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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 17 2013 9:37 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

We need more byu fans who support Utah.

Utah is the premier program in the state and is the only program in the last several decades who has proven they can be a top 5 program.

byu fans need to be more like usu fans. USU fans know they will never be on Utah's level and they support us as the premier program in the state.

byu fans should do the same

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Don't worry, we'll play well enough.

Why do I believe that?

We have better athletes.

Says who?

Bronco apparently.

EVERY year the last 3 years since our Pac 12 invite when you look at which kids with Utah and byu offers, you'll see that more often than not, the kids picked Utah.

Utah
Utah
Utah

That is a fact.

Bronco wanted the kids by virtue of offering them.

And most picked Utah.

perfidemintrepidus
Riverton, UT

I have many reasons to appreciate the University of Utah as a prestigious local school and provider of my financial means. The establishment of the school was founded by none other than the great Brigham Young and continues to be a fortress of wonderful academic programs along with participation in many sports. I must admire the advances made at the U's medical school and particularly the Huntsman Cancer Institute for being a national leader in finding a cure. Perhaps the contention is mainly created by an underlining religious division. This thought is in my opinion immature and a bit obnoxious as both schools have been quintessential examples of higher education facilities and both founded by LDS leaders with many of the student body being members of the LDS church.

In my family, we have fans on both sides and still enjoy the competitive nature between the athletic teams. Sure the U has the opportunity to recruit more players because it is a public school without an honor code, but that doesn't mean that the students, players, and coaches do not live up to the standards set by the original founders.

Go Cougars!

Levin
Reno, NV

Chris, I'm just glad BYU gets the privilege of playing such a high caliber team this year. And as always I'm honored with the respect you pay my alma mater by including it in the same conversation as The University of Utah, proud member of the Pacific 12 Conference. I will miss your comments during the next two years of hiatus, and would love it if you could continue to comment on BYU article during that time.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

@ChrisB, let's let the words of Gene Wojciechowski from espn this morning sum up what the world thinks of the BYU v Utah rivalry game:

"As compelling and riveting as last Saturday's games were, this week's matchups are as exciting as a zucchini festival. In other words, it's the perfect Thursday-Saturday to clean your crawl space."

I really hope Utah and BYU can play well this weekend, but I'm expecting much from the U. This is their bowl game, as even winning it the U will have a tough hill to climb just to hit 6 wins. A BYU loss puts them still at least 7 wins on the season. So here's to hoping the U clings to what little remains of their season after the Oregon State loss.

jej
SANDY, UT

Chris, I would hardly call your flash in the pan success from 2004-2008 prestigious. Answer this question for me. If Utah is such a national powerhouse and if they really have superior recruits and if they are really all you say they are, then why can they not succeed in the PAC-12?

I think Utah will eventually get it together and start fielding competitive teams in their "prestigious" conference, but I would appreciate that your comments this season reflect what Utah's program really is, a struggling PAC-12 team. It has been this way since they have entered the PAC-12. And I would hardly call their performance vs. BYU in the past 3 years as dominant. In two of those games it could have gone either way.

sunshiner
st.george, ut

Great article. Remember the word "Fan" is short for "fanatic." A good humored fanatic is much more appreciated than an obnoxious, overbearing foul-mouthed one. There are some on both sides. I have been to BYU games where sometimes I've have had a miserable experience because of my own BYU fans. There is nothing uglier than an LDS man acting like a anger-crazed lunatic. On the other hand, I will NEVER go to a Utah home game again because I honestly don't feel safe after some unsettling experiences there. The same with Utah State. It's a real shame. I've been to many away games across the country where the fans of that school treated us with nothing but kindness and respect, along with the good-natured ribbing. Wish we could do that here in this state where most profess to believe in a God that cares about character and how we treat each other.

Abefroman22
Farmington, UT

Honestly, we Utah fans need less fans like Chris B. The rivalry game is great, and I love the Utes. I never miss a home game, and am a season ticket holder. I loved this article. I have never understood why the game has to bring out the worst in so many people. I share friendly barbs with my co-workers and friends that are BYU fans, and I sure hope Utah mops the floor with the Cougs. In the end though, the game has no impact on the things that are important in my life (family, friends, religion, etc.). I would hope that we can all be respectful this week and enjoy some great football! Go UTES!

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

@sunshiner - I've attended a few big profile away games, the '97 Cotton Bowl and BYU vs Florida State in Jacksonville in 2000. Both games had the few oddballs, drunk FSU fans fighting with each other, KState fans in our faces before the game started. But you're right, for the most part the fans of other teams left us alone and celebrated good games from both teams. KState fans were even kind after BYU won that game. It's time BYU and Utah fans looked for competitive contests and good, fair play. Maybe now that there isn't a conference championship on the line it can get more civil.

Tuffy Parker
Salem, UT

Chris, Chris, Chris, Always the king of hyperbole...

Since you asked, BYU has had a top five finish "in the last several decades". In fact, assuming several means more than two, I believe there is that small issue of a national championship within that time frame.

And as you brought up "the last several decades" as the measuring stick, did you want to discuss and compare top 25 final rankings?

Truth be told, the Utes did have a nice run in the last decade but looking at where things are today as a bottom dweller in their new conference, it's tough to believe there is much bragging to do.

Now, before you fall back to your familiar refrain of Cougar fans always living in the past, remember it was you who brought the past into the discussion.

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

JEJ,

Why has Utah struggled in the Pac 12?

Are you seriously asking this? I can explain simple concepts to you, but I can't understand them for you.

You do know that Utah doesn't play byu 12 times a year right?

If we did, our record would be much better.

WE play Pac 12 teams who have typically even better recruiting than we do.

Thanks for helping to further prove my point that recruiting matters.

Did you really not understand this simple concept?

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

JEJ,

I'm trying to think of the simplest way to explain this to you, why Utah has struggled in the Pac 12.

Better athletes often lead to better team.

Utah is better than byu with a main reason being we have better athletes.

Now why do you think Utah has struggled in the Pac 12?

Pac 12 teams are often better than Utah, who in turn is usually better than byu.

Maybe this will help:

Most Pac 12 teams > Utah > byu

That help?

Spider Rico
Greeley, CO

Simple solution - both teams can wear purple

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Nice article.

And Chris never fails to let us down, and act with class as the article suggests.

Chris, do you have season tickets to Utah games to cheer your team on, or do you have season tickets to BYU just to boo the team?

mindgames
Aurora, CO

@sunshiner Obviously you have never had the pleasure of attending a BYU game in the state of Wyoming. I think those folks think we ruined their glass lands when we trekked our way to Utah.

They treat the visiting BYU fans with disrespect from the time we walk in until they can see the taillights leaving the state.

I am not sure of all the reasons we chose independence when we did, but not playing in Laramie every other year has to be high on the list.

Foul language and thrown whisky bottles were just two of the things I didn't like about attending games there. The only good thing I can remember is winning almost all the games. I guess crudeness doesn't add points for your side.

I hope that 5% of the people don't ruin a great game for everybody else this week.

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

Jej

"if they really have superior recruits and if they are really all you say they are, then why can they not succeed in the PAC-12?"

Who did I say Utah had superior recruits to?

byu

Comparing Utah's record against Pac 12 only further proves my point. Pac 12 teams on average have even better recruits than Utah; thus Utah's struggles in the Pac 12.

I only ever said Utah has superior recruits to byu.

Did you really not understand that?

ChristoperB
Salt Lake, UT

JEJ,

Answer me this, what does Utah's Pac 12 record have to do with my claim that Utah is better than byu because we have better athletes?

But yes, let's go along with your failed attempt to disprove what I'm saying, you only further PROVE my point.

Pac 12 teams typically have better recruiting than Utah, so it makes perfect sense that Utah has struggled.

We don't play byu 12 times a year.

Simple concept really. Not really sure what part you couldn't understand?

Here is another way to look at it:

Average Pac 12 team > Utah > byu

That help clear things up? Again, I'm not sure how I wasn't clear about my point from the beginning, but I hope this helps clear up what was a very simple concept to begin with.

Alterego
Harrisville, UT

I don't believe Utah has superior athletes but I believe Texas did. Here is something else I believe....

When it comes to football, Utah did experience a few years of "flash in the pan" success but it never replaced BYU as the most recognizable and celebrated football and athletic program in Utah and it never will because of BYU Football's relationship with LDS Church.

The football program, the Tabernacle Choir and the LDS Humanitarian Center are not only programs that provide entertainment and in the case of the Humanitarian Center, life changing services, but they are also effective missionary tools.

As long as the football program is an effective missionary tool, its funding will continue and it will CONTINUE to be the program that garners more media attention (ESPN, BYUTV, KSL, Deseret News) locally and nationally than any other in the state and the culture at BYU will continue to attract world class athletes from around the world who share similar values.

Face it Mr. B, BYU is not going anywhere. It is only getting better and stronger.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Despite christy's frantic and emotional spamming:

Lifetime
Top 25 Finishes
BYU 18
Utah 7

AP Top 25 Finishes
BYU 17
Utah 5

Top 12 Finishes
BYU 8
Utah 3

Bronco/Kyle Era
Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

AP Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 4
Kyle 2

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

----

And, the all important

Lifetime #1 Finishes
BYU 1
Utah 0

Utah's best was only 2nd best (in one poll)

ChristoperB
Salt Lake, UT

Snack WAC,

I have no problem acknowledging byu's history, and overall byu has solid football history.

I think 20 years from now most of those numbers will be the same for byu and will have improved significantly more for Utah. I just don't think byu is committed to winning like Utah is. Bronco himself states he cares more about building bishops than he does winning football team.

I'll also take Kyle's success over Bronco's anyday, and I think most fans would. Everyone in the country remembers Utah's undefeated seasons, and Utah beating Alabama in a BCS Bowl.

No one remembers byu being ranked 22nd or 19th or whatever they have been a few times.

An undefeated season as the only undefeated team in the country, with a BCS bowl win over Alabama is worth way more than a couple 20-25th ranked teams.

It seems that byu's peak these days is being ranked around 20th. And bronco is ok with that.

Whittingham has done better. And will do better

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