Great article Jeff!These stories are worth reading. The lessons
learned are worth applying.I think Kyle Wittingham is a very good
coach and the UofU is lucky he is there. His players are better because of
him.I also see now that BYU is very fortunate to have Bronco. He is
changing generations by embracing BYU's mission and philosophy. BYU and
Bronco are a unique fit for many players.Go Cougs!
Silent Lurker and others: Yes, you are right that BYU fans heckle opposing
team's players. However, the percentage of BYU fans that heckle compared
to Utah's hecklers is FAR LESS. Plus, Utah's hecklers use profanity
that is most times gutter language! Yes, there are some times that you will
hear some minimal swearing from BYU fans but it doesn't hold a candle to
WA_Alum&Dad,"We are judged by the company we keep. How do Ute fans
hold their heads up while tolerating the constant bad behavior of other Ute
fans? I didn't understand it 30 years ago, and I don't understand it
now."Being from Washington, are we to assume you are a bleeding
hart liberal pot smoker? No, because we shouldn't judge people we
don't know. I don't know how you can sit there and act like BYU fans
are classier or more respectful than Utah fans? All this while supposedly
holding ones self (and ones company) to a higher standard of a representative of
a church I am a member of. I didn't understand this type of hypocrisy as a
child and I don't understand it now.
KVN,Purpose, redemption, hope, resolve, change,. You walk the walk
brother and have given us all an example of how to become better. Actions are
more significant than just words.Thanks.
I had season tickets to Utah and took my young boys, but the foul mouthed drunks
at the Utah game, not just against BYU but all teams convinced me I didn"t
want to expose my family to any more of it
With Kyle being my brother it has been pretty awesome seeing his transformation.
None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes. I think it is important however
to remember that situations like these happen on a daily basis where BYU
students make mistakes and are given second chances to prove themselves.
Hey, Who am I Sir, complete your present applicable fight song,i.e., Who am I
sir, a PAC10 + 2 bottom dweller am I. That is correct, isn't it?
I graduated from the U. My Dad is a die-hard Cougar fan. I had a relative
playing for Stanford when they beat the Cougs in LES. During that game, my Dad
was forced to wear a Stanford shirt, but was a good sport about it.During halftime, my Dad was walking to the bathroom when out a group of
obnoxious BYU fans jumped right up in his face, screaming, "You suck!
Stanford sucks! You suck, dude!!!" (Shocker, right? "Our fans would
NEVER do something like that!" Please.) Calmly reaching into his wallet, my
Dad flashed his BYU alumni card, and simply said, "Shut up!"My relative playing for Stanford said that of all the teams in the PAC-10 (at
the time), Oregon State had the dirtiest players, by things that would happen in
a pile up, degree of trash talking, etc. But he went on to say that by far, the
team that trumped them all was BYU. He's a rough and tumble guy, and even
he was shocked at things BYU players said the entire game, things he'd
never even heard before. So don't kid yourselves. BYU has plenty of
classless players and fans, too.
I like Van Noy's story. He has become a good man and will do good things
in the world after he leaves BYU. Thanks to Bronco for believing in him and
giving him the chance to become the mane he is.
For anyone who says they can't change, this kid is proof you can. And to
play in a bowl game and after your thoughts are turned to a national tragedy of
that year. That shows tremendous growth as a person and human being. This kid
is an example to all of us on how to behave. So proud of Kyle for his tenacity
not only on the field but off it as well.
This article is about Kyle Van Noy, not about which fanbase between U and BYU is
classier.Kyle is all class, and yes while there are other athletes
out there that are like him, they are rare and the exception, not the norm.Kyle never gloats after wins, like number 87 was doing to JD Falslev
last year. Just saying.Now I would like to get some articles about
Hoffman. Why he chose to stay, and how his experience is going at an LDS
affiliated school that is mostly white and "stone-cold sober."
Silent Lurker"Perhaps you should dress as a Utah fan and sit in
an unknown area to see how it feels to be the visitor in a Utah vs. BYU game at
BYU."I've attended dozens of BYU-Utah games since the
70's and frankly there's no comparison between the boorishness of a
large segment of Utah fans at RES today and the relatively mild heckling of a
few BYU fans at LES.The behavior of Utah fans has changed
dramatically in the last dozen or so years.As a Utah student (btw,
Utah grad), I once sat in the middle of the Utah student section dressed in blue
and was mildly heckled by Utah fans.I was sitting in the middle of
the Crimson Club dressing in BYU blue for Beck-to-Harline and was treated with
respect by Crimson Club members.But, I've also witnessed a Utah
spend the entire game with his back to the field screaming obscenities at the
BYU fans seated 10 rows above him, and the same type of behavior repeated at
many recent games at RES.
@WA_Alum&DadWhich Utah fans tolerate the bad behavior? In
section W10 it isn't tolerated. We've asked security to remove unruly
fans. When I was with my daughters post-game a few years ago I called out a
drunk Utah student who was yelling expletives about BYU. He wanted to fight me
which was fine because I could deal with it. But, do you blame others that
don't even want to think about getting into a fist fight? It's real
easy take potshots when you don't know all the facts. And then
there's the matter of pride. Which do you consider the worst sin: pride
or boorish behavior? How can BYU fans hold their heads up while tolerating the
constant prideful behavior of other BYU fans?
The reason why DN keeps writing articles on Jimmer/Ziggy/KVN is because they
know that they will be read. Their paychecks are dependent on eyeballs viewing
their pages. It's simple economics. All fans need to keep it
classy. Emotions will be running high this week, but it is only a game. An
important game, but a game nonetheless. Having attended both schools, I can
honestly say that they are both good institutions. A lot more similarities than
the extreme fans like to admit. I loved attending BYU and I bleed
blue. Go Cougs! BTW that was James Lark not Riley Nelson that threw that INT.
Silent Lurker,I am a season ticket holder at LES. I am full bore,
BLUE and WHITE face paint, Blue Mohawk, Fire the cannon BYU Touchdown Club
Member, Cougar Club member. I have nothing but nice things to say about Utah
fans who have sat by us at BYU games. And I have never, EVER, been derogatory
or mean to any fan of any other school. As a fan, it is my responsibility to
represent both the LDS faith and BYU in a respectable manner. I have not been
treated the same at Rice Eccles. I will never go back to a game there wearing
Blue and White. I do have several friends who are Ute fans and they are great,
but my experience at Rice Eccles stadium has not only solidified my choice not
to go there for another game, let alone bring my wife, and also to treat ANYONE
at LES with respect.Just my 2 cents worth.
We are judged by the company we keep. How do Ute fans hold their heads up while
tolerating the constant bad behavior of other Ute fans? I didn't
understand it 30 years ago, and I don't understand it now.
Kyle seems a terrific young man., I believe he has an insurance policy for this
year too and i am sure that helped him to stay.
@DeepbluePerhaps you should dress as a Utah fan and sit in an
unknown area to see how it feels to be the visitor in a Utah vs. BYU game at
BYU. I challenge you to act as a BYU fan would act only posing as a Utah fan and
see how you are treated by your own! You might come away with a much different
perspective. Take some advise if you want to throw rocks, you should not live in
a glass house.
Thanks for returning to BYU for another year KVN. You're a shining example
of what BYU is, or at least, should be, all about.Good luck versus
Utah this Saturday - if any BYU ever deserved to go out a winner over Utah,
it's you!-------------As far as the boorish
behavior of many Utah fans, it's just a reflection of who they are. Not all
Utah fans are like that, although very few of those who aren't are willing
to step up and voice their disagreement with their fellow fans who do behave
I believe KVN was every bit as calm as you claim. I question that it was for the
reasons your article has implied. I doubt that KVN even heard any of the
heckling going on around him. Many athletes start their preparation well in
advance of game time to narrow their focus to the task at hand. Most sports
athletes block out everything but the sport itself. It is this ability to focus
that is needed to compete on a higher level. This is often the difference
between being successful and unsuccessful. I can assure you that BYU fans
heckle others just as much and as viciously as any other schools fans. You sir,
like many BYU fans want to believe that they are classier or better than other
schools fans. This is a self proclaimed myth and you should know better. It is
not because of BYU that KVN acted as any responsible adult should. It is because
he is a highly focused mature adult athlete and chooses to set his focus and
ignore the poor sportsmanship of others around him. BYU athletes are not the
only ones able to do this.
I'm not a football fan, but I appreciate your articles about KVN as a
person. Thanks to both of you!
Everyone got on Max Hall for his comments about Ute fans. Here is an unbiased
article detailing the rude obnoxious behavior of some of the Utah fans. Many
are rude and obnoxious. I've been to rivalry games at RES and literally
was concerned for my safety. I challenge whether Ute fans can say the same when
they attend a rivalry game in Provo.
KVN is the man!
KVN - A role model for this generation.
@Who Am I Sir -I'll take 5 more of these articles, or more.
They're like a breath of fresh air.
Thanks for these articles on KVN! Can't always control outside events, can
control the inner response, & direction of our lives, this is a great
message to everyone.
Stud! In every sense of the word!
I'm loving these articles. Guess I'll have to buy the book.
I believe this is the 5th straight article about Van Noy; with one more to come.
Carefull - avoid the golden calf syndrome.
Van Noy is a beast and it will be quite an accomplishment for Utah to beat his
team 4 years in a row. Nice article and expect him to have a good pro career.
I'm not sure that BYU could ask more of their football program right now.
Last year it was all about Ansah, the super humble what's football? guy
going to the NFL. Now it's going to be all about Van Noy. A guy who could
have gone anywhere, stayed at BYU despite his challenges, came back because he
wanted to prove that he could graduate and inspire others to do the same. Two
super-awesome football players that represent both the University and the church
A fisherman trolls, fish take the bait.
And I think this is the year Kyle makes you eat your words. You sounded good
eating those bitter things after the Texas game. Don't know what you
sounded like after the OSU game because I just didn't care. But maybe you're getting good at it. Those sharp bitter words go down as
easy as you throw them up?
In a messy world, it's nice to focus the attention on the peacemakers.
That picture with the story is awesome. KVN is like superman. Not only does he
fly around blockers, he literally FLIES around them too!!