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Published: Saturday, Sept. 14 2013 11:50 p.m. MDT

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Vladhagen
Salt Lake City, UT

Can someone be a member of the LGBT community and still be considered in full fellowship in the LDS Church? I really do not know the answer to this 100%. When you identify as being gay does this mean you actually are a practicing homosexual, or just that you experience same gender attraction? This is something that has never been entirely clear to me, how someone that is a homosexual can be seen as being in good standing in the LDS Church. I support strongly people who experience same gender attraction; however I am not sure how one can consider themselves in good standing in the LDS Church, yet still advocate homosexuality. Is Steve Young advocating homosexuality or just supporting people who struggle with same gender attraction?

Cleanliness
Salt Lake City, UT

I think that understanding within the LDS Church about same sex attraction has improved. It still could be better of course, but it has improved, due in large part to things like the new website. I think that reconciliation can be difficult, and it is not always cut and dry like we would want to make it appear. I struggled for a long time with certain social aspects of the LDS Church that I just could not seem to reconcile in my mind. I just need to remind myself often that God loves the sinner. We go from that point. There is so much more that we don't know than that we do know. For me, I have found it highly clarifying to advocate aspects of timing as it relates to change, as well as acceptance of the honest in heart who want to do what is right and are searching.

Rockarolla
West Jordan, UT

The Young's are true Latter Day Saints. Sometimes we all forget that God loves all of his children. By bridging the gap, the Young's are living the commandment that We should Judge not but should let the Lord Judge. I applaud the Young's for their efforts and example. As an active Latter Day Saint I hope I can be as loving and tolerant as they are.

God bless you both.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

An infallible method of conciliating a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured.
Konrad Adenauer

Nosea
Forest Grove, OR

So, did they read the Proclamation to the World at this event?

FrankSegesman
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Steve is the latest guy to cave in to the pressure.....

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

One of the statements that bothers those of us trying hard to love, understand, and accept the LGBT community is the statement "God made me that way." Maybe it's factual, maybe not. We just don't have all the answers yet, from either a religious or a scientific viewpoint. Without more firm ground to stand upon, it's a perplexing stimulus-response mechanism affecting all sides of the issue. Making this statement so strongly is bound to produce frustration, confusion, and other negative responses, all of which perpetuate misunderstandings, resentment, and intolerance. We need to be more wise, less judgmental,less rationalizing, less conclusive until more facts and/or the revealed word of God comes forth.

Really???
Kearns, UT

"Finch has one son and two grandchildren who identify as being gay."

I long for the day when we won't feel the need to use such phrasing. This carefully chosen wording makes it sound like being gay is a temporary condition. It's not. The way it's written makes it feel like there is a little extra that should be added "Finch has one son a two grandchildren who identify as being gay, but they are fooling themselves."

I applaud the Youngs fpr reaching out to the LGBTQ community. It's another much needed step to make them feel more a part of our communities. Let's hope the Deseret News board, staff, and owners can soon follow their lead and try to truly understand and become advocates for these too-often marginalized brothers and sisters.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

GL W8, did you choose to be heterosexual? Would you say YOU were born that way? We'll never know because we can't trust people's word on that issue can we?

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

One time I talked with someone who was in his mid 20's who had cystic fibrosis. For some reason, his lungs can't purge the mucus. Every three months they take you to the hospital and you have to breathen in a special inhaler while the nursing staff whack you a lot on the back.

He was serving in a bishopric in his home ward. He was lucky that he had lived to adulthood. Usually people with his sickness die before they are 20. He had chosen not to marry because he did not want to leave a widow.

I guess if someone had same gender attraction, they may decide to live celibate. There are a lot of noble reasons people will choose not to marry. This could be one of them.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

In the past I have had more than one Gay college student come to my office battling thoughts of suicide. I believe those Mormons like Steve Young who build bridges to the LGBT community rather than attack them are saving lives. I can already see the change.

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

The Gay group/community/interested parties/club/orientation...or whatever, used to have a severe problem with being totally ostracized, and they would argue it still does. BUT, the worm has turned and now they are doing things to their "enemies" exactly as they've accused their enemies doing to them. Trying to find a rational middle ground seems impossible right now. The LGBT groups can only see that "respect" means "think as we think." They castigate any person who doesn't view Gay with joy. To say you are fine having same rights isn't enough -- you've got to embrase their mental position. If you don't they'll boycott your business like the ones in the Northwest, cry foul and boycott your film if you, OSCard disagree with them, and make up nonsensical words like "homophobe" that they'll call you if you do not toe their party line.

We've got to get to the point where "straight" can believe Gay actions are immoral but so long as they treats gays kindly, with love, allowing their contracts to be equal to anyones, then it should matter either. Middle grounds are tough to find.

Mr. Plate
Lindon, UT

@FrankSegesman - do you think it's "caving to pressure" for an LDS person/group to support those with alcohol or drug addiction, or to support one who's compelled to gamble, or who's obsessed with pornography? Is it inappropriate to help any group who struggles with desires that would lead to sin if acted upon?

I thought it was very unclear through the article if the Youngs condoned and supported the choices of those who act upon their homosexual desires. To the Youngs and others with Affirmation, does "God loving everyone as they are" mean God is accepting of homosexual conduct, or does it mean God hopes they'll choose the path of obedience to his commands, yet loves them even if they don't, as He does all sinners? I didn't think that was very clear through the article, and perhaps intentionally so.

There's a thin line to walk when building bridges is the goal, and introducing the line of sin demarcation suggests judgment that is inevitably counterproductive to that goal. It seems the Youngs are "loving the sinner but hating the sin," with an emphasis on the love and just no mention of the hate.

RobRaven
SLC, UT

LDS readers: I'm faithful, active, and have a strong testimony of the restoration and it's accoutrements, I read from the Book of Mormon daily and love it. I've faithfully worked on this issue for over 30 years. It's taken me that long to be ok with the plan God has for me. I love the Lord with all my heart and I don't care what He wants me to do, I'll do it. As I grow older and draw nearer to the Lord, He whispers peace to my resistant soul regarding my sexual orientation. My feelings aren't lustful. They aren't shameful. I have no desire to hide from the presence of the Lord.

Instead, I rejoice in His companionship as I seek an eternal companion ... a male eternal companion. Are we willing to be guided by the Lord in this? What if 1978 was only the beginning of more light and knowledge? What will you tell your children when they ask how you felt before the revelation came? "We didn't know" isn't an excuse. We can know. Are we praying to be on the right side next time?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Tekakaromatgi

What if there were laws prohibiting your friend with cystic fibrosis from marrying?
Or society condemned him because he chose to marry?

Re:Mr.Plate

Mrs. Young at least opposed Prop 8. She contributed to those opposing Prop 8 and the Youngs also had a sign opposing Prop 8.
Steve Young, however, declined to make public whether he supported or opposed Prop 8.

Re:GLW8

Have you ever talked to or heard a gay LDS (or not LDS)person's story about coming to the realization they are gay? If not, you have much to learn. Affirmation has a website, maybe start there.

If you believe God creates all types of people, then why would it be different for LGBT?
Perhaps we ought to leave the judging up to Him, and simply treat our neighbors as ourselves.

NateSG
St.George, UT

My issue is with the language. I don't know if science is anywhere near understanding homosexuality. Sexual behavior and fetishes are propensities borne out by our behavior. I think it should be bridging the gap of LGBT tendencies. If you are LGBT that means you are Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or transgender and open and proud of it. I don't believe in being transgender at all unless you are born a hermaphrodite; I don't see where they facts are for your sex being the "wrong" one. I also don't think being a heterosexual is 100 percent determined by genes, I think it is maybe 50 to 60 percent genetic the rest is social biology and learning men and women have to mate to create offspring.

windsor
City, Ut

article-"Heavenly Father loves our gays exactly the way they are — exactly the way he created them."

That statement should have been: Heavenly Father loves gay persons as he loves everyone else.

He no more "created" them that way than he created people who have any other kind of physical attribute, trait, or characteristic of any kind or nature.

Heavenly Father instituted His plan--and part of that is we are all born into a mortal world with an innumerable variety of attributes, traits, or characteristics--and we are born with them for an innumerable number of reasons....

To say God created people to be Gay (or any other thing) gives the wrong idea to impressionable people.

God planned for us all to be born, and he loves us all. Period.

He invites us all to turn to him to better navigate any and all conditions of living in a mortal, fallen world.

SuziQ
Springville, UT

I would agree that I find the point of this article confusing. I am not sure what the point of the conference was. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. I was in high school when the question of gays and, to a lesser degree at that time, lesbians were being debated. Our high school was the first one in the country to have to allow a couple of the same gender to attend the Senior Prom. I am for all people having equal opportunity, equal treatment, and equal respect. The problem that I have is that it seems like the LGBT community has always wanted more than equality. They want conversion of everyone to see it their way. Just because I don't want the traditional definition of marriage to be changed doesn't automatically mean that I disrespect others who would like it to be defined differently. It just means that I believe that marriage is about something more than a legally sanctioned sexual union with the right to benefits. Surely we are creative enough to come up with an appropriate solution, assuming people on both sides are willing to bend.

baddog
Cedar Rapids, IA

I agree we have, as a society and a Church, come a long way in how we look at those who profess LGBT identity. I have puzzled and pondered much about this situation.

If God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply, and it is His same commandment to all of us, it would be a bit puzxling to have Him then cause some to be unable to do so,and among what appears to be in ever widening numbers.

If the Proclamation to the Family is believed to be revelation of God, then at face value, acting on those LGBT feelings would not produce offspring. I don't see the commandment to avoid partaking of the tree of knowledge -- which had to be done for humanity to spring forth-- a similar situation.

baddog
Cedar Rapids, IA

To complete my earlier comment:

I have no idea why there is same sex attraction. I do know that we are taught by those who have authority that it is not wrong to have those feelings, but only to act upon them. Is it fair to have those feelings then be commanded not to act upon them? Is it fair for the man to have cystic fibrosis then not act upon his heterosexual feelings to avoid leaving a widow and perhaps passing the gene onto his children? It appears to be an individual choice in his matter.

My only real concern with the LGBT dialogue is that those who don't believe that way are called bigots. In this day of "politically correct" speech, I fear that dialogue is what will bring persecution of Church members in the last days.

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