Published: Friday, Sept. 20 2013 5:00 p.m. MDT
I don't think that a government shutdown is inevitable. I don't
think Republicans want to shut the government down (they are just posturing).
They won't say it, but I think Democrats would like to see the government
shutdown more than Republicans. Then they get to make Republicans look nuts
and blame everything bad that happens in the next few years on them again.I do think ObamaCare is inevitable (and most Republicans know that).
This is all just a show. They know we're getting ObamaCare and
there's nothing they can do about it. They also know that in a decade or
so we will have single-payer National Healthcare (like Obama and his handlers
admitted when they didn't know they were being recorded).The
unintended consequences that go with ObamaCare will be so bad almost everybody
in America is going to BEG for single-payer system. It will just take a decade
or so to get everybody miserable enough to give in.But IF
Republicans hold their ground past the deadline... remember... government
shutdowns happen frequently (during Clinton administration and several during
Reagan administration), they are not a big deal.
No big deal.Congress will still get paid.The rest of us
might suffer.But Congress will still get paid.Disgusting!
Let's see if I understand what's going on. The Republicans are
refusing to fund a bill that Obama refuses to implement. Obama is threatening
to shut down the government unless the Republicans fund the bill that he refuses
to implement. What's wrong with Obama?
“Unlike mainstream Republicans, who appreciate the damage a shutdown would
inflict on their party, the Tea Partiers consider it a win-win,” says
Scheiber about the struggle going on within the GOP.======In other words, The Tea-Party is willing to sink the ship - Republican
AND all of America in order to "win".Disgusting, Treasonous!BTW- Kudo's to Freeman Stevenson - who has
done a superb job with the Deseret News so far!Keep up the good work.FYI Richards -- Your rant about Obama is OFF topic.This
article is about the House Republicans, but I know your myopic opinions
can't see that.
We have a law, that some don't like, so to prevent it from being enforced,
they choose to shut down the government, rather than do the hard work of finding
a replacement that makes everyone satisfied. Lets see, would that work with
laws about enforcement of prostitution? Perhaps speeding laws.... just defund
that State Patrol? Noise on your street, defund the DOT. Don't like that
science class - pull funds from education.This is the level of
maturity, and sophistication we now have is Washington.Let me ask
you this.... if congress has the right to pick and choose which lawfully passed
laws they want to enforce.... do we as citizens have the same right to pick and
choose which laws we agree with.... and just ignore those we don't like?
Seems the message they are sending is "just because we passed a law
doesn't mean it needs to be enforced"... great message to us all.
Money bills are to originate in the House per the US Constitution... which means
the House has prime responsibility to fund the government... The House has
completed its work funding the government. If the Senate and the President
refuse to pass and sign the House bill, the onus of shutting down the government
is in their court.And another thing... counting up the number of
Republicans and Democrats in our government who can vote... The Republicans
outnumber the Democrats by 28. Dems RepubsSenate 52 46House 199 234White House 1 0Totals 252 280Difference 28So, if the bill has to go to conference for
reconciliation, the Repubs should be in the majority.
@radically_independent:"Let me ask you this.... if congress has the
right to pick and choose which lawfully passed laws they want to enforce.... do
we as citizens have the same right to pick and choose which laws we agree
with.... and just ignore those we don't like?"Let me ask
you this... can the President choose which laws, passed by the US Congress, he
will enforce because he don't like them? Apparently he can ignore the ones
he doesn't like such as the immigration laws.
The government will shut down. It may be shut down for a week or so, then it
will be back. No lasting harm will be done, although it could cause some short
term problems. Refusing to raise the debt ceiling, however, could inflict damage
on the country that could last for decades.
Holding the US economy hostage to get what they want. When they couldn't
get it through democracy.The GOP have officially become terrorists.
Open Minded Mormon,A government shutdown doesn't "sink the
ship". Stop being over-dramatic.It's not sinking the
ship. It's more like "shutting down power to the ship". Sinking
he ship is permanent (the ship is on the bottom and can't be recovered).
Cutting power is temporary, you just have to restore power when you decide where
you're going to get it going again (no big deal, just a little delay).We've had "government shutdowns" numerous times in my
lifetime (1981, 1984, 1990, 1995, 1996). Google "Government Shutdowns"
if you were not aware of this.There were several during the Reagan
Administration when Democrat controlled Congress couldn't get along with
the Republican President who insisted on spending cuts. There were several
shutdowns during the Clinton Administration when spending was getting out of
control and Congress had a showdown with the President because they had made a
contract with America to turn entitlement spending around to get elected.Bottom line... learn your history. Government shutdowns happen
frequently. It isn't the end of the world or sinking the ship.
It's a way for Congress to get the President's to the table.
@Roland Kayser:"The government will shut down."There's no need to shut down the government... for even a second.Even without a budget approval by the Congress to 'fund the
government,' checks can continue to be written to pay the government's
bills. Why, you might ask? How can the government write checks without
permission of an enacted budget law appropriating funds? The answer is
simple... ignore the law... the same way any other law is ignored... such as the
immigration and deportation of illegal immigrants laws. Autocrats
like Obama don't need laws to hem them in.
Time for the President to declare a state of emergency, use emergency powers to
keep the government running, suspend Congress and order the arrest of the TP
anarchists who keep throwing a wrench into the works.
Well go ahead and shut it down republicans. You won't win another election
for 20 years.
Congress needs to start getting things done. You need to learn how to work with
each other - if you can't - then why are we, the taxpayers - paying you -
you are not doing anything for us at all.
Why should this surprise anyone?The Republicans start wars all the
time and never fund any of them either....
Liberal,I don't know which article you read, but if you read
the article that the rest of us read, you certainly didn't understand it.
You cided me for bringing up Obama, because you said that the article was about
the Republicans. Did you even read the third and fourth paragraphs?Let me quote: "This year, they believe a shutdown would strengthen their
hand politically, which is almost certainly true given the public outrage that
would rain down on Republicans."Obama is playing politics.
Obama is thumbing his nose at the will of the people as expressed by the
People's Representatives. Obama is demanding that implemenation of his
ObamaCare be postponed until after the 2014 election - and then getting exactly
what he wanted, just like sequestration.If the fully funded
government is shut down, that shutdown will be laid at the feet of the
Democrats. No matter how many times the President tells us that the Republicans
refused to fund government, anyone who can read can see that the Republicans
fully funded government except for the ObamaCare TAX. The Court reminded us
that Congress has the authority to levy on not levy a TAX.
The media has done a good job of convincing everyone that it will be the
Republicans fault if Obama shuts down the Govt.
@wrzConference committee doesn't treat each member equally.
You'd be getting something like 3 members of each party from each of the
House and Senate.
Consider an even darker scenario. Big capital, e.g. the Koch brothers, wants to
acquire complete control of our system. They especially despise
"Obamacare" because it might give more freedom to those lacking health
insurance and those threatened with losing it - i.e. people might become less
afraid - a frightened employee is a good obedient employee. Moreover, big
capital is willing to crash the current system, with a debt default, to gain the
upper hand; they would remain after the resultant global crash because of their
property. One thing I know for sure - the current crisis is being orchestrated
- it is not spontaneous.
I never take this seriously. It's all just a scripted Drama put out there
by Washington in order to distract us from things like NSA spying and the Syria
situation which isn't going to well for Obama.
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