@Rural sport fan"a misleading statistic due to the fact that more than
half of those deaths are suicide, so those people could have used any number of
other methods..."Gun suicides have a higher... success rate (I
realize that's a morbid way of putting it). Other methods tend to be slower
and involve more time for the individual attempting it to change their mind."But lets compare that to the 40,000 deaths caused by automobiles
annually, shall we? "Sure. Does that mean we can have a
universal gun registration and required training to make sure the person using
them knows how to use them responsibly? While I'm for gun control, I
don't support bans on all guns. I just think we need smarter regulation to
make sure that guns are only (as much as possible) in the hands of responsible
people.@Tators"Obviously, people who play violent video
games don't like to make correlations concerning them, but that
doesn't mean they don't exist. "Correlation vs
causation. Do people who play violent video games develop an interest in guns or
do people with an interest in guns develop an interest in violent video games?
Has he been checked for drugs? I seems they never tell us that.
Re: Rural Sports Fan: Your logic is flawed. Stating the worn out
"Guns don't kill, people kill." How about grenades don't
kill, people kill. Would you feel comfortable with people buying grenades. Use
your head. People with guns kill a lot of people and these horrible events are
becoming common place in our society because we are failing to address the gun
issue. Yes, a lot of gun deaths are suicides. Is that good logic? distraught
people easily kill themselves with a gun. It is difficult to O.D. and it is
difficult to stab yourself to death. Reducing violent death - self inflicted or
not should be our goal. Please think through the lack of logic in the NRA's
Taters: I don't play violent video games and don't like them. Do you
have a source for the assertion that "most mass killers have histories with
violent games"? I would also take issue with your claim that "Owning a
gun doesn't effect [sic] how a person thinks..." You've heard the
expression, "Give a guy a hammer and everything becomes a nail"?
Someone with a gun is far more likely to feel the need to use it in a
confrontation than someone who doesn't have one. A quick note
for "Heisenburg": The game is called "Chutes and Ladders", not
"Shoots and Ladders," and it has nothing to do with shooting or guns.
Too bad the Missionaries had not knocked on his door a few days before this
happenedHe could have been saved and perhaps not commited this horrible
crime against his fellow man and himself?
@Tators100% of people who murder someone with a gun had a gun. Less than
100% of them played violent video games.
Obviously, people who play violent video games don't like to make
correlations concerning them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Very few violent video game users become mass killers, but most mass
killers have histories with violent games. It's a correlation and a fact
that can't and shouldn't be ignored. Owning a gun
doesn't effect effect how a person thinks nearly as much as how long-term
usage of violent games (acting out violence) does. Psychologists are coming to
that conclusion more and more often... like it or not. To most of us,
that's just common sense.
I heard he also played Monopoly, Sorry, and Shoot and Ladders! SHOOTS AND
LADDERS PEOPLE When are we going to put a stop to the madness of these horrid
games?!? How can we NOT expect sane individuals to go on a shooting rampage
after 6 hours of Shoots and Ladders???
I would guess that the side effects of his prescription medications had more to
do with his delusions and violence than some pixels on a screen.
Violent video games and gun usage - same old song from both extreme ends of the
party affiliation spectrum. As people previously mentioned, perhaps it's
his PTSD, or alcoholism, or perhaps he was just a poor individual who was not
mentally stable from childhood. Perhaps finger pointing shouldn't be
directed towards "Zombie" video games and firearm ownership. Perhaps
the government should take a long and hard look at who they accept and what they
put those people through. Furthermore, why doesn't anybody
raise the theory that virtual violence could be a therapeutic outlet to vent
rage and frustration rather than turn to actual violence. Heaven forbid
somebody ever has an intelligent discussion about this. Sometimes,
I think it's an 80/20 rule in this country: with the 80 percent being
people are ridiculously and sadly ignorant or stupid or both. And the loudest
voices are the dumbest of the 80%. I've lost hope in this nation.
So guns are involved in 30,000 deaths per year...a misleading statistic due to
the fact that more than half of those deaths are suicide, so those people could
have used any number of other methods...But lets compare that to the
40,000 deaths caused by automobiles annually, shall we? By the way, those
deaths are mostly accidental...can you imagine the carnage if people used cars
intentionally as weapons of destruction?No one is saying we should
wake up and ban automobiles, are they? SO why the ridiculous call for guns to
be banned?Maybe people should grow up and realize that guns
aren't the problem, people are the problem, and if we really want to make
things better, we need to quit whining about the methods used by nut jobs and
criminals, and take better care of people.
D.C. Massacre by Rockstar Games , see realistic blood splatter as you blow the
brains out of innocent people ,awesome....Until you Americans grow up and
COMPLETELY eliminate guns forever and take responsibility for the sick stuff
available in movies and games this will keep on happening and there is nothing
you can do about it.
If there were a causal relationship between violent video games and acts of
violence, we'd have hundreds of thousands of these shootings every day.
The probability of video games causing this behavior is so miniscule as to be
statistically insignificant. Let's look instead at the common factors among
these various shootings: mental illness, lack of self control, and easy access
Despite every indication that Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was on SSRI drugs
that have been linked to dozens of previous mass shootings, the mainstream media
has once again avoided all discussion of the issue, preferring instead to blame
the tragedy on a non-existent AR-15 that the gunman didn’t even use. This
really needs to come out, because these drugs are making people do things they
normally would not do. Why is it that we are not talking about these
pharmaceutical drugs that are linked to just about every mass shooting? Why are
these drugs even on the market? These are the real questions that need to be
asked, but are avoided, because the pharmaceutical industry has too much power
over our lives and the media.
Conservatives never realize when they argue against their own arguments do they?
It's called hypocrisy.So replace video games and guns with
"marijuana" and you've also made the case why marijuana
shouldn't be illegal. It can't cause any negative externalities
according to your theories. Nothing has any externalities according to
‘He can start drinking at 9:30 in the morning. He drinks often and for
fun, but it was never a problem.’ Actually, drinking
throughout the day is one of the most clear indications of a drinking problem.
This 'friend' was an enabler, and should feel guilty for not trying to
get his 'best friend' some help.
The compassion of the right for the mentally ill is touching, really it is. I
love how they want to get these people healed so that the fact that they own
guns is not such a scary proposition.
Here we go again. Of course it was the tools and not the perpetrator. And of
course there will be people who buy into it. Amazing.
Let's continue to blame everything else - and not the simple fact that he
had easy access to guns. Every year for the past ten years, 30,000 people have
lost their life to gun violence. From suicides to murder, we continue to accept
this nonsense. We need effective gun control laws that will screen gun buyers in
more detail. I hope my Utah Congressional delegation will support laws that
screen gun purchasers in a more thorough manner - including gun shows. We need
to stop avoiding this obvious problem.
Know what else was in the shooter's past? HEARING VOICES. When will the
media give up on trying to find a correlation between violent video games and
people who commit violent crimes? As Darrel so eloquently pointed out, you might
as well try to find a correlation between people who eat potato chips and
violent crimes. I guarantee you that 90% or more of the people who have killed
someone with a gun in this country have eaten potato chips at least once in
their life. THAT'S IT! WE HAVE TO BAN POTATO CHIPS! AND KAYAKING! THINK OF
looks like crisis actors may be involved in this violent production. The powers
trying to push their agenda upon the American people don't care how many
people they have to kill in the process as long as they get what they want.
Remember, guns don't kill people. Violent video games do.Wait,
I'm sorry, we have moved passed the 1980's. Saying someone plays
video games is similar to saying they eat potato chips.If it's
the gunman and not the gun, then why is the video game and not the video gamer?
Perhaps...but the extreme violence of video games are certainly not in the
clear, and to merely rule out in ones own mind that they are not a factor seems
like a hazardous mental stretch.
Really, "violent video games cloud shooter's past" in the headline?
His alcoholism, gun use, and video games are symptoms not causes of his
depression and PTSD. The real issue that should be addressed isn't that he
liked violent video games; rather it is that the shooter had mental health
problems that went untreated and unresolved.