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Published: Friday, Sept. 20 2013 5:00 p.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Liberal,

I don't know which article you read, but if you read the article that the rest of us read, you certainly didn't understand it. You cided me for bringing up Obama, because you said that the article was about the Republicans. Did you even read the third and fourth paragraphs?

Let me quote: "This year, they believe a shutdown would strengthen their hand politically, which is almost certainly true given the public outrage that would rain down on Republicans."

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I read it, again, and I didn't read "Obama" in there anywhere...again.
It's your myopic fixation with him.

The article is about the chaos within the Republican party, and mentions how the Democrats will exploit it to their advantage, period.
Obama had nothing to do with it.

You keeping reading "Obama" the bogggieman into every single discussion.
It's sad really.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Liberal,

How silly of me to think that you thought that Obama was the President, you know, the man who sits behind the desk in the Oval Office. I totally forgot that you still wish that Bush was sitting at that desk. Let me quote a sentence from the article: "For the White House, not having to court independents as much as they did before President Obama’s second election frees them up to take more chances."

Unless Obama is permanently on vacation, or golfing, or bowling, or out campaigning for a impossible 3rd term, he is still the man who sits behind the desk.

The people have directed their Representatives, including Matheson, to fund all parts of the government except ObamaCare. The Democrats are talking about shutting down the government. The Republicans have no interest in hurting the aged, the infirm, the poverty stricken - but some Democrats will use those people for political fodder. They will cause hardship and hurt on those who need help the most, and then they'll lie and tell us that the Republicans did it.

Which is worse, their lie or their deed?

glendenbg
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mike Richards - Your statement "The people have directed their Representatives, including Matheson, to fund all parts of the government except ObamaCare." assumes facts not in evidence. A recent poll from The Morning Consul found that only 34% of Americans want the bill defunded.

If your case is built on the 2012 election, the results do not support your claim. President Obama campaigned on the bill and won reelection - beating Mitt Romney b 4% points. Nationwide, Democratic congressional candidates received 51% of the votes cast, to Republicans 49%. In 2012, Republicans lost seats in the House, although they retained a majority, it was a smaller majority. Democrats retained control of the Senate against very long odds.

Your claim that Democrats want to shut down the government is patently false. It is Republicans who are on record calling for a government shut down, including Utah's own Mike Lee. Democrats are aware they may politically benefit from a shutdown but they aren't causing it.

If you wish to defend the shutdown, please do so, but do so based on the facts.

one old man
Ogden, UT

If the GOP does shut government down, they are guaranteeing they will be out of office for a long, long time.

Hopefully American voters will be smart enough to recognize total stupidity when they see it.

(Even some Utah voters might be smart enough . . . . )

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mike Richards
" The Republicans have no interest in hurting the aged, the infirm, the poverty stricken "

Yes they do, going after Obamacare directly harms the infirm and poverty stricken.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

The far right can't win on the merits in its battle against the Affordable Care Act, so it tries an end-run by attaching an extraneous provision to a necessary bill -- the bill to fund the workings of the federal government. What should happen is simple -- the Senate should remove this extraneous provision from the funding bill, pass it and send the "clean" bill back to the House. The House, and especially its far-right members, can then determine whether is more important to work for the good of the country (and pass the bill funding the government) or play politics to appease its base (and shut down the government). If the far right gives a fig about the country and its people, it will approve the bill.

I am waiting to see the far right appropriately deal with the Affordable Care Act. Since they don't like it they should come up with a plan that will accomplish what the ACA does -- provide universal insurance in a way they think is better. Maybe the (extremely far right) Heritage Foundation could revise the plan they originally conceived, since the ACA is originally their work.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Denial due to pre-existing conditions.

When the Republicans can come up with an answer that ONE condition,
I'll give anything they say consideration.

Otherwise - No just means no.
No ideas, No alternatives, No plan, No suggestions, No, Nada, Zip.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

The federal government pays the salary of lots of people in Utah. The shutdown will directly hurt Utahns.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yes, WRZ, apparently the president can choose which bills he will enforce and which he will not.

Remember all those "signing statements" from GWBush? Statements he attached to bills he didn't like just before he signed them because he knew he couldn't override a veto? In each statement, he told us right up front that he would not obey the new law.

Have we had any "signing statements" from this president?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@one old man 1:12 p.m. Sept. 23, 2013

Yes, WRZ, apparently the president can choose which bills he will enforce and which he will not.

Remember all those "signing statements" from GWBush? Statements he attached to bills he didn't like just before he signed them because he knew he couldn't override a veto? In each statement, he told us right up front that he would not obey the new law.

Have we had any "signing statements" from this president?

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Yes, our President has issued signing statements. He has issued a total of 22 during all the time he has been inn office. GWBush issued more than that in 2001. He issued a total of 109 in his first term and 50 in his second term for a total of 159. He really makes the president look like a piker, doesn't he?

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