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Published: Saturday, Sept. 14 2013 11:50 p.m. MDT

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Friend to all
Cedar City, UT

I have many gay friends, including one who was active at church, never having acted on his feelings. I know a gay couple with a small family who have been welcomed into their Utah Ward with open arms. They don't hold callings but they are welcome at church. Their children are very well adjusted and Very loved. I chose to be as Christlike as I can be which means loving my neighbor, whom ever they are. I choose not to judge but rather become a friend. It makes me feel great to know that my choices have allowed me many friends whom I might otherwise have missed out on. Having said all that, I love the people but don't necessarily agree with their "lifestyle", The Lord loves all His children so who am I to turn away from them?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Vladhagan
"When you identify as being gay does this mean you actually are a practicing homosexual, or just that you experience same gender attraction?"

The latter, just like how people are heterosexual based on who they are attracted to.

PTM
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@Windsor

So are you saying that God did not create the 'heavens and the earth', but rather 'instituted' a plan? God's most significant creation is a plan. Then who in your estimation created the 'heavens and the earth' (and all the natural systems that implies - including sexual orientation), the Bible not withstanding?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Of course God loves all.

But it doesn't mean he excepts the sin.

Finding something attractive, doesn't make it right. Straight people do the same thing with out of wed-lock relationships.

Being a diabetic, I find alot of foods attractive, but know it's going to hurt me.

Common sense, and self control is the key.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Steve is one of the few who would welcome his gay brother in law into the temple to be married to his gay lover. he may have been the MVP of the nfl, but his wife wears the pants in his household.....go Steve.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@SuziQ
You wrote: " The problem that I have is that it seems like the LGBT community has always wanted more than equality. They want conversion of everyone to see it their way"
Sorry but you are wrong.

As a gay man I accept and respect your disagreement with SSM. What we reject is the arrogance and bigotry of denying our right to have the same rights as anybody else.

Personally I disagree with hunting. I think hunting is inhuman unless done for survival, I cannot understand how Hunting can be consider a sport. It is even harder for me to understand how anyone can enjoy and feel pride in killing an innocent animal. Yet, I will never attempt to legalize my opposition to hunting because of my feelings. I just express my opposition and I don't hunt.

You have the right to disagree with SSM and I will defend your right not to have one.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

One does not need to accept drunkenness to show love to the drunkard.
One does not need to accept theft to show love to the thief.
One does not need to accept murder to show love to the murderer.
One does not need to accept homosexuality to show love to the homosexual.

Those who suggest that showing any love toward an individual with same-sex attraction is an endorsement of the practice of homosexuality are wrong.

Those who suggest that people cannot really show love to individuals with same-sex attraction until they support/reward/celebrate homosexual behaviors are wrong.

Guam_Bomb
BARRIGADA, GU

As a Mormon, I have always been taught that the greatest commandment is to love God and demonstrate that by loving and serving my fellow man. My copy of the standard works does not include a footnote that exludes gays, blacks, immigrants, welfare moms, Utes or any other group from that commandment.

What I take from the Youngs is that they are living up to that commandment. My understanding is that in the LDS Church, judgement is reserved for those duly called by the the proper church authority. I gladly leave it to those whose responsibility it is to do so. I wish more people would do the same.

let's roll
LEHI, UT

I agree that same sex attraction is too often compared to maladies (e.g. alcoholism, diseases).

The fact is ANYTHING that we choose to put in front of God can keep us from reaching the full potential he has for us if we seek and follow His will. That includes many things (e.g. wealth, beauty, intelligence) that are prized as attributes.

How can I make sure I continue to seek God's will and not become blinded by what my wealth, beauty, intelligence, or same-sex attraction bring into my life seems as valid a question, and less pejorative, than those typically used.

I take God at His word when he said, if ANY of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God...and believe He answers each faithful prayer if we are willing to act upon that response, regardless of whether or not the substance of that answer is what we had expected, or hoped for.

I also believe that regardless of our individual circumstances we are given the opportunity to take those circumstance and create a life through which, "the glory of God may be made manifest."

jasonlivy
Orem, UT

I don't think anyone who truly lives the doctrines and principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the LDS church teaches, namely, Charity, the pure Love of Christ, has any desire to shun anyone no matter what they've done. We are commanded to love all men without prejudice. We are to forgive everyone without prejudice. That is the gospel of Christ.

One issue I have is with the act of homosexuality. It is currently against the law of Chastity, arguably one of the most important laws we have been commanded to live by. This law is set in stone and will never change. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and there has never been an instance where He has ever allowed same sex unions to be justified in the tenants of His gospel.

We have to be careful. On one hand we have been commanded to love and forgive everyone no matter who they are. On the other hand we have also been commanded to keep His commandments. I believe that Steve and his wife are loving and reaching out to their fellow brothers and sisters as best they know how. This is charity...

michael.jensen369
Lethbridge, 00

@RobRaven
I appreciate your sincerity and your faith, and I also appreciate your not being angry and bitter against the church. I cannot state that enough. That is so great, I really really mean it. But, I also think that there is something that is not quite totally understood. And that is that the Lord's truths and doctrines are taught by his prophets and apostles. Doctrinal(emphasis on doctrinal, not personal) revelation for the whole church only comes, and only in this way, through the Lord's prophets, seers, and revelators. And that revelation is also found in the Family: A Proclamation to the World.

michael.jensen369
Lethbridge, 00

@RobRaven
And from the Church's newsroom website:"...the Church remains irrevocably committed to strengthening traditional marriage between a man and a woman, which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children." Remember that this is an official statement from the Church, meaning that it was written by the First Presidency and The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, our living prophets,seers, and revelators. If such a revelation as you suggest might occur, it would only come through divine communication to them, not through pressure from inside or outside the church. But it won't because it is completely contrary to the Lord's truths that He has given us. Exaltation requires eternal marriage, and creation is impossible with same-sex marriage. I'll probably get a whole lot of flak for what I've written, but I felt that I should share this. But the church is still true, and President Monson is still a prophet, and God still speaks to His children today.

Hold on a second
Spring City, UT

A same-sex relationship runs contrary to the Plan of Salvation. "Political Correctness", whether from the Church or society at large, won't alter that fact.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:FriendToAll

It's nice to hear there's a ward in the Church where a gay family feels comfortable enough to attend and where the members aren't putting judgement before love. I believe that is the model Jesus tried to impart when He said to "love thy neighbor." There needs to be space in our church where all are welcome. Afterall, we are all on our own personal journeys through life.

Janet
Ontario, OR

Ether 12:27 "And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them." Some are tempted by substances, some by greed, some by inappropriate heterosexual behavior, some by inappropriate homosexual behavior, and so forth. The problem is that no other "weakness" presents quite the Hobson's choice of same-sex attraction. Gays who choose to marry and adopt or use some alternative method of fertilization are doing their best to legitimize what is natural for them. The Proclamation on the Family does seem to marginalize this kind of lifestyle, as do the scriptures. I can see the civil rights argument, but also the religious freedom argument. There doesn't seem to be a way to compromise that will make everyone happy. Meanwhile, everyone needs to be compassionate and Christlike, and it seems that the Youngs are setting an example.

Ophelia
Bountiful, UT

Rob Raven: Please know that you have many straight allies within the Church. We are not as vocal in church -- for obvious reasons -- but we are hoping and praying for further light on this very sensitive topic. I believe the Church will eventually fully accept you, my gay friends, and my wonderful son as equal with all the rights and privileges that straight members enjoy. I'm afraid, though, that it will take a long time.

Those African Americans seeking civil rights had to walk a long, lonely, frightening trail before they were able to have the same rights and privileges as their white American brothers and sisters. Prejudice runs deep, but eventually it dies. Best wishes to you and your loved ones, Rob!

Tuffy Parker
Salem, UT

Policy or practice is not the same thing as doctrine. Blacks and the priesthood was related to policy and practice. Marriage between a man and a woman is doctrine. Those believing that this doctrine will change are mistaken.

Rockarolla
West Jordan, UT

This has been a terrific comment dialog. No matter what people believe in, they should be respected. I do not advocate the Gay lifestyle. I also don't believe that a person should not drink to excess. I don't believe in murder pre-martial sex or in adultery. I also don't believe that because I don't side with the Gay lifestyle that I should be browbeat by those who do. And I certainly shouldn't browbeat those who live the gay lifestyle. I haven't walked in their shoes.

As I said before God loves all and we should all try to understand each other. I believe what I believe, that God lives and answers our prayers. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is clear on certain things, We all should try to live Christ like lives. Judge not lest you be Judged. Get along with your fellowman and invite all to do the best they possibly can. God will sort it all out. And I think we will all be surprised who we will meet in Heaven.

RobRaven
SLC, UT

If you differentiate between doctrine and policy, it's important to note that doctrines are also subject to modification. This is a living church. Church history is replete with examples of doctrines that become modified from time to time as more light and knowledge become available.

"...a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject erases all the darkness and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don't matter any more...It doesn't make a particle of difference what anybody ever said ... It is a new day and a new arrangement, and the Lord has now given the revelation that sheds light out into the world on this subject. As to any slivers of light or any particles of darkness of the past, we forget about them." - Bruce R McConkie, (1978)

The BoM is written for our day, and yet says nothing on the subject, why not? What if the bible is misunderstood? I recommend a google search of Matthew vines, and a visit to his YouTube and Facebook pages. We should all pray for more patience, love, and guidance.

RobRaven
SLC, UT

A good barometer for this issue is to look at the fruits of the doctrine: Broken families. Homeless youth. Suicides. Institutionalized bigotry. Etc. These are red flags that something is wrong. Sins are accompanied by guilt and can be repented of and overcome. I am witness to the miraculous healing power of God, and yet he won't heal me of this. Why not?

One the contrary, the Lord doesn't condemn me and I am guilt free. I have His spirit with me. He's not asking me to repent of this. If you know the stories, gay men are not cured, they simply repress their natural attractions and marry women anyway. While that may work for some, it cannot work for all. How would you feel about your daughter/sister marrying a homosexual man?

And what about Genesis 2:18? It's not good for man to be alone. For many reasons... Chastity has been mentioned. I want to keep the law of chastity. I have no desire to sleep around... at all... none. What if it's time to prepare places of safety for worthy LDS LGBT saints to find love without leaving the safety of the Gospel?

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