Thank you for presenting some data about the Common Core and the people's
view of it. In Utah, we are hearing way too much about the opposition, which is
allowing it to seem much more legitimate than it is.A group of
ultra-conservatives believe that this is "federal intrusion" because of
the way it was offered to states (in exchange for extra points on a federal
grant application).In reality, it is not a federal program at all,
and if you read the standards they are quite superior to Utah's prior
standards and we should embrace them if we care about educational standards more
than we care about politics.
"The standards have been voluntarily adopted by all but four states
..."If "voluntarily" is defined as one being able to do
as they desire, though federal funding will be withheld if they choose not to
accept these "standards" (i.e. - the state will be unable to afford to
do any educating), then I completely agree that this was voluntary. However, by
writing that statement this way, one might conclude that the author (and Deseret
News?) was trying to tilt the discussion rather than objectively reporting the
news. I hope that was not the case.Having been involved with
numerous surveys, I am well aware of the ability to slant the results based on
the way the questions are asked. I hope this survey did not include questions
of similar ilk to the sentence with which I began this comment, or one might
then have to question its voracity.
In a few years, common core will be history, and replaced by something else.
Teachers will again be blamed for an undereducated public.This cycle
keeps repeating itself, because we just can't figure out how to stop it.
The anti-common core crowd is a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. That is
why they aren't getting a plurality of opinion.
Open your eyes and do some serious research of your own on the common core. The
Common Core is nothing more than another social experiment and our kids are the
guinea pigs. It was not written by educators and there is no such thing as a one
size fits all answer. If you really believe that this is going to help our kids
get into and do better in college, do your own research you will be surprised
what the truth is. Did you know that the best teachers in your schools can be
transferred out and put into another school to make things "fair", your
principal can't do a thing about it. Most principals don't even know
that will happen. Anytime you take grant money you have sold your soul and you
have no say. If you actually did some deep research you will find that the
common core in some states had lead a huge drop out rate and non graduation
rate. It all sounds so great, please people do your own research and see what it
has really done. Don't follow blindly. Conspiracy theorist have a reason to
be concerned, they know the truth.
Seriously, it is nice to get an article about the people with common sense! Any
level headed person that actually READS the common core will realize that it is
just a set of standards that we want our kids to achieve. There is no
conspiracy. The use of the word common does not mean it is a
communist/socialist conspiracy! I've never seen a bigger mountain made out
of such a small mole hill.We want our kids to reach higher levels in
math. These standards set that bar higher. There is absolutely NO reason to
oppose them. Just take a minute and READ them. I'm just glad
we have parents in Utah with common sense even though the media loves to play to
the fringe crowd.
I would love for the Dnews to do another story about who is behind the
"grading" system now being used by the legislature. Just a little bit
of research will show that the pro voucher organization that calls themselves
"parents for choice in education" is behind it. Why? and why did it
turn out to be such a mess? That is exactly what they wanted to happen. Now
the good schools look bad because they aren't showing "growth" and
the bad schools look good because they were the lowest of the low but have shown
some improvement. Sound confusing? That is exactly what they wanted. Any
effort to confuse the public about our schools is time well spent for their
@Orem Parent, I can tell you right now you have not done enough honest research
on the subject. When you do and you find out who and what is behind it all you
will be very disturbed. You are being told what you want to hear. Do your own
research. Start reading professional journals on the subject take a good look at
the outcomes IN ALL of the states it has been used in. I liked it at first and
thought what a great idea. Then I started seriously reading about it and digging
into it, just not one article that told me what I wanted hear. There is more to
it than you realize.
Let's see, the DNews runs a straight story, not an editorial, about real
data collected from real, practicing teachers, yet "Conspiracy theorist have
a reason to be concerned, they know the truth," wrote toocoolforcoug. It
I have done the research. It is what I said it is, a set of standards. Nothing
more, nothing less. Take off the tin foil hat and realize that no one is out to
get you or your kids. There is no conspiracy. People and certain groups are
really losing their grip on reality with this one. I can't even imagine
living my life like that. It really is scary to see what lengths people will go
to in order to justify what they want to believe is true. Scary.
Socialist education, is a system in which the government owns the means.Communist education, is a system where government plans, and controls
schools.@Orem Parent--I don't know what you're looking at,
but our schools appears to fit the communist/socialist definition.
I don't have to know one sentence from the Common Core to ask just one
question: What is it about the federal government that otherwise good citizens
want that can't or shouldn't be done at the State or local level? It
is an absolute mystery to me how Utahns, supposedly a bastion of Constitution
loving citizens, defer their self-worth, dignity, and 'education' to
an entity thousands of miles away that can't figure out how to teach
reading and writing skills, let alone critical thinking skills. They have been
at it for more years than most people live, failed at it over and over again,
and yet, amazingly, citizens keep giving them more rights, time, and money.
What type of citizen would continue to give them more chances? Obviously, an
ignorant and passive one, something the federal government wants and loves. Go
Just to clarify - although the federal government DID offer more points on the
grant application if states adopted the Common Core, I believe only 4 states won
grants and Utah was not one of them.At this point in time, NO
federal funding in Utah is contingent upon our implementation of the Common Core
in Utah.All federal funding in Utah is continuing as is, with the
exception of cuts that may result due to the sequestration.The
Common Core is not tied to any federal funding in Utah. Just want to be sure
this rumor is clarified.
@freedomforthepeople--There are federal funding not related to education which
would be effected.Quit standardized testing, and see what's
happens. The feds are in control.
While living in Vegas about 15 years ago, I worked with a Frenchman who had come
to America to start his own business. I told him about my experience serving an
LDS mission in the former Soviet Union and while there, seeing first-hand how
their government had continually misled the people through control of the media.
I was shocked and stunned by what I had witnessed. Then the
Frenchman replied, "Your government has done the very same thing."I could NOT believe him. I thought he was crazy. How could the great
U.S. of A. ever be compared to such a regime? I said the same, sticking up for
my country. He continued to suggest that I was as misled by my country's
media machine as Ukrainians were by theirs.Years later, I remember
being MORE shocked and stunned to learn that he was RIGHT! When I saw the truth
I felt betrayed, as if I'd witnessed a murder and the LAST person I thought
could ever do such a thing was holding the gun. So powerful is the
media, that I've learned to BEWARE when my opinion matches the majority.
banderson: Please, please, please ... before writing yet another paragraph about
the Common Core, DO read at least one unbiased sentence about it. You will get
the answer to your question. Utahns are not deferring anything to anyone. We
continue to choose locally how to meet baseline standards that 45 other states
accept. There is no curriculum in the Common Core. 3/4 of teachers support it. 8
in 10 teachers think it will better prepare our children. 10 of 10 retired
Constitutional conspiratorialists never tire of repeating the myths they heard
on talk radio.
To "freedomforthepeople" if you ignore the "federal intrusion"
argument, there is a lot of information about how bad the standard is. You have
the information on the discovery based math teaching methods that are confusing
and don't reinforce the basics before going onto higher concepts. You can
also look at how they are cutting back significantly on reading classical
literature in favor of manuals, menus, and Executive Orders. History has a
month dedicated to the UN and 1 week dedicated to the US Constitution.Another thing to consider is the simple fact that currently Homeschooling is
the fastest growing education segment. Why are people dropping their
neighborhood schools, charter schools, and private schools in favor of
RS MIT- "discovery based math teaching methods that are confusing and
don't reinforce the basics before going onto higher concepts." And yet most math TEACHERS support it."You can also look at how they
are cutting back significantly on reading classical literature in favor of
manuals, menus, and Executive Orders."Not "significantly" -
but slightly, and most importantly, IF THE LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD DECIDES. And not
menus." History has a month dedicated to the UN and 1 week dedicated
to the US Constitution." Not true. Complete Beckian canard.Please
Good grief...I don't get all of the paranoia over the common core.... It
makes sense to me that there be a standard of skills that need to be taught.
Some people just like to look for problems. Believe me there are problems out
there but the common core, to me, doesn't seem to be one of them.
To "Owen" read "Do the math -- Common Core = a massive, risky
experiment on your kids" at Fox News and "Why There’s a Backlash
against Common Core" in the National Review. They both describe how the new
teaching method only makes the math teaching worse. I don't care if math
teachers support it or now, the problem is that it is a faulty method that does
not work and is not based on tried and true methodologies.Actually
they do spend a lot of time studying the UN and UN policies through the history
and science portions of the Common Core program. Just go through the reviews of
the school districts that have already implemented CC.They really
are cutting back on classics in favor of pop culture and government documents.
I have nieces and nephews in HS and they are not reading the classics that have
formed a foundation for our modern society.Believe it or not, that
is your choice. All I know is that if CC is so great, why are so many parents
pulling their kids out of public education system and homeschooling?
MIT - again, your comments reflect talk-radio audiences' fundamental
misunderstanding of Common Core. You keep referring to some anonymous
"they." If indeed, "they" exist, "they" are teaching a
curriculum "their" local school board approved to meet the standard.
"We" are not. We chose locally to spend more time on the Constitution
than the U.N. We chose locally to add some technical texts to he same classics
we've always taught. I frankly doubt that "they" really exist. No
opponent ever lists who these districts are. And no, I won't spend a minute
reading anything produced by Fox - the least credible infotainment source, as
proven by actual testing of its audience. The whole point of this DNews story is
that someone actually asked those familiar with, or actually teaching to the
standards what they thought - 70-80% are on board. There's an astro-turf
backlash but actual grass-roots support. Deal with it.
To "Owen" and you are just following along because you don't want
to know any better.You obviously don't have kids in the public
school system, and more specifically, you don't have kids in elementary
school. I have seen first hand the math methods that they are trying to use.
When the teachers struggle teaching CC at best or just give the kids the
worksheet and explain the "old school" methods, that is not a good
sign.When my kids come home with all sorts of liberal propaganda
instead of actual knowledge of reading, writing, or math, that is a bigger
problem.If you want to stick your head in the sand and go along with
a bad program just because teachers like it, that is your choice. I choose to
have my kids educated and know how to do math in a logical manner, read
classical literature, and know history and understand the constitution.
RedShirtMIT -- have fun home schooling. Good riddance.
To "marathonman" ahhhhh....the tolerance of the left.
When are reporters going to fact check and dig? The School Improvement Network
has a financial interest in Common Core so they call anyone who asks legitimate
questions misled. Odd that the reporters don't study this.Common Core is a gold rush for the School Improvement Network, Pearson, Gates,
Microsoft, etc. , at taxpayers' expense. It's a data gold rush:
Utah accepted almost 10 million federal dollars to build a longitudinal database
that tracks our children WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. That's conspiracy fact, not
theory.Common Core's a federal power grab: they put a cap on
top of the copyrighted standards, and made waivers conditional on states
agreeing to the yoke. The feds micromanage alignment of the tests.Core advocates want us to think well of Common Core for their own financial
gain-- but why are newspapers behaving more like Gates-funded marketing arms
than truth tellers? We the People have read gov't documents,
contracts and lawsuits; we've attended board meetings and studied speeches.
We the People, now armed with facts and a determination to keep time-tested,
legitimate education and local control, aim to stop common core.
With common core, students won't writing or reading in cursive. How are they to read the Constitution, or Declaration of Independence?Can they sign their car title?