I'm not interested in what a university president thinks about immigration
laws. I am interested in what he thinks about how universities can lower the
cost of getting a college education versus jacking it up 7-10% a year.Only silence.
If Utah doesn't produce enough STEM graduates, it's these peoples
fault. Country wide we graduate 3 stem majors for every new job.
atl134Robert Rector of the Heritage foundation looks at the CBO with
a broader view.Amnesty and citizenship would make 11.5 million
illegal immigrants eligible for Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, and more
than 80 different means-tested welfare programs such as food stamps and public
housing. The average illegal immigrant is 34 years old and has a 10th-grade
education. At that age, education levels would increase very little after
amnesty. Under the Senate-passed amnesty bill, each current illegal
immigrant would receive more than $900,000 in government benefits over his
lifetime while paying around $300,000 in taxes—a net cost of more than
$600,000 to taxpayers. Even if the wages of amnesty recipients were to soar by
25 percent, the long-term costs per recipient would be more than
$500,000—costs ultimately borne by the American taxpayer."
atl134Politifact and the CBO do not include local and state costs. Also we
are not adding new jobs, we are replacing American workers. Subtract their
income. The CBO clearly states that it will depress wages and raise unemployment
during these ten years.
dave4197Which law is broken? Our country is the most liberal in the
world when it comes to green cards (1.2 million per year) and work visas (3.2
million per year). It appears the business interests pushing for more surplus
workers are greedy, and it has nothing to do with broken laws. How can they be
broken when they are not enforced? Our laws include promises of a
border wall, e-verify, interior enforcement, and more judges (in the 1986
amnesty) and a visa entry-exit system in 1996, 2000 and 2004. None of these have
been enforced. How can they be bad?Amesty has never stopped illegal
immigration, it just encourages it. Only enforcement will stop it, this is what
the majority of Americans want. I don't think appointed
government officials should be encouraging illegal behavior, or putting others
above American citizens.
Here's a thought that I have offered before, education is big business, and
the first rule of any organization is to grow. Universities make money by
increasing enrollment, they get money from tuition, legislatures to build new
buildings and higher salaries for everyone because they are bigger and more span
of control, bigger responsibilities, etc..If we had no illegal
immigrants, and therefore no illegal students at public supported colleges, we
could trim faculty and staff as the declining birthrate would reduce the
enrollment pool. Non performing curricula could be trimmed or made better. Low
performing faculty could be retired or let go and universities could establish
higher standards for admission providing a better qualified student body.This would force high schools to produce a better student for
university, or have them enroll in community college to prove they are able to
function in a university setting.I think the Ivory Tower needs a
make-over and dose of reality.
hey Icon, the present law is egregiously bad. you rule of law hooters need to
start with ridding our code of laws of such egregiously bad stuff. I've been south of the border, we do have a relatively opulent economy.
California has a good economy (sans gov't) and has a larger gdp than many
European countries. I am part Utahn, I've lived in CA now 30+ years, I see
my state of CA has been equalizing the treatment of latinos in California, an
direction that I'm proud of, although there is a long ways to go. Wish
Utahns would do the same. My calling out Mike Lee stands, he has no plan
for helping our needy friends from south of the border, except a slightly
modification to the status quo. And that's effectively a boot on their
neck.I say stop holding up our existing immigration law as some kind of
holy grail worth an ounce of praise. It is OK to disobey our bad laws.
@Fitness FreakHere was something tested by Politifact and rated
true: "U.S. Rep. David Cicilline says passing the Senate-approved
immigration bill would save $200 billion of next ten years"So
you know... next time you want to make fun of people with letters after their
name claiming they don't have common sense... maybe you should actually be
correct in your own assertions.
Again? Didn't they just call for reform a few weeks ago.Behind every
advocate for amnesty there is a bail out. Universities have invited foreign
students (preferring them to our own citizens), taught them, even gave them
campus jobs (in violation of the law)...and now they aren't allowed to work
after they graduate.So, they want us to bail them out from their folly.No Thanks.
@Fitness Freak"I wonder how much of their (200k +)salaries they would
like to give up to provide for the care and upkeep of our illegal alien
trespassers?"The CBO scored the immigration bill as reducing the
deficit, not increasing it...
How can we provide for 20 million U.S. citizens already unemployed along with 30
million illegal immigrants?"dave4197" in Mexifornia we have
a "relatively opulent" economy?Have you checked the debt
level of your state recently?Where/when did Mike Lee (or anybody)
put a "boot on the neck of a poor refugee"?We simply asked
them to obey our laws. They've refused. But nobody put a "boot on
their neck"!They're lawbreakers. You can like them all you
want, but they're still lawbreakers.
Glad to hear the university presidents are in favor of the dream act, in favor
of a path to citizenship. We have a blockage in immigration policy now, i.e. a
perpetual motion that goes nowhere. We need a path to legal residency, to legal
work, to citizenship if that's what an immigrant wants and not all want
that.The Utah Compact spoke well about changes needed in immigration
policy. But Utah's Sen Mike Lee is on the other side of the fence,
he's for building more blockages to immigration, and his kind of
immigration reform is to use a bigger boot on the neck of the poor refuge /
immigrant.I stand for helping our friends from south of the border. We
have a relatively opulent economy, we have good education, we have good health
services. Our friends who walk across the border deserve true compassion from
us, a hand up, a level playing field. I stand for helping, not blockading.
And I call for people who wish to live in this country to obey the laws of this
country.You can't break the law and then tell me you're
going to be a law abiding citizen.
And yet how many US students are turned away in favor of foreign-born students,
who typically and of necessity come from the upper classes of their home
country. If we honestly want to help those underdeveloped nations, we would
promote applying their education to building up their own economies, which would
include political science majors...if it weren't for the fact our
universities are indoctrinating them in the philosophies that currently burden
their home countries, economies and peoples.
These students have a way to citizenship.They need to apply. We need to be
likemost countries in the world, for exampleAustralia, children born
there are citizensfrom the country there parents are from.They have
to request dual citizenship. If they(parents) want to become citizens they
have three years to gain citizenship orthey are deported.
I always have suspected that there were a lot of people running around with
letters behind their names who didn't have an ounce of common sense.This confirms it!I wonder how much of their (200k +)salaries they
would like to give up to provide for the care and upkeep of our illegal alien
trespassers?I wonder how many of the Presidents' quarters have
mariachi music playing til 2 a.m. outside THEIR house?Have they ever
been the victim of identity theft? Did they just have their "secretary"
deal with it?The graduates from these colleges aren't even
finding jobs. Why do they want to invite more to TAKE jobs from americans?As common middle-class American citizens we all have the OBLIGATION to
contact our elected representatives to present counter-arguments to elitists who
always seem to "know what's best".In reality, they don't
have a clue!BTW - why does the Utah board of regents hire folks who
support lawbreakers?To University Presidents: If you want to
"fix" something; how about starting with your parking lots?