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Published: Friday, Sept. 13 2013 1:44 p.m. MDT

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Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

The Constitution of the United States and the subsequent case law that flows from It do not agree with the premise of this article.

It is the author's prerogative to hold values that are morally askew, which she does, but, at the end of the day, the law doesn't support such assertions so it's really time for anti-choice folks to recognize this fact and deal with it.

On the other hand, if the article were to address Obama's moral duplicity in actual, legally recognized theaters, such as drone strikes, then the author may actually retain a semblance of legitimacy.

And for my fellow LDS who incorrectly believe that abortion is killing an unborn child, please remember that in the explicit cases wherein an abortion is allowed by the Church, we are asked to prayerfully address our decision. In other words, we're asked to "seek God's blessing" for the abortion - a point this author actually mocks when discussing Obama's speech to Planned Parenthood.

Gandalf
Salt Lake City, UT

It's a little acknowledged fact that the GOP party platform is squarely and directly contradictory to LDS church policy with regard to abortion. Both in 2008 and in 2012, the national GOP party platform called for criminalizing all abortions. All of them, no exceptions. This is completely out of line with LDS church policy which recognizes the legitimacy of abortion when pregnancy occurs as the result of rape or incest, the life or the health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the child to survive beyond birth.

In short, the LDS church agrees that abortions should, as Democrats say, be safe, legal, and rare. Republicans want to criminalize the decision of the 16 year old impregnated by her step-father, the 32 year old with serious medical complications, and the relief society president who has been told her unborn child has serious hydrocephalus.

So all you GOPers help me understand, why is it for so many of you that abortion the big reason LDS church members should vote for Republicans rather than Democrats?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Gandalf
Salt Lake City, UT

It's a little acknowledged fact that the GOP party platform is squarely and directly contradictory to LDS church policy with regard to abortion. Both in 2008 and in 2012, the national GOP party platform called for criminalizing all abortions. All of them, no exceptions. This is completely out of line with LDS church policy...

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Agreed.

GOP leaders have come right about rape and abortion saying;

"legitimate rapes" will terminate by themselves, Atkins
victims should learn to make lemonade from lemons, Angle
rape victims should .."make the best of a bad situation.” Santorum
victims of rape - “If it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it”. Clayton Williams

What sort of compassion does the GOP feel toward the victims of Ariel Castro in Cleveland?

Not to mention the Doctor in the Delivery room trying to decide to save the woman,
or face going to jail for the rest of his life?

And
since the LDS Church does not recognize, record or perform sealing unborn fetuses,
I'd say the LDS Church and Conservative Republican agenda are not in harmony.
Because they aren't.

The LDS Church is politically neutral in regards to abortion.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

A great point. Why care about a few hundred kids across the globe while the US kills a million a year because they are inconvenient.

And what do the abortion supporters do when such a great hypocrisy is pointed out?

Attack the Mormons and the GOP of course.

Predictable, and lame, as usual.

Ranch
Here, UT

IMO, the support of bigotry and discrimination by religious leaders and the right, leaves them no room to talk about "moral authority".

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...This president not only sits by and allows wanton murder of unborn children. He supports and endorses it..."

When Ronald Reagan was the Gov. of California, he signed into law an abortion bill that led to the murder of over 2,000,000 babies.

Why no outrage about the moral leadership of THE republican icon?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Looks like someone has found a new soap box...

2nd week,
2nd letter from Star Parker, author and president of CURE.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@badger
"Attack the Mormons and the GOP of cours"

So this hit peo e was what hugs and kisses towards Obama and liberals?

Attacking others then playing the victim has become a conservative trademark.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Nothing undermines the Presidents' moral leadership like the folks in Utah. Abortion, on the other hand, is just a result of their approach to sex.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

I voted for President Obama twice. I agree with much of what he has done. Obamacare especially. however his moral authority on the environment, to tell us to cut back on carbon emissions after he used Two airplanes to send his family to Hawaii one for himself and the other for his wife and kids, ... has eroded.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Obama is the President, no matter how the Democrats keep wishing that a Republican held that office.

We went to war against the greatest military power in the world in 1776 so that we could break away from a power that had little respect for "life", "liberty" and the "pursuit of happiness".

We told the entire world that our CREATOR had endowed us with those unalieniable rights.

Now the government allows a woman to destroy the fruit of her womb for any reason, unilaterally and we deny life to the unborn. Obama encourages it. Instead of protecting the most innocent among us, some people bluster and march to allow our unborn children to be aborted. So far, they've done a pretty good job of it. 55,000,000 unborn children have been aborted since Roe v Wade. That's the combined population of California, Oregon and Washington.

Obama encourages it. The Democrats insist on it in their platform.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I agree with this article. Sadly our presidents do not always present moral leadership or adhere to what has come to be called "traditional" moral values, the values that tens of millions of us still hold. I think the protection of life and liberty are key to the acceptable morals of any president, and the "traditional" home with a married father and mother, and children, their own offspring unless they are unable to sire or conceive and bear their own.

Like so many things it is not entirely a partisan issue; people of either party and neither party are proponents and upholders of "traditional" morality.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Remember folks,

Republicans will say all kinds of things about what they are going to do,
but they will NEVER do anything about it!

It's a political Red Herring, their Ace card, their voting block bread and butter.

They accuse Democrat of not wanting to help people off of welfare because it's their biggest voting block,
Well guess what...

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The same can be said about Reagan and the Bushes. I don't even need to bring up the person with the worst morals in the history of a White House admin, Dick Cheney.
First and foremost, none of those "moral" presidents ever attempted to change the laws on abortion. Not once.
Secondly, they all felt as if dropping bombs on some poor country was somehow moral and their supporters did as well.
Finally, their economic policies have proven to be incredibly immoral as well. They've done more to keep kids hungry and families below the poverty level than any other group ever has.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Planned Parenthood provides 1/4 of the abortions done in the U.S.
Planned Parenthood is the single biggest provider of abortion prevention--in the form of contraceptives to prevent unplanned pregnancies.

"Abortion-inducing drugs are included along with contraception that employers are mandated to provide free to employees under "Obamacare,"

Not true. Obamacare DOES NOT cover abortion inducing drugs. It does cover drugs to prevent ovulation and fertilization.

Conservative's opposition to education and wide use of contraceptives actually increases abortion rates.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Star,
Lovely article.

But you are wasting your breath with dems. Rabid, pro-abortion dogma is THE main tenet of the dem party, and you cannot be a good dem without strict adherence.

Stalwart,
I guess you didn’t read the article – Star is not arguing the legality of infanticide, just the morality. Your justification, using what many view as a distortion of LDS policy, for your unbridled support of infanticide, is morally reprehensible.

Ranch,
IMO, your blanket labeling of religious leaders as bigoted and discriminatory is bigoted and discriminatory. DN, DON’T YOU DARE block this comment because I use the EXACT same words Ranch uses!

spring street,
Please proof read – I have no idea what the first part of your comment says

Attacking others then blaming the victim has always been a lib trademark.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"A great point. Why care about a few hundred kids across the globe while the US kills a million a year because they are inconvenient.

And what do the abortion supporters do when such a great hypocrisy is pointed out?

Attack the Mormons and the GOP of course.

Predictable, and lame, as usual."

Badger, its not a "great point", sorry. The U.S. does not kill a million children a year. First of all, I don't believe your numbers, but even if they are true the U.S. did not kill those fetuses. Maybe U.S. CITIZENS had that many abortions. But neither the government, nor President Obama, forced one person to have an abortion.

In Syria the government did kill those people. So like I said, not a great point. And no hypocrisy.

Badger, can you look at the comments above yours and tell us which one is attacking Mormons? Just copy and paste the line you think is an attack.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@Mike Richards

One problem with your comment -- before a birth occurs, there is no child. There is only a body under construction which will ultimately house a spirit when the spirit joins the body and a child comes into being. In order for a child to be sealed to his/her parents, according to the requirements for sealing of the LDS Church, there first must be a birth and a breath be taken by the newborn. When I asked why, I was told by a Church representative that it was because, unless those conditions were met, the spirit was not considered to have joined the body and the resulting entity was not considered to have lived. Why are you attempting to assert your position over that of the Church to which you claim to belong?

Abortion is indeed wrong, except in the most necessary of conditions, but not because a life is taken. It is because a life is denied its then-mortality because the shell in which it was to use while in mortality was made unavailable and he/she has to wait for another to be created, thereby delaying mortality.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Look at how many people use their own logic to tell us when life starts. They pretend to be illiterate. God told us that OUR lives started long before we were conceived. He told us he knew us. He told us He associated with us. The time between conception and birth is part of our eternal life. Obama does not understand that concept. Most of those who defend abortion do not understand that concept. God understands it. He has shared it with us through His spokesmen, the prophets. (Jeremiah 1:4-5, Isaiah 49:1)

A child, born or unborn, is precious to God. He created all things so that those children could show Him that they would follow His counsel. Those who destroy the life, born or unborn, crown themselves as rulers because they reject the Ruler who gave them life.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Wasn't abortion decided like 30+ years ago by the Supreme Court?

How does this effect Obama's "leadership?" Or any President's leadership? The court has decided this issue.

Lets move on

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