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Published: Friday, Sept. 13 2013 5:18 p.m. MDT

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DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Wow, this is turning into a reunion for disgruntled politicians whom the voters repudiated, families of political dynasties, and powerful elites. All seem eager to reclaim their self declared right to dominate political and economic affairs in the state, rejecting the anonymous "little people" at the grassroots.

Leavitt and his pals think their odds will be better if they can rig the system so a few million in slick advertising, or biased media endorsements or simple name recognition can easily sway masses of "low information voters" and keep them perpetually in office.

Sorry, career politicians, Utah is best represented when the grassroots people who pay attention, show up, and closely question potential candidates do the selection for the party.

Everyone should oppose the cynically named "county my vote" scheme!

Travis G
Riverton, UT

Gov. Leavitt,

Was the exclusivity and restrictive when you were elected Governer? I didn't think so. So, what makes it so now? Why the sudden change of heart?

Respectfully,
Travis

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

"Count my vote" should be called "Count my money"!

For those of you new to this issue; this is all about incumbents being embarassed at statewide conventions because THEY didn't automatically get "reanointed".

Incumbents, (especially federal office holders)have the uncanny ability to raise Millions from their good friends (read lobbyists)in D.C.

They feel "put upon" that they are asked to .....gasp....answer to their voters.

Under the caucus system ABSOLUTELY NO ONE gets left out who wants to participate. Everyone is still free to complain though!

If you want to have a "powerbroker", "boss" system in Utah politics - by all means sign their petition; thats EXACTLY what you will have!

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

I’m not sure if they have half-a-million or a million-and-a-half it will matter, people are still going to want fair elections. They’re still going to want the ability to have incumbents replaced. They’re still going to want people not to have to be rich or famous to get elected. The political parties should pick their best candidates to face off and not their richest ones.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

We have a system that that does NOT favor the incumbent, the wealthy or the famous. This is a good thing, and should be preserved.

The Neighborhood Election and Convention system in Utah is the best way to make sure a grassroots process can win over large amounts of money. It is the only way someone with $100,000 can go against someone with $2 million in election funds.

We want neighbors discussing the best candidates and finding ways to improve this state and the nation. If the system is changed, we would be dropping off votes, but not meeting and discussing candidates and issues. That is what is wrong with Washington, D.C. They don’t listen to each other in a meeting. They watch from their offices. We need to change that, not perpetuate it.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

DN Subscriber 2,
Voter are smart, providing they get both sides of the issue or have fair information about candidates.

Our current problem with voter turnout is it has not kept up with the population increases. The voter turnout keeps going up but not as fast as the population. Some of that is the younger voters, where Utah has a larger percentage of them and they aren't, as a group, as involved. We need to educate those moving in and not understanding our system.

Many citizens who attend their neighborhood elections and caucus meeting become interested in politics and get involved in their communities, the state and the nation. They meet and help candidates become elected. Some then later become candidates. This should be encouraged through education.

The system and the experience attending the meetings can always be improved, but the “Count My Vote” initiative isn't the way to do it. Any changes to the system the political parties use to determine their nominees should be determined by the political parties.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

1conservative,
Valid point. They still can bypass everything now.

We already have a "bypass" system, filing as an unaffiliated candidate. A candidate can go straight to the general election ballot. Someone who doesn't think they can win if vetted by average citizens asking one on one questions can still run and spend their money. Why should they be a political party nominee if they are going to bypass their political party?

At only one time for 10 years in Utah’s history did the state depart from the Neighborhood Election, Caucus and Convention System. In 1937, a powerful democratic state senator convinced enough of the legislature to switch to an open primary. He had had two losses, a US Senate race and also for governor, because the majority of the convention delegates disagreed with his legislative voting record. But he was well known and had money.

Many at the time felt like an open primary was his ticket to the governorship, and he did win. But the change in the system only lasted for a decade. After public and media disillusionment, and even worse voter turnout, Utah restored the Caucus and Convention System. Why go back?

VST
Bountiful, UT

From the article: “He [Mike Leavitt] said the initiative "is the most fundamentally important civic issue facing our state today."

Sorry Mike, but no, it is not!

What about immigration reform for one? What about adequate education funding for another? There are many others that could be considered more important than doing away with the current caucus system that has served us well.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Governor Leavitt got elected 3 times as governor and wants to make it a dynasty with this type of system. Can you picture having a bad Governor for 3 or more terms. Fortunately, President Bush took Mike Leavitt as a dynasty bureaucrat in the various agencies he was over, sort of a Panetta.

We don't need to have a State system that is changed. Count My vote is just another way to have people with money keep on going and the citizens that really suffer keep on really suffer. We just need people to go out and vote and not be a potato couch person on election day. They may be avoiding a Tea Party or common voter process to get the elites elected and become the Lords of Utah. Lord in Utah used to mean some common sense approach through agency to vote for the various elected offices far a wide in this state.

For these elitists of the Millers, Leavitts and Matheson group to think that is what this state needs is not for the good of Utah.

We have been part of a good system for 118 years and we should continue on that path.

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