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Published: Sunday, Sept. 15 2013 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Mark from Montana
Aurora, CO

There are times when these blessings do not come immediately. There will be times of trial, and part of that trial may be to pay a full tithe & offerings with no blessings. To think that doing 'a' will result immediately in 'b' sets you up for disappointment. God will do what He knows to be in our best interest and sometimes that means a delayed blessing, and by delayed I mean possibly for years. When it happens, as it will to every person in their life, it will try your faith as never before.

As with all commandments, paying tithing should be about living the law out of desire to be obedient, not because we want blessings.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

One of the problems with trying to come up with a cause/effect relationship between obedience and blessings is that of specificity. That is, connecting action "A" as a cause of expected/hoped for/needed result/blessing "B".

That is the kind of cause/effect relationship that is the basis of the empirical method but ought not to be the basis of determining the predictability of actions on our part producing actions on God's part.

Through sometimes hard to endure and accept personal experience, I've discovered that the time line and real versus perceived value of what we **think** we need/want is often NOT what is **really** in our best interest. Which, of course, is what God knows and seeks to bring to pass.

For me, I try to live according to what I think are the best principles and practices in the expectation that it will get me headed, generally, in the right direction, and that in doing so it will give me the best odds of achieving the ends I hope for. In other words, I'm not expecting a specific cause/effect relationship between obedience and blessing. If nothing else, that reduces the disappointment.

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Some may wonder: "what if the full tithe is paid, and the expected blessing does not come?" The answer is the same with this or any commandment, we must wait upon the Lord. Elder Robert D. Hales October 2011 Conference Address was particularly insightful on the subject. Anyone suffering tribulation, as we all do in one form or another, ought to read it frequently.

t702
Las Vegas, NV

Paying tithes has nothing to do with money, it has everything to do with faith. It is a test of one's faith whether he/she is with the Lord in both hard and bad times. The promised blessings of this law are true, I have witnessed them in my own life

rattler
Syracuse, UT

I know hundreds of non-tithe-paying people who get "blessings" immediately/constantly, and many payers who seem to never get a break. I have lived both sides of this one and it's working better for me now (not faithfully paying) than it ever has.
Just offering up my personal experience as testimony.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

I have come to recognize that paying a faithful tithing has more to do with the love in our home that it could ever do with our family income. The Windows of Heaven showering blessings on a marriage are far more potent than anything else.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

What is meant by the "law if tithe"? I do believe this is a man made law. I do not believe Jesus ever said it is a law that one must tithe. I believe his message was of giving of oneself. That can take many forms. IMVHO the law of tithe was created by humans and is on equal footing with extortion.

jeanie
orem, UT

I echo the first comments above. Blessings for complete obedience sometimes come quickly and sometimes come slowly. We have experienced both. The "slowly" was difficult, and the expected blessings did not come. However, the blessings that did come later have proven to be better than we expected. Let me be clear though, we have been monetary blessed at times, and other times money has not been the blessing but the means to care for our family's needs emotionally, spiritually and physically have.

A long period of unemployment finally necessitated a difficult career change from a monetarily abundant career to a much less lucrative one. However, this necessary change brought more time with our children, especially for my husband. The increased availability of their dad has been a strength to our teenage sons in particular in a way that never would have been possible before. It also brought so much more contentment and enjoyment to my husband than his former career. These things we never would have guessed.

As we obey commandments it is wise to accept the timing and blessings of the Lord.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

The law of tithing comes from God through his prophets. Those who obey it will be blessed. In what way or at what time we know not. But those blessings will come. The Church does not extort. It is done freely through our agency--not force.

thelogicalone
salt lake city, UT

Sometimes we make the mistake of determining what blessing we need and want and expecting that the Lord will grant the same. We always receive the blessings we need; we may fail to recognize it as such.

rudman
provo, UT

We live the law of tithing, we receive a ton of blessings, in fact there isn't room enough to receive them, these blessings often come as trials, like not having enough money.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Malachi 3:8-12 is the answer to a question posed in verse 7.

"Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?"

Tithing includes the principle of "return". A way to help us return to God when our hearts have not been close or our lives not obedient. It helps us to use our treasure to put our hearts where they ought to be. The promise in verse 7 is that as we return to God, he will return to us and we will find the blessings we once had. Here He speaks to the people. But I believe that applies to us as individuals as well.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Life, with whatever rewards or tribulations it may present, occurs. It is a sequence of events, be they happenstance, chance, or something we or someone else creates or influences. It is not, I believe, the product of a divine being intervening in the natural laws and order of things in order to provide us with a desired outcome because we have contributed to alleviate said deity's cashflow problem. Let's face it, the people who actually spend this money are human no greater than you and I. God, from what I've observed in contemporary media and religion, is watching football, not micromanaging the books. This specific issue is the one where Hitchens got it most right; this is where religion manifests itself best as the record of a successful con job.

Mimi
Venice, CA

I pay tithing but I don't keep a tally sheet with respect to commandments kept and blessings received. I let the Lord do that. All I know is that though many trials and challenges have come into my life, some particularly difficult, I can say I have always managed to somehow endure and work through them, and I truly consider myself to be very blessed.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Do I get those same blessings for donating money to charities, animal shelters, etc instead of paying money to the mormon church? I find it inconsistant that one can say pay tithing and you will get blessings, but only on the lord's time. I have seen families who pay a full tithe be decimated financially to the point of no return. Perhaps if god is so quick to collect the money, he could be equally quick on giving the blessings back. Tithing is all about money, and doesn't have a thing to do with god, in my opinion.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

The promised blessing was made through a prophet (Malachi) to a nation (Judah). Part of the promise can be applied to individuals but not all. Judah (one land) was promised if their people were faithful in paying their tithes other lands (or their peoples) would call Judah blessed. It cannot apply to me as an individual because I am not a land that other lands can call blessed. Other nations, and for the most part this nation, haven't even heard of me to call me anything.

Other blessings referred to fruits not being destroyed or cast unripened from the tree, and not being destroyed. Great blessings come to individuals though in paying "tithes and offerings". I can vouch for that.

We have to use a certain amount of common sense. D and C Section 25 states "Keep my commandments continually, and a crown of righteousness thou shalt receive. And except thou do this, where I am you cannot come... THIS IS MY VOICE UNTO ALL." (v 15-16)
Some have applied "unto ALL" to the whole section, but I have not been called "to make a selection of sacred hymns" or be a scribe to Joseph Smith etc.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights, 2Cor 9:7 sets the central N.T. principle for giving: “Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
N. T. tithing advocates argue that this verse refers to freewill offerings as opposed to tithing, but this involves an a priori assumption that tithing is N. T, that simply can’t be proven. We must take this passage as instructive for all instances of giving in the church.
What, then, does the Holy Spirit through the apostle have to say about N. T. He stresses that the gift must be from the heart. When people teach a requirement of tithing, they run the risk of negating the revealed will of God for N. T. giving?

Love and devotion to God! That imparts the real value to giving. And this perhaps serves to explain why no command as to the amount is laid down for believers. To obey a command stating the amount or proportion would be easy, but what exercise of heart would there be? Loyalty would be superseded by mechanical religion. Love would be replaced by formalism.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

To Cats:

The church does not force people to pay them money. But there is a lot of peer pressure to pay the church in our society. If you choose not to pay them then you are not allowed into certain ceremonies and activities in the church. This is hard for many families.

On a side note. My wife and I stopped paying our tithing 5 years ago and life has never been better. I am still waiting for my life to go down hill but it never has.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Moses 5:6
And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me.

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That's good enough for me.
We shouldn't expect to be getting anything in return.

But sacrifice is best defined as giving one thing, in return for something better.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

I do not care to argue the specifics with you. All I can say is that MANY non-LDS Christian churches teach tithing. I sometimes listen to preachers on the radio and tithing is often mentioned.

A non-preacher (but famous Evangelical) I sometimes listen to is Dave Ramsey. He also advocates tithing.

Perhaps you should take up this fight with them.

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