Hahaha! Everybody get a life.
I can not even imagine KW being considered for the Head Coaching Job at BYU...
Those who conducted the search need to be removed from the selection
I wonder if it's too late for Max to retract his apology...If I
were a Utah citizen I would actively protest any of my money going to that
And this is why my favorite school is any of them that are not called the
University of Utah... And my favorite team will always be who ever is playing
utah regardless of the sport...Lack of class is an understatement.
I'm a guy who's not crazy about BYU and I really don't like
religion all that much---but you know who I'm starting to like even less?
Brian Blechen. His immaturity is becoming legendary. Grow up.
I saw the youtube video. I don't see it as a big deal. People are all too
often looking to get offended. As a Ute fan I think it's not funny but so
what. If anything it hurts Utah having to be slightly distracted in preparation
for the rivalry game. With the bye week, BYU has had more time to prepare and
maybe this adds a little motivation on top of what is already there.The Utah fan exposing Hadley was the far more low blow. There are always fans
who do insane things. Will Hadley be missed? I guess we will see. The honor code
is what it is and players/students at BYU sign on. Speculating on the booster
part of the story is the bigger concern for BYU, just not in this game.
@ Mormon UteUm, this is awkward. Give my post another read and try
There can be little doubt about what was intend. I am very disappointed in the
coach's attitude and comments. Apparently his time in Utah has changed
him quite bit. He did not apologize as he should have and he certainly should
have taken some disciplinary action toward the players involved. He should have
named all the players that participated. I found this shocking and totally
uncalled for. I'm not surprised that the players would do something like
this, after all they are enrolled at Utah, but things have slipped a lot in the
administration of that university to allow this to pass without corrective
action. We've lowered the standards once again.
From a big time BYU fan for decades and a BYU alum I plead with everybody on
this board to talk with a neighbor who is of the other team's fan based and
do so with respect. Become friends, get over the rivalry. Look past it.
It's a football game! We are all the same deep down. This isn't a way
to live. Please. To borrow from MLK - I have a dream that someday a man will not
be judged by the color of his team's mascot, but by his character. It is
sad that a rivalry between Universities can cause such hurt, division, and anger
between people that really should be good friends. I have many friends and
family that are red. To all those fans that can't get past it on both sides
I plead with you to stop the hatred.
Two For Flinching,Really?! Tell me what in this video is offensive?
The way Blechen is standing with his arms folded across his chest is the same
way they have you stand in team building exercises as you fall backwards
trusting the others in your group will catch you. So are those team building
exercises simulating baptisms? Get over it BYU fans. You didn't really
find anything and your continued attempts to make something out of nothing are
only being believed and fueled by the press. The press love controversy and we
are all feeding their hunger for it.
Veritas,Yes, I saw the video. I saw nothing offensive at all. I
saw a player being lowered into what we are told by those who were there was ice
cold water taking a dare to immerse himself in the water. Then the
player's reactions to that. I saw no attempt to mock anything sacred or
special. It certainly was a stupid stunt, given the affect ice cold water can
have on the brain, but I saw nothing that indicated something disrespectful was
intended towards BYU or any religion. The press and BYU fans haved revealed
their thin skin by making up something to take offense at.
CoachRay"I wonder how President Monson feels about his alma
mater now?"I'm sure he has lost no sleep over it and has
REAL issues to deal with. I highly doubt he will stop singing "Utah
Man" anytime soon."A Utah man sir and will be 'til I
"I'm just shocked that the LDS players for the utes are ok with this.
It is total mockery and disrespect. We all know what the non-LDS and mormon
haters think, but for the LDS players it that play there is just dissapointing.
It is too bad to see that the utes are going away from their roots and falling
into the way of the world. Come on guys, where's the respect."He was being baptized in the name of "LGI" or "Lets get it".
It's a motto used heavily around the U football team. And this video was
made right in the middle of fall camp. These kids were clearly just messing
around in a cold tub and were excited to start playing for real. People who are
offended by this are so, because they are trying to be offended. Complete
I honestly believe these two incidents highlights the difference between BYU and
any other college. At BYU, the honor code is the honor code. If a BYU player was
photographed in this manner, he would be at least suspended for a game. At Utah
or most any other college really, the coach could care less and probably shared
a laugh with the players. I'm not blaming Whit, but he is part
of the reason why anti-Mormon stuff is so acceptable. If this were remotely
about Jewish rite, or a mocking of the Catholics, then the National media as
well as the local guys, would be in a frenzie...but once again anti-Mormon
postings are waved off as "boys being boys."I wonder how
President Monson feels about his alma mater now?
Christian 24-7Murray, UTIsn't there a guy in jail in
California for posting a religiously offensive video? The US Federal Government
put him there. Hmmm. So how innocent is it? -------------Nope. The government did not, he did it to himself. He had a criminal record
and he broke the terms of his probation."Nakoula was ordered to
jail without bail...with the judge citing probation violations."Like the Danish Cartoons this isn't a controversy, move on.
Isn't there a guy in jail in California for posting a religiously offensive
video? The US Federal Government put him there. Hmmm. So how innocent is it? I have never picked a side in this stupid rivalry, but after hearing the
lamest excuses for stupid offensive behavior from the Utah coach and fans, I
hope the Y wins by a ton, while I am watching the ReAL game!Go all
blue, USU and BYU!
Okay, I am fine with kids doing stupid things and that is what this is. But
innocently? I don't recall ever having to hide my identity when I did
something"innocently". So Whit, don't insult my intelligence. Just
tell it for what it is. They were making fun and they are dumb college kids. Not
sure there are any college kids that didn't do something stupid.
Fashion Police:Read my prior post:"I personally
don't have a cached copy of the video because I never thought anybody would
think anything of it because of the fact it IS so innocuous. But even if I did,
why would I care about how people "judged" it? You have done that
already."Asked and answered.Go Utes! On to victory
Saturday and to denying KVN his "Super Bowl" victory yet AGAIN!
Don't Feed the Trolls:Utah did have a one year anomaly. But in
the nine straight years before that, Utah went 8-1 in their bowl games including
a Fiesta Bowl Championship and a Sugar Bowl Championship against Alabama - just
in case you were curious about that too. How did byU do during that period?Reno Cougs Fan 68:"How many times have you posted on
other teams articles in their main newspaper, or fan blog, or anything else not
related to BYU?"Asks the byU fan posting on a Utah article.Oh the irony!! But I still like you.Go Utes!
VegasUteStop expecting everybody to accept your particular
interpretation and post the entire video to the internet; then each of us can
judge whether we're personally offended by a mock baptism performed,
recorded and posted to the internet by Utah football players.
VegasUte Las Vegas, NV- Hoping byU wins six to qualify
for the Kraft whatever bowl----------------How did the
Utes do in their bowl game last year?
Not an LDS baptism without a prayer invoking the priesthood. And I don't
know in what church baptizers cover their heads with a towel. How do you know
the difference between fully immersed and drowning?!
phantomblade:No rebuttal on the "righteous indignation"
claim? "Simply acknowledging what the vidoe portrays
doesn't prove that the individual was personnally offended."Choosing to interpret the video how you choose doesn't give anybody the
right to determine how all Christians should feel or the right to judge. If you
choose to be offended by your interpretation and you judge the people involved
and the entire University, that is on you. I highly doubt that questioning the
moral integrity of such religious people as Kyle Whittingham and Jake Murphy
falls under the teachings of the church or of byU."When are you
going to post the entire video so fans can judge for themselves whether it was
really as innocuous as you claim?"I personally don't have a
cached copy of the video because I never thought anybody would think anything of
it because of the fact it IS so innocuous. But even if I did, why would I care
about how people "judged" it? You have done that already."take a peak at the Blood Runs Blue comic"Why? So that I
can show righteous indignation too? No thanks, too much of that already!Go Utes!!
Reno Cougs Fan 68:I never said we didn't have a rivalry with
byU. I also never said that this game is our Super Bowl like KVN did. So, not
sure your point there.The WAC doesn't have to still be in
existance for byU to go back to a WAC schedule, it was for making a point. byU
has one semi-big-boy schedule this year, them back to bottom half of SOS again
in 2014. byU was moved out for Michigan, BTW.Why do you have to go
back decades to try to make a point? We are here now - 2013. Utah is 3-0 in
the last 3 games, 7-3 at Provo in that last twenty years. "How
many times have you posted on other teams articles in their main newspaper, or
fan blog, or anything else not related to BYU?" I don't post on
articles that don't deal directly with Utah. Nice try."Hoping for a good clean hard fought game from both sides with no one
getting hurt including the fans!" - Amen and ditto.Go Utes!Go Aggies beat USC!!!
VegasUteSimply acknowledging what the vidoe portrays doesn't
prove that the individual was personnally offended.When are you
going to post the entire video so fans can judge for themselves whether it was
really as innocuous as you claim?While you're out there on the
web, take a peak at the Blood Runs Blue comic.Enjoy!
...embarrassed to admit that I attended the U...and cheered for them and even
went so far as to join in with the BYU-haters......oh, the errors of
our youthGo Cougars!
Mocking a religion? Like the Danish Cartoons controversy?
VegasUte,In case you have not noticed but the WAC is dead and gone
so how can BYU have a WAC schedule in 2014?Care to remind us how many
conference titles did Utah have while a member of the WAC?If you will look
at Utah's schedule for next year you will see that the Utes have Idaho
State on the schedule! Did BYU get replaced with another former WAC team?Remind us again how many times the MUSS stormed the field last year of the
team you no longer have a rivalry with?How many times have you posted on
other teams articles in their main newspaper, or fan blog, or anything else not
related to BYU?I am LDS and a huge BYU fan!!! I am not offended by the
video this stuff comes out on both sides before the games between our two
schools!!! Hoping for a good clean hard fought game from both sides with no one
getting hurt including the fans!!!Go Cougs!!!Go Aggies beat USC!!!
VegasUteIF the un-edited, "non-offensive" video was really
so innocuous, why was it deleted from YouTube or InstaGram or wherever it was
originally posted, and why did Kyle feel the need to make a statement that it
was "poor judgment" and "we have addressed this issue with our
players"?What issue? If this was just some harmless horsing
around.What poor judgement? If this was just a silly video.Obviously, even the un-edited video raised so many concerns that it was
immediately deleted as soon as the public was made aware of it.IF,
as you say, the full version wasn't offensive, then repost it and let
everyone judge for themselves. Otherwise, just admit that the Utes are entirely
responsible for this whole embarrassing fiasco and move on. Stop
trying to blame BYU fans for embarrassing U. You embarrassing yourselves.
@phantomblade:Oh really? “Yes this is a religious
slam, offensive to every Christian who values their baptism. It is in poor
taste, inappropriate, and the coach is wrong to pretend it is
otherwise.”“Which is more egregious:Getting in a
fight or insulting an entire class of people?”“I'm
just shocked that the LDS players for the utes are ok with this. It is total
mockery and disrespect. We all know what the non-LDS and mormon haters think,
but for the LDS players it that play there is just dissapointing. It is too bad
to see that the utes are going away from their roots and falling into the way of
the world.”“producing and posting a video mocking a
sacred religious ceremony” “Shame on other LDS Utah fans
who place their hatred and contempt for anything BYU above standing up for what
is right - even sacred rites of their own religion.”“For
a person like I assumed you were, your comments are very
dissapointing.”Tell me again there is no righteous
indignation! Go Utes! Onward and Upward above byU minutia!
Oh people, get over it. I see nothing offensive about this at all. It happened
before the season even started. It was a dare, how can that be offensive. People
will just interpret what they want to just to find a reason to blow things out
of proportion. Kyle Whittingham is still one of my favorite defensive players of
all tme. What he stated satifies my curiosity. GO BYU.
RE: "Stop blaming BYU fans for simply reacting to it" (Snack Pac)I'm not BLAMING anybody for it. That's my whole point.
Blaming and judging are not my job.It's not my place to judge
them (the kids in the video, Utah fans in general, BYU, you name it). But
there is a LOT of judging and hate being displayed here. That's the angle
of the rivalry I don't like (especially from LDS people who worship the God
who said "judge not" and "turn the other cheek").If
you will remember to judge not, and only cast your stone when YOU are perfect...
then go for it.And no... The Utes being to blame for it does not
justify reacting the way many are reacting (the hate that's coming out, the
judging, the anger, the contention). I think we could all do without it.It doesn't matter what they were doing or why they were doing it
(to me). I'm not perfect yet... so I can't judge them, hate them, or
sow contention, and rationalize it saying, "I'm just reacting to what
@Jeff29Draper, UT"Can we actually look at this
objectively?" Yes. The video you saw was a 12 second edit of a longer
video. You cannot possibly be objective only seeing the 12 seconds. But,1) Not technically an "ice" pool, but temperatures in the 40s -
50s. The water takes his breath away as he is going under. Another player is
shivering in the water.2) Do you know for sure he was "hiding his
face"? How many times do you see football players with towels over their
heads? Every week at every football game. Hiding was an assumption and
speculation on your part. The player's name is Radley, ask him if he was
"hiding".3) Show the video, within it's context, to ten
different people. Showing a picture, taken way out of context, is not a way of
being "objective".4) How do you know who posted the edited
version? This was originally posted in August before Utah even played a game.
Are you "objectively" saying this edited video just happened to show up
in the media the week of Holy War? Go Utes!!
VegasUteTalk about distorting the truth... there's been very
little, if any, "righteous indignation" from BYU fans. In fact, the vast
majority of comments from BYU fans have simply been rebuttals to the Utah fan
narrative that BYU fans are somehow responsible for the Utes embarassing
@ Troy Town:Thanks for proving my point: "when has reality or
truth ever deterred the byU "fan" (Utah hater) from forming an opinion
to further their own righteous indignation?"Go Utes! Onward and
Upward above the byU "fan" minutia!!
It will be great and fun to watch this weekend as Utah gives KVN his fourth and
final loss in his "Super Bowl".After the Utah victory on
Saturday, byU "fan" can go back to:- Making up excuses to
why Utah didn't really win the game- Calling for the firing of
Bronco and/or Anae- Making up other deflection stories about Utah-
Looking forward to Mid Tn St and Idaho St- Hoping byU wins six to qualify
for the Kraft whatever bowl- Looking forward to another WAC schedule for
2014Go Utes!! Onward and Upward above the byU "fan"
VegasUteThe only "joke" here is Utah fans trying to blame
BYU fans for Utah's embarrassing video.
snack WAC:Utah's "program" did not create or post the
video either. It was a bunch of kids who were doing something that involved no
particular religion and no malice towards ANY religion. It was, however, edited
into a 12 second video that does not show what the whole process was about. byU
"fans" are choosing to be upset about it. Why? My guess is because if
you can't beat a team on the field, the best thing to do is find something
-- ANYTHING -- to displace your anger with your won team.SMy advice
to you is not worry about what those kids were doing months ago, but to worry
about the damage that Hadley has done to your team and your program. Isn't
what this whole video is about anyway, classic byU deflection?If
Utah was looking forward towards UCLA, even in the slightest, this whole
misplaced anger by byU "fan" has surely got them 100%+ focused on byU.
Lights out early and often at LES this week. byU "fan" will be leaving
for the parking lot by third quarter AGAIN!!Go Utes! 44-21.
Guess we hit a never with ekute - when U can see that you've clearly lost
the argument, change the subject.Love the latest "Blood Runs
Blue" comic depicting the Ute response to Videogate - classic rebuttal.
If any of you Utah haters had actually seen the entire video rather than the 12
second cougar edited joke that was posted, you would KNOW that this whole thing
had nothing to do with any religion or the mockery thereof. But, when has
reality or truth ever deterred the byU "fan" (Utah hater) from forming
an opinion to further their own righteous indignation? Just a sad and desperate
attempt to take the attention away from the byU problem plaguing their own
campus!! Sad that this character assassination comes at the cost of some very
good kids. The thought that occurs to me the most while reading
these hate filled posts from byU "fan" is this: What do these posts
represent - Honor or Spirit? I guess Spirit Honor and Tradition is just another
byU slogan that is printed and chanted, but not lived!Go Utes!
Onward and Upward!!
Guaranteed, every year as soon as byu loses it's first game the only thing
it's "fans" have left is to bag on Utah.
ekuteNOTHING is as embarrassing as being SHUTOUT 0-27 by a 10-loss
team.NOTHING is as embarrassing as being dominated at home by a
10-loss team that hadn't won a road game in FOUR years.The
baptism video is just the latest example.When it comes to
embarrassing themselves, the Utes are at the head of the class.
u25Guaranteed, during the two-year hiatus in 2014 and 2015, there
will be more comments from Utah fans about BYU than there will be about all of
the teams on Utah's schedule COMBINED!2 bitsBYU
wasn't the program who created and posted the video. Stop blaming BYU fans
for simply reacting to it.
PAC man,No major conference wants byu...Embarrassed?
PAC man,Dominated by a so called "bottom dwelling PAC12 team,
lose to a bottom dwelling ACC team...embarrassed yet?
PAC man,Lose 8 of 11, 3 in a row...Are you embarrassed?
Mormon Ute"You're only offended by this video, because you
want to be. It had nothing to do with religion."===Did you
see the video? Did you see the laughing players sitting around the ice-pool? Did
you see the hand gestures in the video? Educate yourself.You don't need to be offended if you choose not to, but it's sad to
condone disrespectful, inappropriate behavior because of what color jersey they
wear on Saturday.===You can't be offended when
college kids act like college kids, but you can and should correct the behavior,
rather than being an apologist.Kyle should know better.
PAC man,54-10, 7 turnovers, fans leave at halftime...How's that
for embarrassing yourself?
This was made when the practice facility first opened. kids messing around with
no intent to bother anybody. The creapy and unethical thing here is the y fan
who sat home on his computer looking at all the Utah players facebook pages til
they could come up with something to be offended at.
I'm just tired of all the BYU and Utah fans who have this deep seeded
hatred in their harts just waiting for something to happen to confirm that
it's justified so they can let it out.We shouldn't even
have that hatred in our hearts. We should let it go (for real, not just cover
it up). We also shouldn't judge people (which seems to be the full time
occupation of some who want to analyze the images and the comments to death to
see if they can justify their anger).This was a stupid thing to do
(regardless of what school they go to). And understanding that NEITHER side is
perfect... can we just drop it and move on to something more important in life?
I cant wait til we no longer play this team, with the most persected fans on
earth. When the church drops athletics at the y because the fans are a detriment
to there misionary goals.
Mormon Ute"You're only offended by this video, because you
want to be. It had nothing to do with religion."Only a
crimson-goggles wearing Utah fan would be so blinded by his personal biases as
to claim that the video had "nothing to do with religion".Anybody with eyes to see can see clearly that it was a mock baptism.BYU fans aren't the ones who produced and distributed the embarrassing
video with obvious religious overtones.The reality is, very few BYU
fans are actually offended by the video. They're just laughing at the Utes
for once again embarrassing themselves.
From the picture alone it does look incriminating for sure. However if you see
the whole video on youtube it really is what Jake Murphy described. When my
children did they same thing in Idaho the water looked the same as it does in
this video and the temperature was below 40 degrees.If in my opinion
- based on evidence - this really was what some claim it to be I would be the
first to condemn it as would my friends who are U alumni whether they are LDS or
Tators,Give me a break! You're only offended by this video,
because you want to be. It had nothing to do with religion. I am constantly
amazed at the BYU fans who make this rivalry about religion when it should be
about football. It is because of BYU fans like you that I proudly call myself
Mormon Ute to make sure you know there are LDS Church members in good standing
who support the flagship university of this great state. People like you are
doing a great job of taking the fun out of sports in general and rivalries in
jbohn,Only in the eyes of the byu "fans" is it a "holy
war". There have been years(2004) when Utah actually had more RM's than
byu on the team. A 2 year break will be nice for us Mormon Ute fans. The
jealous insults will continue but at least we won't have to deal with the
better than thou insinuations.Go Utes! Beat byu in their biggest
game in 4 years.Go Utes! Beat UCLA and win the PAC12 South.
"There was absolutely no malice or disrespect intended towards any
particular religion or rite," Whittingham said.If you buy this,
I have a bridge that crosses over Utah Lake, I'm willing to sell for a
measly $5,000, contact me at blowingsmoke.com
byu fans honestly feel that Utah fans are not "worthy" enough to walk
the same ground that they do. I am done with this rivalry. Have fun in
JohnInSLCAnother Utah fan living in denial. The video is clearly a
mock baptism. Whether it was aimed at a specific religion is difficult to prove,
but not all LDS Utes agree with your denial that it wasn't offensive to LDS
"how many religions in Utah baptize by immersion? the intention was to mock
the LDS church and show disrespect."blue&white:Actually, quite a few. I believe they include Baptists, 7th Day Adventists,
Jehovah's Witness, Pentacostals, Assembly of God, Greek Orthodox and Church
of Christ, to name a few. Other faiths, including Lutherans, Methodists,
Catholics and Presbyterians, accept several forms of baptism, including
immersion.LDS Utes don't feel mocked. So leave it to the y
"fans" to act like they are singled out.
Ted HCongrats... Best 'to the point' comment of the
day.Several surprises as to who is defending this boorish behavior.
Coach Whit covering for this... yeah right.
From a devout Mormon, i ask us all to please stop playing the victim card. If
no offense was intended, you would be a fool to take offense. If offense was
intended, you would be an even bigger fool to take offense. I'm
paraphrasing but I think you've all heard that in conference. There is no
reason not to believe Jake Murphy's explanation. He's always acted
honorably to my knowledge. And I truly doubt these players intended to insult
the religion of their coach, their team leader (Reilly), and many of their
teammates. We as Mormons could do more good if we try to assume the
best from others, be less cynical, and less quick to take offense. When you
react with anger and vitriol, you suggest to the world that we only believe in
showing love to those who love us. That wasn't Christ's law, was it?
To UtahUte91: Thank you for your honesty which for 99% of the time was lacking
here by UU fans.To other uu fans: I'm not offended. I found
much humor in reading the responses that tried to downplay the situation. Coach
w didn't do a sincere job in his response either. Keep it up, LOL.
Religion have rotted the brains of the offended. Get help now. Who made you
judge and jury of others?
@ ND95CA: "Utah fans mock BYU for disciplining a player for
breaking BYU's Honor Code, the complain when BYU fans suggest that Utah
should hold its own players accountable for creating and posting a video that
mocks a sacred religious sacrament."I only saw one classless Ute
fan post on the Hadley article yesterday. All other posts were classy. I went
back and read the comments posted when Blechen was suspended and there were many
classless comments coming from BYU fans.I wish the video hadn't
happened just like I'm sure we all wish Hadley hadn't violated the
Honor Code at BYU. We can watch the video and make assumptions and also read the
BYU blog from the day prior to the Hadley suspension and make assumptions, but
we don't know the true facts to either situation. If the information is
true for both young men then there will be no question which incident will be
the focal point. It certainly won't be a couple of young men horsing
around at the practice facility.Utah is a state university and BYU
is a religious university, their rules of conduct are very different.UTES!
Continued:I'm actually not upset about the incident. Stupid
things happen in locker rooms all the time (I saw stupid things in BYU's
locker room). The upsetting part is "Coach" Whittingham's
response. Would it have been so hard to say that his players did something
insensitive, that he has talked to them and they understand why their actions
were inappropriate? You've heard of helicopter parents who won't let
their kids face the consequences of life? He's a helicopter coach.
Can we actually look at this objectively?1) This is not an ice pool
(or at least it's highly doubtful). I have been in quite a few ice pools,
and, as a previous post mentioned, ice pools do not produce foam. So Whit's
and Jake's explanations don't hold much "water".2) If
this is an innocent dare, why is one of them hiding his face with a towel?3) There is no denying what this looks like. Seriously, if you have any
doubt, show the picture, without any context, to ten different people and tell
me what they think it looks like.4) This was not posted by a BYU fan. It
was posted by someone from the U (why did they take it down and why did Whit say
it was poor judgment if it was just a simple dare?)
A previous comment about the Utah's core values got me thinking. Um...what
exactly is the problem with the University of Utah's core values? Honesty,
that's a good thing to strive for. Treat women with respect, something all
men should strive for, especially college age men. No stealing, that's a
commandment. No drugs and no DUI's. What is wrong with that? I think all
of these values are (good ones). Consider for a moment that most of these
players are over 21 and are not LDS. At least the University is trying to
protect others from the potentially harmful affects of drinking, i.e. drinking
and driving. If they want to drink alcohol that is their right, unless we want
to change our beliefs about free agency. Yes, I am LDS and a die hard Utah
football fan. I am disappointed in this content of this video but do not
believe it was directed at any one group or religion. In fact I don't
think it was directed towards anyone. Just a bunch of guys acting stupid in an
ND95CA,Actual theme of the day:People looking for a reason to
be offended, get over yourself if you are offended.
Veritas Aequitas,Strong character to suspend a player...? Even
stronger character to suspend a player that is injured after doing absolutely
nothing wrong. Dont be silly.
Theme of the day: Utah fans mock BYU for disciplining a player for
breaking BYU's Honor Code, the complain when BYU fans suggest that Utah
should hold its own players accountable for creating and posting a video that
mocks a sacred religious sacrament.
2 bitsNice dodge, but this isn't an LDS kids are perfect and
non-LDS kids aren't discussion.This is about personal
accountability and Kyle Whittingham refusing to hold his players accountable for
making and posting an obviously offensive video.According to your
juvenile view of the world, since nobody is perfect, nobody should be held
accountable for anything.By "giving this story a rest", what
you're really suggesting is sweeping the story under the rug and pretending
that it never happened.
No offense taken.I realize it's just another classless move by
a little brother.
Wallbanger"Ute Haters" are only using this as an excuse to
make the Utes look bad or another reason to hate them"I'm a
Utah fan and alum and, frankly, it's embarrassing to see fellow Utah fans,
especially those who are LDS, blindly defending this video and pretending that
it is anything other than a mock baptism.Ute apologists just
don't get it.The Utes made themselves look bad!The
Utes made the video.The Utes posted the video.The Utes were
embarrassed by the video.The Utes made a statement that the
"issue" had been "addressed".The Utes deleted the video
from YouTube.And the Utes are are burying their heads in the sand
and pretending that it's BYU's fault that the Utes embarrassed
themselves by creating a video that obviously mocks a rite that is sacred to
others.Enough excuses. It's time for Whittingham to step up and
take responsibility and hold those players who were responsible accountable for
their actions. At the very least they should be expected to make a public
No offense taken here, but WOW to poster boy Jake Murphy's Twitter, saying
" . . .it was a dare to see if the player would go all the way under the
water in the ice tub." I am so surprised and frankly disappointed that he
justified this "dare".I guess this means the captain would
also condone anything else that takes place on a "dare" on campus such
as hazing, unethical, or illegal activities. WOW
motorbike,If byu fans shouldn't think the players meant it as
in a way directed to byu then likewise Utah fans/players shouldn't get
bothered when Bronco or others bring religion into football and life, as it
clearly then obviously reflect on all the Mormon Utes also, right? Surely you
wouldn't be hypocritical? A lot of self righteousness on the hill these
2 bits - Those Mormon missionaries were sent home, so if you're trying to
compare the two then obviously you think this situation is also very serious?And no, the boys throwing bombs are not on missions right now. Wrong
Do they not have anything better to do with their time and energy? I am so
thankful I do not have children being raised in this generation. I definitely
worry about our grandchildren and great-grandchildren..what will it be like when
they become of age? It's a terrifying thought.
@ Mormon Ute:When the video was made is irrelevant. It was just
shown and made public in the news within the last day or so. I can't
see how anyone could keep a straight face when saying they can't tell
whether the players were simulating a baptism or not. Obvious is obvious. There is a reason one of the key people involved covered his face. It
wasn't because he was cold or proud of what he was doing.If the video
didn't intend anything at all, then why was it ever posted on You-Tube.And if the video wasn't offensive, then why did Whittingham feel the need
to make an apology statement in behalf of his players?And lastly...
quit trying to make this a BYU football fan thing just to appease yourself in
apparent defense of Ute football players who happened to have made the video.
Many of those apparently offended are religious people who could care less about
football, but do about religious rituals. Show some respect.
People who are always offended offend me.
A dare to see if they would go all the way under the water in the "ice
tub"?I didn't see any "ice" in the picture.No offense may have been meant, but's it's still tacky, tacky,
phoenix"Cougars blamed for embarassing video embarassing the
Utes."First of all that has nothing to do with the comment I
made. Secondly, Ute fans don't care about how the video came to be in the
spotlight, we simply care how ridiculous it is that BYU fans think it has
anything to do with them. Apparently I missed the part of the video
where the players said, "yeah, take that BYU!" Obviously the Utah
players would have realized it could equally offend half of their own team if
this was a blatant attempt to mock BYU or the LDS church.You guys
that are offended and take this as a Utah/BYU thing are quite obviously just
looking for anything you can to be upset about. If you need it that badly, run
with it. But don't cry when you get the "persecution complex"
comments in return.
Brigham Young has some advice: "He who is offended when offense is not
intended, is a fool; he who is offended when offense is intended, is a greater
Shouldn't have happened, but not that big of a deal. Move along, nothing to
I am a huge BYU fan but I take Jake Murphy at his word. This was an ice cold
tub and they were attempting to see if they see if they could stand being
submerged in it. My children did the same thing at a reunion in
Idaho a few years ago. (I thought they were crazy!) If you want to get
technical this is not how an actual baptism is performed anyway. Finally, it was also done almost a month ago. Just connect the dots --
So what would the outcry from Utah fans had been if this had happened at BYU???
I think we all know the answer to that question. Instead of 50+ comments at
this point there would have been at least double that. The hypocrisy is
I'm LDS and I feel the need to tell some of more rabid BYU fans to settle
down.This is not a big deal unless YOU make it a big deal. It's not like our kids are perfect. The kids in the video are
about mission age. Remember when pictures of 3 Mormon missionaries surfaced on
photobucket who photographed themselves in poses that demeaned the Catholic
Church (they were accused of beheading the statue in Colorado and taking
pictures holding the head, and preaching to it).Remember the boys caught
throwing bombs at people with the Riverton beauty queen... they were LDS boys,
on missions now. Kids sometimes do stupid things. Not just Utes.Let's give this Contentious story a rest and quit pretending we
don't know that kids sometimes do stupid things (even LDS kids, even BYU
athletes).Remember who the source of Contention is... and don't
do his dirty work for him.
Jake Murphy I have a lot of respect for your Dad but not your comment. This
wasn't a dare. A person doesn't need someone with a towel over his
head helping the other person go under. This was a mock baptism, sacreligious
at best. For a person like I assumed you were, your comments are very
Y fans..."Ute Haters" are only using this as an excuse to make the Utes
look bad or another reason to hate them. I'm active LDS, but I rarely get
offended. Whether or not they were "mocking" baptism is another
question. If they were, oh well, I don't judge others. I'll leave that
to the Lord. Get over it! Life goes on. President Gordon B Hinckley once said
"it is a choice to be offended". We see what choice most of the haters
have made. Just more fuel for rivalry week.
DutchmanMurray, UTWhen Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin of the
LDS Church Council of Twelve Apostles passed away Utah football players honored
his passing by displaying a sticker with his initials on the back of their
helmets.===I saw the video on the news this morning, hand
gestures (I'm guessing L for "Loser").Tell me Dutchman,
would that have made Elder Wirthlin proud?I personally not offended.
I did think Kyle would do more that make excuses, though. It takes strong
character to suspend a player before their most important game of the season.I'm sick of the "Holy War". Why can't it just be a
Kudos to the U of U LDS fans that recognize this for what it is and are willing
to stand up to Coach Whittingham, the players and university in an effort to put
an end to mockery of ANY religion. Shame on other LDS Utah fans who place their
hatred and contempt for anything BYU above standing up for what is right - even
sacred rites of their own religion.And stop the excuse that the
players were only horsing around. That just opens the door to acceptance of any
aberrant behavior by "kids" that are old enought to know better.
I can't believe Coach Witt had to even make a statement about this. The
video has been out there for over a month and BYU fans just started complaining
this week? C'mon!!! Give it up Cougar fans. Your thin skin is showing.
When Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin of the LDS Church Council of Twelve Apostles
passed away Utah football players honored his passing by displaying a sticker
with his initials on the back of their helmets. Elder Wirthlin had played
football for the U during the '30's. Many BYU fans criticized the
move as being insincere. I suspect that what is going on here is some fans with
the help of the media trying to stir up controversy. The clip was made several
weeks ago not this week. The young men involved made a bad decision.
Don't we all from time to time. But it was not directed at BYU or the LDS
Church. It is much a do about nothing.
RealBlue"Hey Motorbike -- It's called respecting someones
religion and beliefs. Your tone/outlook would be completely different if the
role was flipped and someone disrespected/mocked you or your beliefs"Guess what? I'm LDS. And guess what? I have far greater things I
could CHOOSE (yes, it's our choice) to be offended by. I certainly
wouldn't be offended by a short youtube clip by college kids to which I
have little to zero context behind.
Can't really say I'm surprised at the BYU fan comments, any chance
they get.There is no audio, none of you can say for sure that this
is a mockery of baptism. The towel on the head could be simply because he
didn't want his face on youtube. That is the ice bath because I took a tour
of the facility before the OSU game.It could, or it couldn't
be. If it really was a mockery I think they would have gotten punished. You
don't think that all the returned missionaries and etc on Utah would just
let this slide? I dont think so.Get off your high horses BYU fans,
its not like you treat all your non-LDS neighbors good. You do way worse things
to neighbors than a 'could be' mockery of baptism on youtube.
@ Brave Sir Robin and Vegas Ute:This wasn't anything to do with
BYU waiting or wanting to stir up controversy. It was someone from the U who
posted in on U-tube, not from the Y. And the only reason it's now an issue,
is because it's just now coming out in the news.If there are
any pathetic attempts involved, it's undoubtedly not from people in Utah
county... just from those trying to make excuses for those involved... that felt
the need to even cover up his face to the world for his participation.
motorbikeUtah fans playing the blame game again.Utes
caught with hands in the cookie jar again, yet it's somehow BYU's
fault for leaving the cookie jar in plain sight.Utes make
embarassing video. Utes post embarassing video. Someone, don't even know
who, discovers embarassing video. Cougars blamed for embarassing video
embarassing the Utes.
its funny how the game has been tagged " the holy war". it emplies that
there are people representing two different religions going to battle. Truth is,
most of (not all) the leadership on the football team at the University of Utah
is LDS. Most of the team is LDS, and besides BYU, Utah has more returned
missionaries on their team than any other DIV 1 school. So in reality if anyone
is offended it should be the ENTIRE church membership or anyone who considers
that cermony sacred. BYU fans need to quit acting PICKED ON. it wasnt directed
at the SCHOOL. Remember BYU you are not the only LDS members out there so quit
acting like you are. I dont need you to "defend" me, and it looks like
you should focus on members of your own team and how they represent you.
VegasUte"Pathetic attempt by Utah County fans to stir the pot to
get attention away from Hadley."Seriously???BYU fans
goaded Utah players into producing and posting a video mocking a sacred
religious ceremony so that when a key BYU starter was declared ineligible to
play in the BYU-Utah game over a month later, because of an Honor Code
violation, BYU fans could break out the video to divert negative attention away
from Hadley???It's amazing how very clever BYU fans are!Man up a take responsibility for once and stop blaming everything that
goes awry on the hill on some vast imaginary conspiracy.
No disrespect? Why does the guy have a towel over his head? Wouldn't be
trying to hide his face would he? Sorry Whit, can't accept your
"statement". BYU can't even have a jersey-gate without the media
freaking out. This just gets swept under the carpet. Wish the ute
fans would call out this one before someone puts a billboard up of Max Hall with
a caption that says, "Man, he was right."
One other comment about Coach. It is hard to believe what you are saying
because you also claimed that our strength on the team was/is the offensive line
and that we had the most talented d-line to-date. These have proven to be
suspect so your comment or opinion carries very little credibility, if any for
this Ute.GO UTES!
Good grief people. Grow up. This was in no way, shape or form a baptism or a
pretended baptism. It was players goofing off in a freezing pool of water used
to help cool their muscles rapidly and speed recovery after tough work outs. It
was also posted a long time ago and has nothing to do with the game this week.
Get over yourselves and move on!I do, however, question the
player's judgement for pulling this stunt. Having seen the effect such
cold water can have when a person's head is emersed in it I know this could
have ended badly.
"Man up and accept responsibility for an embarrassing video that was taken
and posted by Utah players."Ha ha. What? Yeah, Utah
fans should be ashamed of themselves for their involvement in this video.
Let me make two things clear, all byu fans EXUDE class. Just read these message
boards. Also, Brian Blechen is a good representative of the entire Utah fanbase
and organization. I guess Max was right, huh byu fans? Pathetic.
What is the big deal here?Move along.
skywalker"Pathetic attempt by Utah fans to try to deflect and
blame this on BYU fans.Man up and accept responsibility for an
embarrassing video that was taken and posted by Utah players."-----What embarrassing video? This is not embarrassing, its just kids playing
around, now had they said "BYU Sucks" or "Silly Mormons" at the
end of the video it would be embarrassing.
Surprised at what the mods will let Y fans say about Utah and its fans here.
Yet when an LDS Ute fan says their is nothing to be offended by here, the mods
deny it strange. I wonder if this will even get through.
I don't know what the intent of the boys in the video was, but I know what
the intent of the people getting all outraged about it is... contention and
vengeance. Both things we are warned are not good to be coming from LDS
people.Remember what church leaders have said... you can ALWAYS
choose whether to be offended or not be offended. I choose not to be
offended.I'm sure some will choose to be offended... and take
their wrath out in diverse ways. But remember... how you choose to respond
reflects not only on yourself, but on the church.Try to be classy in
your responses. It does no good to as they say to, "stir the pot of
"Ice tub"... Not offended but really? You're going with ice tub
when there is foam in it??? OK:)
Only mistake here is posting it in a place where insecure individuals can access
it and choose to proclaim victimization.Please remember your outrage
the next time someone alters the spelling of a Native American tribe's name
in an juvenile attempt to display disrespect to a fan base.Love the
game, but hate the week leading up to it so much that the break will be welcome.
Seriously, this is 'controversial'? I guess in this neck of the woods.
But have you seen what's on youtube? Bill Maher does a 'baptism'
that's WAY more funny, and therefore controversial, than this one.
Hey Motorbike -- It's called respecting someones religion and beliefs. Your
tone/outlook would be completely different if the role was flipped and someone
disrespected/mocked you or your beliefs.
I'm just shocked that the LDS players for the utes are ok with this. It is
total mockery and disrespect. We all know what the non-LDS and mormon haters
think, but for the LDS players it that play there is just dissapointing. It is
too bad to see that the utes are going away from their roots and falling into
the way of the world. Come on guys, where's the respect.
"At least the Utah players weren't in an all out brawl in fast food
joint, like the BYU players a year or so ago."Trust a Utah fan
to come up with such a pathetically weak attempt at deflection.BYU
players were suspended for the brawl.Utah players won't even
get a slap on the wrist for this.Which is more egregious:Getting in a fight or insulting an entire class of people?
BYU fans playing the victim card again. Oh how you all want and need a reason to
be upset and offended by anything UTAH.Note: very little that
happens on the hill is or was done with even the smallest thought about BYU or
its fans. Get over yourselves.
Not a fan of either school, or the rivalry, because it is over the top and
offensive. Yes this is a religious slam, offensive to every
Christian who values their baptism. It is in poor taste, inappropriate, and the
coach is wrong to pretend it is otherwise. Go ahead, paint Y
mountain red, but keep religious hate out of it.Go blue, USU!
Pathetic attempt by Utah fans to try to deflect and blame this on BYU fans.Man up and accept responsibility for an embarrassing video that was
taken and posted by Utah players.The fact that the video was posted
on August 23rd is irrelevant since most of the public was unaware of the video
until today.We have Whittingham's statement, but where is the
explanation and the apology from the players involved?
If you have ever been in an ice-bath whirlpool you know how freaking cold they
are. I can easily see how taunts and dares to get in could escalate to this
without having any thought of disrespect. Whit is not covering up for anyone he
just sees it as some horse play that was a little insensitive in hindsight, but
nothing intended except to show your a man by letting your team mate dunk you in
32 degree water.
"there was absolutely no malice or disrespect intended towards any
particular religion or rite"He said with a wink...
@Balan"So how can there by "poor judgement" on the part of the
players, but no malice or ridicule meant???"Ever unintentionally
hurt someone's feelings? That sort of thing is often poor judgment but
without malice or ridicule meant. After all, one of the Ute players involved in
this thing is LDS himself, so he probably saw it in a self-parody sense (similar
to say some of the stuff done by BYU Divine Comedy though of course DC is
At least the Utah players weren't in an all out brawl in fast food joint,
like the byu players a year or so ago.I suppose you could say the
Utes were making a commitment to live a higher life.But they are
football players and there is a reason they're not known for their brains.
Just some jocks horsing around.This will hopefully be a good
teaching moment about being sensitive about their actions. If they are stating
prayers, rites etc then I would take it as mockery of religion. If they were
really just dunking each other, then that's all it is.If they
really want to be baptized, I'm sure they can find a church to take care of
that.Either way it didn't help them beat Oregon state....
@ChrisB - silence makes me think you have insights into the actual purpose of
this event.And if they just want to see who can go all the way under
it looks deep enough to just sit down in it, no need for any sort of help from
@UtehaterforlifeRe: "Wow, stay classy Utah!" -
says the guy with Ute hater in his moniker. For life no less.
whittingham, are you kidding? not offended, but you begin to understand
why many ute grads root for BYU. waiting for Mendenhall to excuse this kind of
behavior if BYU players videotapped spinkling babies before their notre dame
game...........don't think it will happen.
Pathetic attempt by Utah County fans to stir the pot to get attention away from
Hadley.Move along, no story here at all! @franc:"fortunately byU fans will be above it."Have you
read the rest of the posts? LOL!!Go Utes!!
This will great for all the in-state recruits to see!GO GOUGS!!!
No excuse, this is poor judgment no doubt, but insensitive and immature. If
this was the NFL, they would have insensitivity training and possibly more. I
also dispute Whit's opinion, this was intentional and ignorant. Shame.
Having said that, hopefully they will learn from this and move on, just like
Hadley, Davies and others from BYU have done and will hopefully do. GO UTES!!
Well, if the goal of BYU in waiting until now to get into an uproar over this
video (which is a month old) was to get BYU fans to forget about the suspended
linebacker, it definitely worked.
Where's the story about the photo of Lucky Radley, Jake Murphy, Trevor
Reilly, and another Ute (sorry I don't recognize him) visiting a recently
paralyzed teenager in the hospital? After all, that is something that actually
happened just a few days ago; much more recently than the other photo. How
awesome must that kid feel after he got a visit from some Ute stars? Even though
they're very busy, not just with football, but rivalry week and their
classes, they still made time to go cheer someone up. I think that's pretty
awesome.While some of these kids make poor choices, they also make
some really good choices too. Why do we always need to focus on the bad things?
Let's celebrate the good they do and not dwell on the bad ideas.Also, let us (Mormons) not become one of the those groups of people who get
offended over every little thing. We're stronger than that, we've
survived much stronger persecution than a couple of college kids doing an ice
bath dare that may or may not resemble a baptism.
The video was posted on August 23rd and it's an issue right now? Like in most other cases, it's only offensive if you want to make an
issue of it. It's kids having fun. I'm moving on and I suggest if you
believe you are above it, you should too.
Better than thou detractors,Have you ever been in a ward house gym?
I accept Kyle's and Jake's explanation that this was not intended to
be a slam against any religion.Some of the other things I've
witnessed at the U obviously were intended to slam a particular religion, such
as the time a "special edition" of the Daily Chrony that questioned the
validity of many tenants of the LDS faith was distributed in RES prior to a
BYU-Utah game.Mocking LDS beliefs happens frequently at the U, but I
don't think that is what was happening in this particular case.
So it's a few dumb athletes being ridiculous ... but face up to the truth
and say you're sorry for your player's behavior, Whit ... it WAS
intended to offend religions ... fortunately BYU fans will be above it.
For a program whose core value are as shown below, should we be surprised? And
yes, these are the teams official core values as shown on their brand new
facility:1. Honesty(Good one)2. Treat women with respect(good
one)3. No stealing4. No drugs 5. No DUI's.Are
you kidding me? Those are their core values? Way to shoot for the stars!
@ Lifelong UteI couldn't agree with you more.@Fred
TI am not quite sure how you say that it wasn't taken in
religious context. I am not aware of anything else that uses baptism except for
faithful and religious purposes.@TedHI see what you are
saying, however, this is not the mind set and opinion of all Ute fans.This should not have happened. Blechen is a great player, I love the passion
with which he plays. But the kid has sure made some poor judgements over his
time at the U.But as I said I agreed with Lifelong Ute. Whit needs
to quit covering for his guys and have them start taking the fall. I know
leaders take it for their men, but these are kids who still need direction. And
if he doesn't get a handle on it, these are the only players your program
will attract and it will only set the program up for a fall. And I would hate
to see that.Go BRUINS!!!!
Two of them have been baptized by immersion, one of them is LDS, probably where
they got the idea for some of it.
Rivalry week...Stirring the pot...lol.Anybody that has participated
in sports and has been in a locker room knows about the horse play...Yes, at byu
Is this there way of "leaving religion" out of football like
they're always crying about?Pathetic
No offense taken. At least not by the picture shown.I suppose you
could title the picture, "Flunk'in and dunk'in"I
didn't take it to be religious in any context.
Proving Max right, one day at a time
Gee, I wonder if there is any chance the sports talk radio guys will hype this
for all its worth.
Wow, stay classy Utah!