With great interest, I read the story yesterday about Steve Young and his wife
and seeing their efforts. I agree with Mr. Redford about granting equal rights
for all--as long as that does not mean changing the God given definition of the
sanctity of marriage. I think Mr. Redford's remarks may have inferred that,
not sure, though.
To Bob Redford, they already have rights, so let us move on to talking about
art, poetry, sunsets and science and beauty. Bob, how do you see history?
All discrimination? That is a negative way to judge our forefathers. And
where do we stop? Is polygamy next? If we outlaw polygamy, is that
discrimination? Why only have 2 people in marriage? If you can't say no
to gay marriage, you will never be able to say no to anything.
Redford believes there should be no prejudice and no discrimination ... except
for those silly Mormons. Then it's acceptable, I guess.
bw00ds. That was a rather poorly thought out post. It gave me all sorts of
heartache. You might as well have said: I agree with equal rights for all,
UNLESS it means making other people equal. Really? You just said that.
Literally. Besides, no religion owns the word "marriage". In
fact, marriage between a man and a woman in the Muslim faith, in the Buddhist
faith, or as atheists contradicts the precious "sanctity" of marriage
anyway according to how Christians would depict it. Also, I find
that your argument holds no water because "traditional marriage" as
stated in the Bible also includes a woman having to marry her rapist. A man
marrying hundreds of concubines. Polygamy. (We don't need to bring up the
sanctity in that, right? Us Mormons did that once, after all. /sarcasm)There is a problem with religion when it tries to interfere on the rights of
other people as it has done since the rise of the Catholic church. Divorce is the problem to marriage. Marriage is not its own problem. I support gay marriage. /signed an active LDS saint.
"Like you, I believe there's no place in our world for discrimination.
None." Robert RedfordWell I hope he actually believes that. So
his next stand is on Broadway condemning the musical, "The Book of
Mormon". Then he moves to California to the couples bakery that was attacked
and finally closed because the LGTB community doesn't believe in personal
choice or an individual beliefs or conscience. And finally I'm
sure he will say to the LTGB crowd, "If people believe that marriage is
between one man and one woman, why would we discriminate against their choice
of lifestyle? After all they have as much right to their beliefs as you do."
"the God given definition"Those words have been used over
and over throughout history to justify doing bad things to people.If
you're going to try to shape real-world laws using the "god given"
rules of religious texts, then you're doomed to an endless struggle trying
to defend irrationality, cruelty, and hypocrisy.
Instead of creating special rights of groups of people, why not just scale it
all back to law enforcement punishes crimes of assault, murder, and theft -
regardless of their sexuality and beliefs. Equality in the law.And
if this is about marriage rights, then the state should get out of the business
altogether - send it back to the religions to perform and enforce their views on
marriage. Let it become a theocratic debate rather than political.
Bob Redford, an entertainer. Important because he entertains people with his
festival and ski resort which boosts the economy. He entertains
people when he speaks at political fund-raising dinners, and by his stylish
dress.Thank you for entertaining people and supporting the Utah
@jrp7sen aka "active LDS saint""Poorly thought out?"
Since you are an "active LDS saint," I assume you have read the
Proclamation on the Family? That is not "poorly thought out."Quoting no-longer valid Old Testiment Jewish law does not strengthen your
argument. And divorce rates for gay marriages? Please do some research. They are
sky high. The term "marriage" is not owned by religion--it is owned by
God. By saying that religion gets in the way of the rights of others, you show a
complete lack of understanding about our church and the Plan of Salvation. I
hope that one day you will.
People!!!!! Gays have all the rights that straight people have except for
marriage and face the facts that isn't ever going to happen in Utah
christoph: Polygamy is against the law and yes is discrimination because
freedom of religion is protected under the Constitution.
jrp7senWould you support same sex Temple marriages? If so then how about
polygamist Temple marriages? Think about it.JD TractorYou
bring up a good point that is often missed by the equal rights crowd. (or they
don't really care as long as they get what they want) and that is that some
times when giving one right to one group you take away the rights of others.
For those of you who don't agree, try affirmative action or school busing
Please these are the kind of worthless stories that are killing newspapers!
Follow the Prophet or follow Redford, one can not do both. I promote the
Proclamation on the Family. It has sure worked for us. Redford lives on the
edges of Zion, not in Zion. He is clueless on the topic.
Entertainers like Redford seek publicity wherever they can get it. He speaks to
this crowd now, and gets their praise, but where was he on these issues 5 years
ago? One year ago? Why didn't he make his opinions public years ago? If his
personal beliefs are as strong as he makes them sound, what has taken him so
long to speak up?
...and the commandments of God are outdated and obsolete.Who is the
next guest speaker? Ted Turner?
There is no "God given definition of marriage" because there is no God.
There are humans that believe that a deity has spoken to them, but there is no
proof. You will say, "we must have faith" and I say faith in which god?
There are thousands that have been written about since writing was invented. Our
country is a secular one and is defined by justice and liberty for all, not
justice and liberty for those that believe as we do. Two consenting adults
should be able to enter into a marriage contract no matter their genders. Gay
marriage will come to all 50 states and the world will not end, hetero marriage
will not die, and your children will wonder what all the fuss was about.
@jrp7sen aka "active LDS saint"...I, too, am an active LDS member.
I, too, support LBGT rights, including marriage.I, too, believe the
Proclamation On The Family, and the principle that in this day God's
defination of marriage is limited to A man and A woman.We live in a
land of laws governed by the Constitution and Supreme Court interpretation of
it. Thus in some churches women hold their priesthood (eg Episcopalian). It is
Constitutionally lawful to use the Name of Deity in vain. In fact it is
Constitutional to break 7 of the Ten Commandments.If the Supreme
Court rules that gay marriage is lawful, I support it, because I support the
Constitution. And I would defend all those freedoms given under it.In the case of Gay Rights, I know they are discriminated against in marriage
as well as other areas. This is not aligned with our country's
freedoms.That being said, I do believe it is against the Will of God
(at this time). I tend to agree with Steve Young's wife that the Church
does "evolve" and very well could change the stance if homosexuality
were determined to be a genetic variattion.
I love and respect people who experience same-sex attraction (whether they
choose to call themselves gay or not).And it is because I love them
that it saddens me to see the world try to flatter them into limited, temporary
relationships. These people are sons and daughters of God and are WORTH MORE
than this!As children of God, we are entitled to His highest
blessings if we keep His commandments. Why are we as a society encouraging some
people to live beneath their privilege? Surely this is not what God intends for
IronmanSANTA CLARA, UT...and the commandments of God are outdated
and obsolete.Who is the next guest speaker? Ted Turner?No, not Ted. How 'bout Anthony Weiner!
Robert Redford is the biggest embarrassment to the state of Utah. He certainly
is no Utahan, and does not represent the average Utahan's views on
anything. I wish he would just pack up and move back to California where he
could be among like-minded people. I used to like Redford when he
was just an actor and didn't try to push his liberal ideals on everyone
else. "JUST SHUT-UP AND ACT!"
What if it were your son/daughter who was not hired because of being Gay?What if it were your child who was the only unmarried one in the family,
although happily with a great partner (perhaps one you like more than some of
your other kids' legal mates)?What if the people here
(presumably lds Christians) who make up and twist stories -- such as claiming a
high divorce rate for Gays -- asked God to help them tell the truth?What
if some of them retreated a bit from imagining they understand the lives of
people who are different, and have the right to criticize them?What if we
all understand that some States have passed anti-discrimination laws which may
cause cake bakers problems, but are absolutely not telling churches what to do
or whom to serve?Last weekend the lds stake in Honolulu sent out a
letter to be read (sorry DN says no links) which urges political action by
mormons to restrict the rights of others, under the guise of protecting people
who believe discrimination is OK.Speculation has begun that the lds
only held back to give Romney a chance, and will return to promoting
snowmanProvo, UTPeople!!!!! Gays have all the rights that straight
people have except for marriage and face the facts that isn't ever going to
happen in UtahReally? Does Utah protect women or Blacks from job
discrimination, housing discrimination, etc? I will fall on the floor dead if
you tell me that Gays have those rights in Utah.
Bob Kporland, ORWhat if it were your son/daughter who was not
hired because of being Gay?HOW, I repeat HOW would anyone know they
were gay?That is the WHOLE POINT that is at issue in relation to
those of same gender attraction.If you are gay, you CAN NOT be
judged, slighted, marginalized, bullied, intimidated, or discriminated against
if you do not broadcast the fact. NO ONE will know, so no one can afflict you
with any kind of unwanted opinions or actions.I've heard more
than one gay finally reach the conclusion life was better for them back in the
days of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Back then, they were treated by
everyone as a fellow human, treated like everyone else--with no drama, no undue
attention, no negative attention, no consequences, no judgments, no
negativity.Sometimes, there is a downside for being in
everyone's faces and flaunting being gay.....Don't want
downsides? Don't flaunt.
Redford supports a lot of great causes including the bombing of the pentagon by
weather underground! When you receive an endorsement from a man like
that......what's the point in asking for another endorsement? Go LGBT,
allowing people like Redford to run the show just set your movement back a step!
Bob K-- "I will fall on the floor dead if you tell me that Gays have those
rights in Utah."Start falling....at least in Salt Lake CityDesNews Nov. 11 2009 "Salt Lake City has become the first Utah city
to offer housing and employment protections for gays and lesbians — an
action supported by the Mormon church."And I know for a fact
that discrimination does not happen when those of same sex attraction keep keep
that little fact to themselves in multiple other cities in Utah. Four lesbians
and two gays I know do just fine. That is because they live and let live, and
don't broadcast their sexual orientation. Just like the movie
theater I went to yesterday, where a big sign clearly said NO OUTSIDE FOOD OR
DRINKS ALLOWED. Now I could carry my food/drink in my hands and challenge them
and cause a scene and make a big public issue of it...Or I could (and did) carry
my bag of M&Ms right in --out of site-- just like I always do, and just
smile at their pointless sign...............See the connection??
happy2bhere: The church will never allow same sex temple marriages. And
polygamist have there own temples. Redford doesn't live in Utah so how can
he should he be allowed to say anything about what goes on here.
Bob K: I know of plenty of women and blacks in utah that have not been
discrimination, against for jobs or housing. If a gay couple want housing that
is easily solved by just buying a house. I know gay couples that have done that
in Utah and other states.
The negative comments about Mr Redford, who has brought money, fame, and social
acceptability to the formerly very isolated Utah, are not exactly Christian.
To: Elcapitan...you hit it right on the nose. He could care less about this
subject..he says what draws attention and money. He is a typical, average
There isn't any prejudices on his environmental issues either is
Hey. do we really love each other? I have many friends that are a part of the
LGBT community, and as far as I can tell they just want to be happy, and not
even at our expense. Why are we spending so much taxpayer funds pushing an
agenda where they are forced to go back underground, which I must say affects
their happiness. Come on everyone, can't we let human beings live the life
they want? Are you being bothered personally by all of this? Is the decision to
allow people their personnel freedoms having an overbearing effect on your life?
We all deserve to pursue happiness in our own way if it does not harm any other
being. Give it a rest, stop easting money, let people be happy. Thanks.