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Published: Friday, Sept. 20 2013 5:00 p.m. MDT

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2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I don't think that a government shutdown is inevitable. I don't think Republicans want to shut the government down (they are just posturing). They won't say it, but I think Democrats would like to see the government shutdown more than Republicans. Then they get to make Republicans look nuts and blame everything bad that happens in the next few years on them again.

I do think ObamaCare is inevitable (and most Republicans know that). This is all just a show. They know we're getting ObamaCare and there's nothing they can do about it. They also know that in a decade or so we will have single-payer National Healthcare (like Obama and his handlers admitted when they didn't know they were being recorded).

The unintended consequences that go with ObamaCare will be so bad almost everybody in America is going to BEG for single-payer system. It will just take a decade or so to get everybody miserable enough to give in.

But IF Republicans hold their ground past the deadline... remember... government shutdowns happen frequently (during Clinton administration and several during Reagan administration), they are not a big deal.

one old man
Ogden, UT

No big deal.

Congress will still get paid.

The rest of us might suffer.

But Congress will still get paid.

Disgusting!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Let's see if I understand what's going on. The Republicans are refusing to fund a bill that Obama refuses to implement. Obama is threatening to shut down the government unless the Republicans fund the bill that he refuses to implement.

What's wrong with Obama?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

“Unlike mainstream Republicans, who appreciate the damage a shutdown would inflict on their party, the Tea Partiers consider it a win-win,” says Scheiber about the struggle going on within the GOP.

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In other words,
The Tea-Party is willing to sink the ship - Republican AND all of America in order to "win".

Disgusting,
Treasonous!

BTW-
Kudo's to Freeman Stevenson - who has done a superb job with the Deseret News so far!
Keep up the good work.

FYI Richards --
Your rant about Obama is OFF topic.
This article is about the House Republicans, but I know your myopic opinions can't see that.

radically_independent
Orem, Utah

We have a law, that some don't like, so to prevent it from being enforced, they choose to shut down the government, rather than do the hard work of finding a replacement that makes everyone satisfied. Lets see, would that work with laws about enforcement of prostitution? Perhaps speeding laws.... just defund that State Patrol? Noise on your street, defund the DOT. Don't like that science class - pull funds from education.

This is the level of maturity, and sophistication we now have is Washington.

Let me ask you this.... if congress has the right to pick and choose which lawfully passed laws they want to enforce.... do we as citizens have the same right to pick and choose which laws we agree with.... and just ignore those we don't like? Seems the message they are sending is "just because we passed a law doesn't mean it needs to be enforced"... great message to us all.

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

Money bills are to originate in the House per the US Constitution... which means the House has prime responsibility to fund the government... The House has completed its work funding the government. If the Senate and the President refuse to pass and sign the House bill, the onus of shutting down the government is in their court.

And another thing... counting up the number of Republicans and Democrats in our government who can vote... The Republicans outnumber the Democrats by 28.

Dems Repubs
Senate 52 46
House 199 234
White House 1 0
Totals 252 280

Difference 28

So, if the bill has to go to conference for reconciliation, the Repubs should be in the majority.

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

@radically_independent:
"Let me ask you this.... if congress has the right to pick and choose which lawfully passed laws they want to enforce.... do we as citizens have the same right to pick and choose which laws we agree with.... and just ignore those we don't like?"

Let me ask you this... can the President choose which laws, passed by the US Congress, he will enforce because he don't like them? Apparently he can ignore the ones he doesn't like such as the immigration laws.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The government will shut down. It may be shut down for a week or so, then it will be back. No lasting harm will be done, although it could cause some short term problems. Refusing to raise the debt ceiling, however, could inflict damage on the country that could last for decades.

TeaGuy
Seattle, WA

Holding the US economy hostage to get what they want. When they couldn't get it through democracy.

The GOP have officially become terrorists.

Disgusting

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded Mormon,
A government shutdown doesn't "sink the ship". Stop being over-dramatic.

It's not sinking the ship. It's more like "shutting down power to the ship". Sinking he ship is permanent (the ship is on the bottom and can't be recovered). Cutting power is temporary, you just have to restore power when you decide where you're going to get it going again (no big deal, just a little delay).

We've had "government shutdowns" numerous times in my lifetime (1981, 1984, 1990, 1995, 1996). Google "Government Shutdowns" if you were not aware of this.

There were several during the Reagan Administration when Democrat controlled Congress couldn't get along with the Republican President who insisted on spending cuts. There were several shutdowns during the Clinton Administration when spending was getting out of control and Congress had a showdown with the President because they had made a contract with America to turn entitlement spending around to get elected.

Bottom line... learn your history. Government shutdowns happen frequently. It isn't the end of the world or sinking the ship. It's a way for Congress to get the President's to the table.

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

@Roland Kayser:
"The government will shut down."

There's no need to shut down the government... for even a second.

Even without a budget approval by the Congress to 'fund the government,' checks can continue to be written to pay the government's bills. Why, you might ask? How can the government write checks without permission of an enacted budget law appropriating funds? The answer is simple... ignore the law... the same way any other law is ignored... such as the immigration and deportation of illegal immigrants laws.

Autocrats like Obama don't need laws to hem them in.

Freonpsandoz
Los Angeles, CA

Time for the President to declare a state of emergency, use emergency powers to keep the government running, suspend Congress and order the arrest of the TP anarchists who keep throwing a wrench into the works.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

Well go ahead and shut it down republicans. You won't win another election for 20 years.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

Congress needs to start getting things done. You need to learn how to work with each other - if you can't - then why are we, the taxpayers - paying you - you are not doing anything for us at all.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Why should this surprise anyone?

The Republicans start wars all the time and never fund any of them either....

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Liberal,

I don't know which article you read, but if you read the article that the rest of us read, you certainly didn't understand it. You cided me for bringing up Obama, because you said that the article was about the Republicans. Did you even read the third and fourth paragraphs?

Let me quote: "This year, they believe a shutdown would strengthen their hand politically, which is almost certainly true given the public outrage that would rain down on Republicans."

Obama is playing politics. Obama is thumbing his nose at the will of the people as expressed by the People's Representatives. Obama is demanding that implemenation of his ObamaCare be postponed until after the 2014 election - and then getting exactly what he wanted, just like sequestration.

If the fully funded government is shut down, that shutdown will be laid at the feet of the Democrats. No matter how many times the President tells us that the Republicans refused to fund government, anyone who can read can see that the Republicans fully funded government except for the ObamaCare TAX. The Court reminded us that Congress has the authority to levy on not levy a TAX.

KDave
Moab, UT

The media has done a good job of convincing everyone that it will be the Republicans fault if Obama shuts down the Govt.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@wrz
Conference committee doesn't treat each member equally. You'd be getting something like 3 members of each party from each of the House and Senate.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Consider an even darker scenario. Big capital, e.g. the Koch brothers, wants to acquire complete control of our system. They especially despise "Obamacare" because it might give more freedom to those lacking health insurance and those threatened with losing it - i.e. people might become less afraid - a frightened employee is a good obedient employee. Moreover, big capital is willing to crash the current system, with a debt default, to gain the upper hand; they would remain after the resultant global crash because of their property. One thing I know for sure - the current crisis is being orchestrated - it is not spontaneous.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

I never take this seriously. It's all just a scripted Drama put out there by Washington in order to distract us from things like NSA spying and the Syria situation which isn't going to well for Obama.

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