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Published: Thursday, Sept. 19 2013 4:50 p.m. MDT

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Cleanliness
Salt Lake City, UT

I think this article really touches on BYU's intent. When you play for a sports team, you decide to at times place yourself in the public eye to a certain degree. The crime against privacy and compassion is committed by the comment boards, not BYU. When we speculate about what happened, we are the ones guilty of gossip and judging.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

"Because BYU would have missed out on reiterating its message."

But instead, it chooses to put its "message" (whatever it is) ahead of what might be good for a person. This is decidedly antithetical to LDS doctrine outside of Provo. It is understood that when a person plays for a team, they will be subjected to some degree of public scrutiny for good or ill, but that doesn't give the institution license to trot out a person's personal foibles, or to imply the nature of their personal mistakes for its own self-aggrandizement. The Brandon Davies incident was an even more shameful example.

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

VAAggie, Do you know who the chairman of the board of BYU is? A man named Thomas Monson. Trust me, if he wanted something important changed at BYU, he would change it. If you disagree with him that is certainly your right, but for me and my house, we'll trust President Monson knows that he is doing.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

Aggie238: you missed the point. The institution has NEVER "trot(ted) out a person's personal foibles." Nor has the institution ever "impl(ied) the nature of their personal mistakes for its own self-aggrandizement." The institution has simply stated that a player has been suspended for an Honor Code violation. Others have then dug up the dirty details.

What's your beef with BYU that causes you to misrepresent the facts?
And how is BYU saying he is suspended for an Honor Code violation really any different than if it had been for "violating team (or university) rules?" You know, like every other team in the nation does?

earthquakejake
Logan, UT

I'm amazed at deseret news for some of the comments that get denied on here.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

Aggie238 - "The Brandon Davies incident was an even more shameful example."

And even more shameful were the taunts hurled at Davies by the student section in Logan, many of them LDS. If I was an Aggie fan, I'd stay off the radar when it comes to using Davies to "trot out a person's personal foibles."

LivinLarge
Bountiful, UT

Hadley was good but not a star. His position will be filled by another capable player and BYU will likely win another game against Utah. My advice to BYU athletes, don't do dumb things!

Guam_Bomb
BARRIGADA, GU

This is why I am encouraging my children and nieces and nephews to attend other schools. I want my kids to live by the principles contained in the honor code, but I don't want them to be coerced into doing it. Even more importantly, I have a hard time justifying the consequences for a moral mistake to the consequences that could come from an honor code violation.

For me the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Being embarrassed in the media and missing five games seems a bit excessive. Likewise, I would want my child to be subjected to lose scholarships or be kicked out of school for having a beer.

I don't disagree with BYU's right to promulgate their honor code, or their right to enforce it with students who have signed a contract to live by it. I just question The wisdom of giving up that amount of agency to any entity.

Scott Farcus
Beaver, UT

Rock, well written.

"By announcing Hadley’s honor code violation, BYU made him accountable."

That is what is lacking in society today "accountability."

Kudos down South

technonerd7
orem, ut

Aggie238,

What you forget is that ALL Athletes and NON-Athletes all agree to the honor code. BEFORE they can attend. LDS or NON-LDS. You know what you are signing up for. Brandon Davies you say was a shameful example of how to handle it. But you are looking at it, in my opinion, from an ANTI-BYU and possibly ANTI-LDS viewpoint. Brandon Davies did something against the honor code, admitted it, BYU said he broke honor code and left it at that. The national media chased the rabbit. Brandon took the opportunity to grow and return and become a better person. If a player goes from starter to not playing, any university has the responsibility to let the public know something. If you dislike the way they handle it, by all means, ignore BYU, and all that comes with it. Don't read BYU articles, don't listen to BYU media stories, etc.

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

Honor Code violation could be any number of things and to infer which one would be inappropriate. Aggie238, do you have some inside info on which of Hadley's foibles are being trotted out in this circumstance? just looked the othe

Jumpyman
Salt Lake City, UT

The Brandon Davies incident was only shameful in that it probably cost BYU a National Championship in basketball (which I would argue was honorable rather than shameful). That is of course speculative, but remember that BYU lost to Florida in Overtime, who them lost to Butler (or UCONN) in overtime. So if Davies could help BYU with 2 or 3 more points, they could have made it to the finals. But because BYU stuck to their principles, they came out on top despite losing a national championship.

Fahrvergnugen
Provo, UT

@Guam_Bomb no one held a gun to my head to make me sign the honor code when I was at BYU. And no one took my agency away. I went to BYU knowing exactly what I was agreeing to and I used my agency to agree to that. No one took it from me. If anyone feels like they're giving up their agency to go to BYU, then I agree that they shouldn't go there.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

Code of morals and ethics above all!
I LOVE football, and I TOTALLY support this.
And I was no angel in college.

Hey Baby
Franklin, IN

Mildred in Fillmore and I just like the word foibles...

JayDee
West Jordan, UT

Quite a bit of honor code talk regarding BYU amidst dubious happenings on the hill in the last 48 hrs. I think Max Hall may have been on to something.

From my viewpoint and experience as an alum, contrary to previous posts, no one at BYU is coerced into the honor code. You sign, pledge, promise to adhere...with full knowledge of restrictions and accountability. Living honorably...yes, even under the honor code is NOT giving up agency to an entity. You are ALWAYS free to choose. The poster made it clear that he/she wouldn't want the consequences of the honor code for moral mistakes.

Pretty much sums up much of society today.

I see so many inconsistencies in this line of thinking. Maybe it's semantics, but words matter.

frugalfly
PULLMAN, WA

The honor code is nothing more than tying baptismal obligations to school standing. Mr. Guam, I wouldn't have your kid go on a mission or go to the temple either because those are tied to a lot more than school standing. I thought fussing over the honor code to be kind of silly. The honor code didn't ask me to do any more than my baptismal interview, my priesthood interviews, and my temple recommend interview. Those of us who go to BYU aren't perfect but we aren't afraid to sign a commitment and work to live by it. Leaders are merciful but they aren't permissive if we ever break our commitments. This is a non issue for any member of the church who is going to BYU.

CA. reader
Rocklin, CA

Once more for those of you who simply don't get it. Press shows up at practice. Press takes note of missing player who happens to be a starter. Press asks Bronco "Hey Broncster, where's old number two?" Does Bronco say who, what, don't know what your're talking about? Does BYU wait until the ESPN guys see that a starter from our stout defense doesn't seem to be on the field? No Bronco and BYU tell the truth. If he tries to evade or not answer at all the press starts digging and then the rumors begin to fly. How will that help the player in question? In fact Bronco doesn't wait for the press or anyone else to start asking questions, he gets out in front by making the announcement. How does Bronco or BYU avoid the situation? I guess in today's spin-everything-so-nobody-gets-it world you simply cannot understand honesty and integrity or accountability.

What actually happened is between the young man and his church leaders. I think you just want to hear salacious details to justify your own faults.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

There are classless peoples sending emails about this.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

What to know some fans of BYU's Honor Code?

Reno Mahe
Harvey Unga
Brandon Davies
Spencer Hadley
Kyle Van Noy

Anyone who doesn't realize that small fact, is missing the point. The Honor Code does exactly what it is supposed to do.

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