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Published: Thursday, Sept. 12 2013 9:25 p.m. MDT

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motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Wiscougarfan,

First of all, I enjoy your comments just as I typically enjoy those from Y Grad / Y Dad and from Duckhunter. Yes, I said Duckhunter which is blasphemy to many Ute fans. I personally think he's toned it down and usually speaks the truth while still trying to rile folks up a bit - all in good fun I say).

But I have to respectfully disagree with this comment of yours:

""while paying student-athletes to play football is highly unlikely I would say that it is nigh impossible for basketball players."

The stipend has been talked about in several places as being for more than just football players. A quick search led me to this quote without even looking at other links: "Of special concern for the MWC is Title IX compliance and how the stipend would apply to scholarship sports." - mwcconnection

I'm just saying I'd make sure my high school sophomore son realized if he ends up being highly sought after, it may have been wise to have waited before committing to a team that may be left on the outside looking in.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Truth Machine

Re: "...if you're good enough, the NBA will find you regardless of whether you play at Kentucky or SW Podunk U."

Another fair comment and I do agree with you. However, I don't think anyone would disagree that the constant limelight of a major program increases your exposure and ensures that if you're a true talent you can minimize the risk of going unnoticed or less noticed.

But there was more to my NBA comment than being noticed, it's the fact that scouts are seeing you play against stronger talent game-in and game-out. Less questions about your game, meaning a higher likelihood of getting drafted with a guaranteed contract versus having to go the Brandon Davies route. Sorry, that wasn't a direct slam on BYU, just a recent example of the point I'm making.

football43
Morgan, UT

Ernest T.

Dude, is that all you got? I'm disappointed.......

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Motorbike

BYU is in no danger at all if they institute some kind of stipend for athletes, BYU runs a multi million dollar athletic department surplus. Nor are they in any danger of being left out of anything. The deciding factors if something like that ever occurs will be financial more than anything else. What schools can afford such a system is far more relevant than what conference you may be in.

If a school is currently in one of those 5 conferences but simply cannot make it work finanacially then they will not be part of anything of that kind. Liekwise schools that are highly funded and highly successful across the board in multiple sports, like BYU, will easily be able to take that change and still thrive in it.

Don't fool yourself that current conference status is the main determinant under such a system. Ability to afford such a system is far more a factor.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter ...

"Don't fool yourself that current conference status is the main determinant under such a system. Ability to afford such a system is far more a factor."

I actually expected that response from you or someone else and I understand it, but it's not correct.

Where I agree with you is that BYU has the money to do just as the power 5 can do. For football, this means they could likely be included in some way or another, even as an independent.

But basketball is a different story wherein they're part of the West Coast Conference. All the money in the world will not allow them to have that competitive advantage over their conference brothers. So if the WCC or the NCAA doesn't allow stipends, then BYU basketball will not be paying stipends ... period.

kaysvillecougar
KAYSVILLE, UT

Ernest T, I agree with Football 43. You've given us much better in the past.
@ Motorbike, good comments. I doubt however that there will be pay for athletes in the next 2-3 yrs. If that does happen, it would be football first and then basketball(less likely). By the way, I also appreciate your gracious tone. This can be a great rivalry and we can still have mutual respect.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

kaysvillecougar

Re: "I doubt however that there will be pay for athletes in the next 2-3 yrs. If that does happen, it would be football first and then basketball(less likely). By the way, I also appreciate your gracious tone. This can be a great rivalry and we can still have mutual respect."

First of all thanks for the compliment, and thanks for your "gracious tone" as well. By the way, I have A LOT of BYU fan relatives up your way in Kaysville, UT. And I absolutely agree that the Utah/BYU rivalry can, and certainly should, have the mutual respect you mentioned.

One thing I wanted to point out from your comment... you mention doubting the pay for athletes would happen in the next 2-3 years. That would mean decisions would need to be made in 1-2 years. In two years Frank Jackson would be entering his senior year which is exactly when most kids make their EARLY verbal commitments. That right there really is the main point I've been trying to make.

Good luck to your Cougars (just not Sept 21st) :)

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

It is correct. Schools that can afford it would be part of any system of that type, schools that cannot afford it would not. Any pay for athletes system would take an extremely long time to implement even if they announced it today, the resulting lawsuits and litigation could drag on for a decade. During that time those that could afford to operate under such a system will work out an alignment to do so. There is zero concern that BYU would not be part of any such system, they are far to big, rich, powerful, and accomplished not to be.

worf
Mcallen, TX

You go with what's important to you, and what you stand for.

You don't make decisions based on someones ignorance of you.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

Re: "Any pay for athletes system would take an extremely long time to implement... resulting lawsuits and litigation could drag on for a decade. During that time those that could afford to operate under such a system will work out an alignment to do so."

Good point regarding lawsuits and litigation.

But my point is that a guy like Frank could wait two years and would STILL be committing early, why not wait for more information?

As far as "those that can afford" to do so will be allowed to do so; It's not impossible, but it would first take the NCAA and then individual conferences allowing it. If the WCC approves stipends at that point, what's the amount?

If stipends are allowed by all, many programs will be finished and there will be a lot of realigning. You'd then still have to ask the question, will these conferences be included in what the "power-5" are doing?

Again, this is my point ... too many questions for a kid with options. Rivalry aside, I'd lean more strongly than ever to a "power-5" team unless money and the toughest competition didn't matter to me.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

motorbike

There's no realistic scenario where the big 5 football conference teams will split completely from the NCAA in all sports. Do you honestly think that powerhouse basketball programs like Georgetown, St John's and Syracuse would be left on the outside looking in at a small scale version of the NCAA basketball tournament?

And, what of all of the other NCAA sports like water polo, skiing, ice hockey, and many other sports that wouldn't have enough teams to continue competition if schools outside of the big 5 were excluded?

For example, Utah and Colorado are the ONLY big 5 conference teams that compete in skiing. What would they do, have a duel meet every year to determine the division 4 "national championship"?

kfbob
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Great Choice Frank. Most people in basketball circles know that Frank is the top Sophomore prospect in the State. I am sure he would have gotten offers from Stanford, UCLA and Arizona if he wanted them, he is that good. He has a good chance to be a top 50 recruit in the next 3 years. This is a wake up call for the other universities out there. You need to identify the talent early or you will be left out.

Herbert Gravy
Salinas, CA

Play on!

WON84
PLANO, TX

"Chris B

Salt Lake City, UT

Well he's not quite Brekkot Chapman, who you guys wanted.

But congratulations, I guess?"

Brekkot Chapman wouldn't have lasted five minutes living under the constraints of the BYU honor code but, nice try.

Congrats on finally getting a good basketball player to pick Utah though.

WON84
PLANO, TX

I'm just saying I'd make sure my high school sophomore son realized if he ends up being highly sought after, it may have been wise to have waited before committing to a team that may be left on the outside looking in.

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First, we are talking about a basketball recruit. If BYU somehow ends up on the outside looking in, it is going to mean Gonzaga and Georgetown are too. Don't see it happening.

Regarding football where this is certainly possible, if the power conferences really are to leave the NCAA I suspect that BYU would end up with a football-only arrangement with someone. It is documented that when the Big 12 moved to invite TCU, the media partners had expressed significant concerns over BYU's refusal to play on Sunday and the Big 12 basketball tournament. Given we've lately seen both Cal and Stanford (the two supposed issues for BYU and the Pac) schedule football series' with BYU, I'm not sure that the Pac 12 is out of the question should conferences expand to 14 or 16 to feed a playoff.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

who else offered the young man?

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