds on giddiness about it but who cares. Bottom line is, the BYU player made a bad decision and will pay the price...a 5 game suspension. The price/reputation will go on and on, unfortunately. Fans need to chill out. This is a game between two teams who respect each other a great deal. I hope it's a great game with great plays on both sides of the ball. Yes, I hope BYU wins! GO COUGS!

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    You all know I am a Ute fan but this situation simply disgusts me! The U had to forward the info to the Y, that's not what I am mad about. I am mad about the pathetic person who aquired and sent the photos in the first place. As a Utah fan why would this person give one hoot about what goes on internally with the BYU team?

    Nice job Life Long Ute Fan, you just put the school you love so much in a no win situation! If Utah holds on to the info they are ethically wrong for doing so. If they forward it to BYU then they are trying to skew the game by having one of their best players suspended.

    I AM a Utah fan and when my Utes play the Cougars I want both teams at FULL STRENGTH! Kick the ball and for the following 60 minutes let the chips fall where they may!

    Sorry Ute Nation but if we win tomorrow the victory won't be nearly as sweet. And guess what? We as Utes will get to sit on that fact for the next two years.

    My prayers go out to both teams.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    "I have nothing but disdain for this utah "fan" that took the pictures and gleefully used them to "stick it" to BYU's football team. But people are lame, they prove it all of the time."

    Well said. BYU and Utah did the right thing in handling this situation. Hadley messed up and deserved to be held accountable.

    A lesson we all can learn from this:

    Anybody who tries/proclaims to live by a high standard is subject to prying eyes looking for every slip up. In today's digital world, just remember, there are weasels everywhere just waiting to make your next mistake a public disgrace.

  • GameTheory Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    So the BYU fans are calling Utah fans classless and making a point to agree with Max Hall;

    “ I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans. I hate everything....I think the whole university and their fans and the organization is classless”.

    I just want to make sure I’m Getting this right, you BYU fans are saying you hate U fans and their program because one of the U fans reported a potential NCAA infraction as well as a BYU honor code violation. Let me remind you that there are constant stories on the news and on the streets, of BYU students reporting others for honor code violations, and thats not including the regular debacles, such as the girl who was reprimanded for wearing skinny jeans while she was in the library.

    BYU fans are willing to point the finger at the U fans and say they are classes and that they hate them, when that one U fan is only doing what BYU students do every day (report violations), and for a more noble cause (NCAA infraction).

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Hadley went clubbing weeks ago. Lets hope BYU does their own 'clubbing' this Saturday! RUTS baby!

  • GameTheory Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    So the BYU fans are calling Utah fans classless and making a point to agree with Max Hall;

    “ I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans. I hate everything....I think the whole university and their fans and the organization is classless”.

    I just want to make sure I’m getting this right, you BYU fans are saying you hate U fans and their program because one of the U fans reported a potential NCAA infraction as well as a BYU honor code violation? Let me remind you that there are constant stories on the news and on the streets, of BYU students reporting others for honor code violations, and thats not including the regular debacles, such as the girl who was reprimanded for wearing skinny jeans while she was in the library.

    BYU fans are willing to point the finger at the U fans and say they are classes and that they hate them, when that one U fan is only doing what BYU students do every day (report violations), and for a more noble cause (NCAA infraction).

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    The university of utah compliance office did the correct thing by immediately forwarding this to the BYU compliance office, they did nothing wrong. Preston Hadley did something wrong and is now paying the price for his decision, I have no problem with that.

    I have nothing but disdain for this utah "fan" that took the pictures and gleefully used them to "stick it" to BYU's football team. But people are lame, they prove it all of the time.

    In the words of Morrisey "there is always someone, somewhere, with a big nose who knows, that will trip you up and laugh when you fall" obviously this guy lucy is one of those types. It is good to remember that there are people like lucy in this world and just not give them an opportunity to "trip you up" by remaining true to your word and your morals in the first place.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    I have no problem with the way the U handled this. I have no problem with the way the Y handled this. I have a problem (and by that I don't mean judgmental/I think he is a bad person, but he broke the rules and should face the punishment) with hadley. I don't have a problem with the U fan that reported the incident. I just have a problem with the timing and motivation. Had this come out when it happened, I would have been fine with it coming from a U fan.

    My only issues are rule breaking, motivation and timing. Everything else is fine. And before people keep calling cougar fans hypocrites over timing, I haven't seen or heard anything of the mock baptism video before today.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    It would be nice if Utah has half the spine byu did. How many times can players do drugs and fail drug tests before suspension on the hill?

    Spineless. Valueless.

  • brownderby Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    It is interesting that little Lucy chose to forward the video, but no one seems to have noted the origin of the video. "...a controversial, now-deleted YouTube video made by Ute players drew widespread attention" What were the U players doing at the bar? Yes, we know that the U doesn't have an honor code. But the whole thing stinks.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Something smells with this whole thing. Everyone is just assuming Mr. "Lucy" is a Utes fan because of the claim in the email. First, why would someone put that statement in the message with the photo in the first place? It appears very out of place to make that declaration in reporting this. Secondly, I don't know of any Utes fan, diehard or not, that calls themselves a "Utah Utes" fan. It's either one or the other. The only time I hear it is when a non-Utes fan references the school. I believe in time it may be revealed that Mr. Lucy may indeed not be a Ute fan or BYU fan but may have had other reasons to report this. Really folks, who out there (especially someone from another school) would be able to recognize a BYU football player among a crowd in Las Vegas?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    This was published in another paper yesterday and it was on the radio all afternoon.

    Now that we know what Hadley did and that not until he was caught did he admit to it, what say you byu "fans" that were so quick to judge Blechen in the "baptism" video?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    I'm not making an excuse for Hadley, he got what he deserved.

    By for Utah fans to now turn to spying on rivals, holding onto the evidence until rivalry week is low - very low.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    What is interesting is the university of Utah knew about SEVERAL failed drug tests before suspending Blechen. byu suspends a kid immediately for breaking a rule, not breaking the law.

    Ute players break the law and the entire university looks the other way until he's done it time after time?

    Just curious, how many times is it acceptable to do drugs and fail drug tests before action should be taken on the hill? I'd sincerely like to know.

  • Invictus323 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Hadley is suspended for five games. How does the timing of this effect his eligibility for Saturday's game? If it was reported before the season he would still be suspended.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    If the Cougars depth chart is what I think it is, losing Hadley for this game will be no problem. Did you hear...Chris Badger gets to play tomorrow. There's already enough motivation for the Y tomorrow without hashing about this story. It has absolutely no relevance whatsoever on the outcome of this game.

  • arand Huntsville, u
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    I respect BYU for their honor code, and no, I am not LDS. There are much more important things in life than ball games. That said, I am a big college football fan. I kind of like both teams but it is just sad that now, this game will not be played on even grounds.

  • BYU sports on TV in Missouri Lebanon, MO
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    University of Utah did the right thing by forwarding the information on to BYU. Right thing to do. I am sure that the UofU wanted no involvement in the first place.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    "Don't blame this on the DesNews."

    GoodOne:

    Wait, wasn't the DNews the one that made this public? The U didn't--it remained quiet until the paper asked and chose to run the story. And again, where's the photo? The DNews had no hesitation publishing the ice-bath video.

    Like it or not, the DNews has left out crical information to shape opinion.

  • BYU sports on TV in Missouri Lebanon, MO
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    I don't have any issues with someone passing along information about a player in violation of the Honor code. It doesn't matter than most schools would call Hadley's "violation" standard protocal on a recruiting trip. We know the rules, the players know the rules. And Coach Mendenhall doesn't mess around when it comes to enforcing the honor code. At BYU ethics are supposed to be more important than sports. I agree with the suspension.

    It does appear, however, that the timing of the notificaiton to the University was scripted in an attempt to create an advantage for the University of Utah.... That is just funny.... Shows that Utah fans are desperate.....They have accepted that the respective football programs are headed in opposite directions and the Utah players are not good enough to win the games without
    fan involvement. Wonder what they will try and dredge up when they play USC. Kiffen has beat them to the punch when it comes to bad behavior.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    As I have read every single comment so far, there are VERY few BYU fans that say anything negative about the U for their role in this. They obviously did the right thing by forwarding compromising evidence to BYU. Sure this guy sitting on pics right up to the game is obviously not a coincidence, but does it really matter? I don't agree that the public is in charge of policing the Honor Code, those who live by the Honor Code should be policing itself. BYU doesn't hire employees to go out to bars and clubs around Utah trying to find Honor Code violators. It is the HONOR Code.

    Thank goodness, however, for an institution like BYU that continues to deal with suspensions in a timely manner and refuses to let rivalry games or national standings (BYU Basketball) stand in the way of doing the right thing. This is in stark contrast to Penn State, Miami (the real U), Ohio State, USC, and the UofU. Hadley made a mistake and regardless of when it came out, he most likely would have been suspended for this game anyway. The UofU did the right thing and so did BYU.

  • ezrhino Lehi, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    As a BYU fan I am surprised people are upset with this situation on our side. The honor code is part of BYU and it's one of the things that I love about the school. To compete at this level and expect people to uphold a certain standard is cool. This is not a bad thing at all.
    I have always loved the rivalry, it's usually the fans on both sides that are the only bad thing about it. Everyone needs to chill, it's just a game.
    Go Cougs.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    I hope the University of Utah fans who comment here can accept that it is just a few BYU fans who blame the U of U for what they did. Ethically speaking they did the right thing.
    Also I hope they recognize it is only a few BYU fan's who haven't acknowledged that Spencer Hadley was wrong and it was good he was held to the Y's standards.

    Yes, I have seen a little hypocrisy in some of the comments. But for the most part the BYU commentors have supported the school in it's actions. Few have blamed the U of U for anything wrong.

    I have noticed a few Utah fans who support Darran Lucy and his timing, but most do not.
    I hope Utah fans can hold Mr. Lucy to the standards of ethical behavior you would want Y fans to hold.

    It's a sad note for both schools at an important time in the two schools relationships.

    Let's put an end to it now and be neighbors.
    I know, why don't we get together tomorrow and just have a friendly football game to put this behind us. Want to come?

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    So what are the alleged NCAA violations? Assuming Hadley is of age, which I think he is, I don't believe any NCAA rules were broken.

    What really bothers me here is that a fan can send a photo and allege that NCAA violations took place - thus requiring the U to notify BYU. However, we all know that this was simply a desperate act of a desperate fan to get a player suspended for an honor code violation, thus gaining an edge in the upcoming rivalry game. And you want to know why I can't stand fans of the opposing team?

    As far as Hadley, however, he got what he deserved. When he chose to "party" - whatever that means, he knew what was at risk. He got caught and now has to pay the price, along with all his teammates and all BYU fans everywhere. Hopefully he learns from this situation.

    Good luck to BYU. I am pulling for Tyler Beck to have a great game!

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    "People who wonder why this rivalry has turned ugly need look no further than this very newspaper."

    Good one SoonerUte. The DesNews was about the last journalistic organization in the world to report this or the Blechen 'baptism'. It was old news at the SLTRIB and sports radio before DesNews ever added it.

    Had the DesNews left it out you'd be ragging on them for that today too. Don't blame this on the DesNews.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    I think everyone just needs to calm down. Both BYU and Utah offices have way more on their mind than some meaningless football game. Don't get me wrong, I am super pumped for the game and love football. But when you talk to administration of both schools, they don't have ANY hatred or ill-will for the other school. What's done is done and I think we can ALL agree that what Hadley did was wrong because it broke the honor code that he signed. Both schools have strengths and weaknesses and people choose which school to attend based on the experience they wish to have. Let's keep things civil and level headed. Hopefully other fans won't be as stupid as making a big deal about an old video, and sending an old picture during rivalry week. In both cases there were questionable judgement and motives. It takes away from having a fun rivalry.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Eliot Genola, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    I will miss the BYU-Utah football game. Players on both teams fight hard to win and it is apparent that most respect each other as do the fans. There are an unfortunate few who lack respect and sportsmanship but they can be ignored so the rest of us can enjoy the game. As far as Hadley is concerned--I don't know what happened and it is none of my business to know what happened.

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    The thing that I really don't like about this is why did the papers get ahold of it? Why is this public? Why are we causing more speculation about what happened?

    Did Hadley, and only he, get invited to a booster's party? Not likely. So what's the real violation, because "partying" (BYU style) in and of itself is no problem? See where this leads... to none of our business.

    I'm not mad at the U or even the shady way this was brought to BYU's attention before the not-so-Holy War. But I don't like how the news exploits this.

    Spencer I will pray for you that you will have the strength to repent and overcome whatever challenge you're dealing with. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    This is plain and simple. Hadley did not follow HIS obligation to follow the honor code. HE had a choice. There was no date stamp on the photo so it could have been during the bye week for all we know. DO NOT take a double standard and place this upon the U. For all we know this was a concerned fan who was his brother's keeper and helping him out. I bet Hadley is grateful that someone brought this to light because now he can repent and improve. This is NOT about BYU and Utah, this is about Hadley, his decisions and now hopefully repairing what he needs to to move on.

    GO UTES!!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    TroyTown

    Not blaming the UofU for Hadley's mistake, the U was correct in forwarding the information to BYU as soon as possible, but the speed with which they handled this case versus the deliberate foot-dragging in cleaning up their own swimming scandal, does raise questions about the double-standard they seem to have on the hill.

    Tough lesson for Hadley, but hopefully, he'll learn from his mistake and come out of this a better man.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    I have no problem with Hadley being suspended if he really did what was alleged.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Let him play. There is enough out there on everyone that if all our pasts were put out there, nobody would be innocent.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    What the article failed to mention is how the writer found out about the e-mails and photo of Hadley (which is noticably absent), or any efforts to seek comment from y officials about what they'd do in similar circumstances. In fact, is anyone else still waiting for a pre-game story on which y "fan" found a month-old video online, shortened it to 12 seconds and posted it to YouTube the week before the game so the DNews could link it to another pre-game story?

    We'll be up all night waiting to find out why.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    I am sick and tired of this hate filled rivalry.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    To all Y fans: don't blame the messenger.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    LOL at all of the Y fans for trying to place the blame of Hadley's mistake on the shoulders of this tattling Ute fan.

    Yeah the timing is bad and in my opinion no coincidence, but this is what these players signed up for. Remember?

    Integrity = Doing the right thing when you assume no one is watching. Hadley forgot this lesson. I wish him the best and hopefully he can get back on track soon.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    If an Honor Code violation is committed and no pictures exist, is it truly an Honor Code violation?

  • LoveTheKittens The Middle Of, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Wow, reading these comments I guess the world now knows how the kitties regard the honor code. Explain to me how this has anything to do with the University of Utah, other than the schools actually respect each other. Utah received information, regardless of the source, and sent it directly to the correct party at BYU. There should be legitimate outrage if the University of Utah hid the information and sent it directly to NCAA, that would be underhanded and dastardly.

    Hopefully D4 will start soon and U and Y will never play again!

  • Tie Detmersh Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Darren Lucy!! You got some splainin' to do.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    If the University of Utah does not report an alleged NCAA violation and chooses to do nothing in response to the email from whomever, they are in the wrong, and in violation themselves. They did the right thing in handing it over to BYU. Blame Hadley and the booster (if the booster part is true). Hadley apparently copped to it, even with sketchy evidence.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    TroyTown

    The contrast is startling, considering the seriousness of the allegations in the swimming team abuse case versus the victimless nature of Hadley's case.

    It's sad that Spencer didn't use better judgement, but at least BYU didn't try to sweep the incident under the rug as so many other institutions would have done.

  • Fahrvergnugen Provo, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    @baddog
    I don't think you read what I said about some of the accusations being valid. Fact is, he broke the rules, and just like Brandon Davies, he's being given a chance to repent and rejoin the team after he pays the consequences. Who knows, maybe he'll be grateful one day that he was found out.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Regardless of the source of the information, it's nice to see that BYU handled Hadley's case expeditiously, particularly in light of the timeline for other recent cases:

    U of U Athletic Adminstration Scandal Response Time (in minutes)

    Internet tip regarding a player on your rival's football team (12 minutes)

    Letters and phone calls from parents alleging abuse of student-athletes representing your university (five years)

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Hadley made a mistake, now he and his team, and to a very small extent, BYU fans, will no realize the consequences. If at the end of the day, Hadley becomes a better man for it, then the ute booster, inadvertently, will have done all of us a good deed.

    I hope that most, if not all of us, care more for the life of one man than we do for the outcome of a game. That is a standard of truth that, I believe, will be applied to each of us. I hope we each will be able to measure up. Those are consequences that are eternal.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Another way of looking at this is accountability. Why didn't Spencer Hadley report and confess to the violations when they occurred if he was truly sorry for them? He didn't come forth at the time, and was therefore hoping to get away with it. Mendenhall & Hadley would probably agree that regardless of timing, Hadley broke the honor code and his trust with his teammates.

    The fact Lucy came forward during rivalry week is pretty weak and ridiculous, but lets not pretend that he represents the majority of ute fans. Utah has a few clowns for fans just as BYU does...I mean remember suspenders boy last year acting tough and stupid until he realized Bronco wasn't just going to take his verbal abuse? I love this rivalry but maybe it needs a break for awhile. Classlessness and the hatred emanating from it are assenine and I'm getting tired if it.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    I'm with motorbike on this one. I wanted these kids to play straight up and not have this hanging. Too bad.

    Could the stache have been the problem though?

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    @Fahrvergnugen

    Not a great bit of reasoning since the snitching came just prior to the big game. Timing is everything and for the U, it was perfect. Again, who knew what when has great impact on motives.

    And let's let the player exercise his right to repentance. I can look back in my past and see plenty of things I should have done differently. Or is everyone else perfect and I'm the only one not?

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    As if BYU needed more incentive to win this game.

    Let's not fool ourselves. The U administrators knew exactly what the were doing when they received the information. Perhaps they had been alerted several weeks ago that some information detrimental to their oppoent was on its way, coincidentally just prior to the rivalry game.

    Wrong is wrong and the player should sit. No issue there at all. But motives of those at U suggest they did the right thing for the wrong reasons. Sounds like the old "this is going to hurt me than it will hurt you" with the revelation.

  • ShellBelle Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    Way to go classy Utes. BYU should return the "professional courtesy" by allowing Hadley to play tomorrow and then serving a 4-game suspension.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    Contrary to many of the BYU posters above. I do NOT have a problem with the U fan sending the pix to the U administration. The timing was selfish and motivated purely by hatred for BYU but even if it was reported earlier he would probably be sitting out this game. If Hadley was in the wrong with his choices it should be reported. What I am upset about is that Hadley violated the Honor Code and didn't report it himself until he was faced with the evidence. A lack of judgement on both issues.

    We will miss Hadley in Saturdays game. Hopefully the young man will learn something from this experience and become a better person for it.

    Go Cougars!

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    I am just grateful we get a break for two years from the childish behavior of thousands all in the name of rivalry. Both sides are equally wrong. It is too bad that a few good fans on both sides have to be lumped with the majority of bad fans on each side. Maybe BYU WILL BECOME like BYU Idaho and give up all sports. Hoping I get to see that day. I believe it is coming.

  • Fahrvergnugen Provo, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    It's easy to throw accusations at the University of Utah compliance dept and Darren Lucy, and some of those are probably valid, but I hope no BYU fans feel that Spencer Hadley shouldn't be suspended. No matter who the snitch was, he broke the Honor Code and has to face the consequences. Whether this happened this week or the first week of the season, a 5 game suspension means he would be out for the Utah game anyway. Just some perspective...

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Tomahawk,

    Breaking the law with a DUI is a a crime against society that should be punished.

    You are in no way shape of form impacted by Hadley's decision to obey or not obey the honor code

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Re;Tomahawk Red
    You don't get it do you. He wasn't breaking the law, he wasn't hurting anyone. The "die hard ute fan" could have walked away telling his friends he has no respect for Hadley's behavior but to take him down?! To take pictures? When did it become his business to help enforce the honor code at school he hates?

    Since you're are talking double standard should we bring up "U swim gate"? Since the honor code is really the Mormon code, does you friend follow around mormon ute players and take pictures of them breaking their religious code of conduct and them send them to his Bishop?

    Stop defending YOUR GUY. He's no better than the player trying to take down Bo Pellini.

  • toocoolforcoug Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    Slow down there cougar fans. This wouldn't be an issue if had not done it in the first place. He has no one to blame but himself. As I tell my second graders. "Don't think you are going to get away with anything, some one will always see you do it and report it." In the day and age of advanced electronics do you really think you can be out in public and get away with things like that? It is sad to see this happen to anyone. I don't care what school you go to. He also puts the football program in a bad light by partying with a booster. (If that is true). It all boils down to personal responsibility. He should have to live up to the NCAA rules and Honor Code just like the rest of his team. The egos of some of the athletes these days in unreal. I'm not just talking about BYU I'm talking about everywhere.

  • rmads Orem, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:58 a.m.

    I'm a big BYU fan. Let's remember that it's Hadley that showed lack of class. Blaming this problem on anyone else is wrong.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    Brace yourselves, Ute fans.

    The tide of self-righteous hypocrisy coming out of Utah County is about to reach flood stage.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    Hold on just a minute BYU fans.
    What is classless about this? The article seems to state that the U forwarded the email to BYU minutes after receiving it, they didn't want it in their hands so they passed it along to BYU personnel so they could handle it. as for the fan taking the picture then sending it to the University of Utah when he could have just as easily made it public and posted it all over the internet and made this really embarrassing for BYU he kept it withing a small circle by sending it to the U's athletic department who did exactly what they should have done and forwarded it directly to BYU.

    The BYU fan base is full of hypocrites, you scream foul and cry and whine about a video of some Utah players goofing off in the ice tub then turn around and call a privately, discretely handled NCAA rules infraction by one of your players a low blow.

    Cant wait till next year when we don't have to play you any more.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:58 a.m.

    1. Who is Darren Lucy and why was HE at that party?
    Seems a little disingenuous to be complaining about someone doing what he himself was doing.
    2. How did Darren even know who Hadley was?

    There's more to this that a "helpful" whistle blower.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:51 a.m.

    If only Hadley had used some common sense! It's just too bad and so sad that he's put himself in this position! I'm sure he's sorry and hope he'll be a better man for it. As for the snitch that rad on him, well, what can I say? Some fans do the craziest things! I'm hoping it'll be a great game anyways. And may the better team win!

    Go Cougars! And good luck Utes too, after tomorrow's day of reckoning!!!

  • generalM Frannie, WY
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:36 a.m.

    Once again, admiration for BYU and its coaches for upholding the Honor Code. Sad for Hadley 1) that he did the deed and 2) that it hurts his college career. One must wonder about the timing, however.

  • AgVikBronc Preston, ID
    Sept. 20, 2013 5:27 a.m.

    Come on Y fans, who cares how it came out. The honor code is the honor code, if you care more about the game than the young man's integrity that is a shame. Yes people make mistakes, but when you make them at the Y it becomes national news and you let your team and your faith down.

  • collegestudent25 Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:52 a.m.

    The timing of all of this is suspect but there is only one person to blame.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Sept. 20, 2013 4:04 a.m.

    Wow this takes it to the gutter.

  • San Diego Orem, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:41 a.m.

    The issue could have been handled long back when it occurred. To give Utah an advantage by getting him suspended right before their game with BYU is really disgraceful and certainly a worse act than whatever Hadley did. Hopefully such a classless act will motivate the team to whip the Utes badly.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:06 a.m.

    Anyone ever notice that every time Utah is the underdog something like this happens so that all of the attention is on everything BUT the actual game? Some clown holds on to these pictures until the week of the game them spreads them around on the internet. Truly pathetic.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:02 a.m.

    Just a sad, sad chapter in this rivalry. I'll be so glad to not play Utah for a few years. In fact I'd be happy to never play them again. I think this is the most pathetic incident of them all.

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:55 a.m.

    Can you imagine the hysteria on the hill if a byu fan tattled on a ute for doing something legal(although albeit against honor code)?
    For a "fan" base that rails so much about the honor code, are they now the enforcers?

    The holier than thou self righteous hypocrisy has never been more prevalent than it is in the hill. This has little brother screaming "MOMMY" all over it.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    You BYU fans are unbelievable.

    If you don't like the fact that Hadley got suspended, why don't you place the blame on HIS shoulders? After all, wasn't HE the one who committed the violation of BYU's team rules and honor code?

    Is it really okay as long as you get away with it? You guys look ridiculous falling all over yourselves trying to string up the Ute fan who sent the photo of YOUR GUY breaking a team/university rule.

    So if a Utah player got a DUI but didn't get caught by the team, should he remain on the team in light of committing a serious violation?

    My guess is the double-standard BYU crowd would say no.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    If the alligation sent in the email is verified as apparently it was, BYU did the proper thing by their standards and Spencer Hadley knew it would be the result when he engaged in the improper conduct. That says it all for BYU and Hadley.

    Does this Mr. Darran Lucy feel good about having revealed this grave error, in time for the rivalry game? Does he think he is on moral high ground now? If he had it for some time it appears his motive wasn't in exposing the error so much as in causing the most harm with it. Why didn't he months ago send it to BYU rather than the U? The moral relativism that he has displayed is pathetic and worthy of disdain. I don't find fault with the U of U in this, just in one individual that does not deserve the label, "Die hard Utah Utes fan"

    Utah fan's, hit like if you think he should be kicked out of the "Die Hard Utah Ute fan club".

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:12 a.m.

    I have no problem with the U of U sending the pix to BYU.

    They kind of have to, especially since they were told the pix 'might' have involved partying with a booster, an NCAA violation, I'm sure. At that point, if the UofU knew about a violation but didn't do anything about it, the NCAA could possibly come after them as well.

    What I DO have a problem with (a huge problem!) is the UofU supporter who sent the pix to Utah.

    That is beyond dirty. Coincidence on the timing? Yeah, right....

    I hope BYU beats the living tar out of Utah now...the Utes deserve to be beat, and beat badly.

  • Arizona1 Tucson, AZ
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    The U did the right thing. As a college professor, I see kids cheat all the time and think it's okay as long as they don't get caught. As much as I love BYU, I'd rather they play clean--regardless of where the information came from that led to the suspension of a player.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    Just like the video of a potential mock baptism, posted over the summer, becomes an issue now during rivalry week. College kids make stupid choices. Always have, always will. If Hadley had not done something wrong (by BYU standards), there would be nothing to photograph. This all detracts from what most likely will be an awesome game. Cougs are favored by 7. I like my Utes underdog role!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    People who wonder why this rivalry has turned ugly need look no further than this very newspaper. Cougar fans weren't upset about a video made in August until this week, when the paper told them they should be upset. Now they're doing it again, with this newspaper trying to upset Cougar fans with tales of a photograph. We can't celebrate any good things about a rivalry, because those stories don't sell. Yellow journalism at its finest, on display here.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    So last year I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus, only Santa wasn't mommy's hubby. Would you call me classless if I reported what I saw? Maybe by doing so, I saved a marriage, and maybe by this young man getting outed, he can receive some help.. I'm kinda kidding there, because the only ones thinking a kid partying is wrong, is the Y. Anyway, Y fans said the same about Blechen, IF he could stay clean, then there wouldn't be a need to suspend him. Don't try and go back now and say you didn't. I don't agree with the way whoever did this, if fact, I wish they would let the kid play at least just this game. I don't want a black cloud hanging over the U victory on Saturday.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    IRS Agent

    "I wonder why the administration at the U didn't show the same "professional courtesy" to the girls on their swim and diving teams when a possible issue was brought to their attention. Makes you wonder what the real intention was with jumping right on the courtesy this time. Just sayin'."

    Your comment makes zero sense. Investigation your own program versus notifying other institutions of something you've been made aware of are two entirely different situations. If you really wish to whine about timing issues and people who are out to get the other team, where were you when the cougar fans picked this week to make a giant deal of the "baptism" video even though it was something done a month ago and had zero to do with BYU? I love how you Cougar fans pick and choose what's convenient for yourselves to justify your hatred of all things UofU.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    Is it a coincidence that a GRAMA request was granted and information sent within 3 hours? That is the fastest in human history. I'm sure it was simply a coincidence.

    Check out Kate's twitter page. She did not send this to BYU for altruistic reasons. I can't believe how quickly the U circles the wagons....including the swim team.

    Max was right!

  • Jaydawg Salem, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    Nice to see that the U doesn't worry about BYU....Oh wait! Thanks for helping keep the Y in line, how pathetic!!!

  • canadiancougar624 Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    Hm.. Seems like someone needs to get a life

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    Pretty lame of my so called fellow Ute fan if you ask me. Whether the honor code or even if the booster rumor has legs, I still think it's dumb for fans to get involved and start tattling on players.
    Personally I'd have preferred seeing BYU at their absolute best with Hadley in the lineup.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    And all along I thought Max Hall was wrong...