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Published: Thursday, Sept. 12 2013 9:25 p.m. MDT

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motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Crazy to think that Frank may not be playing for BYU until the 2018-19 season.

Frank has tons of potential and I wish him well. Having said that, I question the adults around him. Even if I was the biggest Coug fan on the planet and my son was being recruited by BYU prior to his sophomore season, I'd be suggesting he not commit for quite a bit longer.

What if a free Stanford education comes a callin'? What if Duke or powerhouse Kentucky knock on his door? Perhaps bigger than that, there's a lot of talk about the 5 "power" conferences breaking away to form their own division and such a division would likely include paying the athletes.

Playing better competition, under brighter lights (NBA attention), with extra financial perks, are things I'd make sure my kid was comfortable forfeiting. I just don't see a reason not to let that play out a bit, the kid's only a sophomore and could easily commit to BYU a year from now instead (would still be early).

But to each their own and I truly do wish the best for Frank.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

motorbike

Nice try, but obviously you wouldn't be nearly as concerned if Frank had committed to down in the dumps Utah.

Frank committed to the best basketball program in the state, and incidentally, to play where he has always dreamed of playing.

Welcome aboard Frank!

Vegasbob
North Las Vegas, NV

Motorbike,

The 5 power conference scenario if for football. There is not talk about power conference breakout in basketball.

Congratulations Frank.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

I hadn't even heard of Frank (probably since I don't live in Utah), so I pulled up his stats. Wow! Very impressive for a Freshman. Averaged 10 points per game and 50% from beyond the arc. Lehi must have cried when he transferred to Alpine, just like MB is with his commitment to BYU.

BYU basketball has been very good the past decade, but it's going to be even better the next 5 or 6 years.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

If I received an offer that I considered "too good to pass up" I would take it too.

Harvard University is not much, if any, better than BYU when it comes to academics. You must have a 4.0 gpa, be student body president and drum major to get into Harvard. Their grads are successful because of the raw material they receive, not because of the university.

The same goes for basketball. The coaching at Duke or Kentucky is great, but so is Dave Rose. It comes down to raw material. It looks like the raw material that Dave Rose is receiving will move BYU to the next level in the next few years.

Congratulations on a dream come true Frank. I'll bet that Dave Rose is pinching himself.

Sandyclaws
Salt Lake City, UT

I respect your comment Motorbike. There are a lot of things that a young man should consider before making such a big decision. I think I just assume that he has had lots of conversations with his parents about this and that his parents have brought up many of the points you mention. Why do you assume that they haven't?

BYU is an excellent school (recently named one of the Top Ten Values in a university education along with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Dartmouth, Cornell, and.....I forgot the other one). They also have an outstanding basketball program with one of the best head coaches in America (wishing you the best Dave Rose).

And, if nothing else, it is the team he has always dreamed of playing for.

He couldn't do much better than that.

Congratulations Frank. Welcome to the Cougars (in a few years).

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@motorbike

Time to put away your Pac-10.2 patch.
The so called Big-5 construct does not even apply to basketball or any other collegiate sport other than football.

Give it a rest.

BYU has the inroads to the best LDS recruits.
It all shifted when Majerus was so dismissive of his own assistant, Jeff Judkins, who was the main liaison between Utah's recruiting and the LDS kids..

It's the "Curse of the Juddy".
About 90 more years to go for U!.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Well he's not quite Brekkot Chapman, who you guys wanted.

But congratulations, I guess?

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Motorbike, I won't be quite as dismissive of your questions as my fellow couug fans, but I would add to your list of requisites the LDS factor.

LDS kids have a tendancy to like to play at an LDS-centric university, and this is not a factor to be dismissed or relegated to the second or third tier of decision-making process.

More than that, kids want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. So, yes, the "what's in it for me" factor, and getting the biggest piece of the pie you can is important, but how many times have you heard (and perhaps mocked) a BYU recruit say, "BYU is going to win a ntional championship, and I want to help make it happen."

Fans like Chris B may deride, but kids want to be a contributing factor to something big, perhaps more than they want to be a bench rider at a place with a better chance of actually competing for that national championship.

WisCoug
VERONA, WI

@Chris B
He may not be Brekkot Chapman, but not every recruit is (e.g. Parker Van Dyke and Brandon Miller). Does BYU wish they got him? Of course, but ultimately BYU is probably pretty happy with their incoming 4-star guys (Mika, Haws and Emery) and the rest of the the 3-star gang (Hartsock, Worthington, Seljaas, Collinsworh [returning], Nixon, Shaw) joining or returning to the program over the next few years.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Any player, who as a freshman no less, that can put up 30 points against the best high school basketball team in the nation, is truly a great get.
On top of that, since he's been attending BYU basketball camps for years, so both he and the BYU coaches know exactly what they are getting.
A true congratulations is in order to both him and BYU.
BYU is continuing to take steps to ensure it's intermountain dominance for years to come.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

He doesn't want to play for the "fans" in salt Lake. He wants to play for teams that make it clear to the sweet 16. Once.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Y Grad / Y Dad

Thanks for the unemotional and unbiased comment. It's far more enjoyable to discuss topics with reasonable fans like yourself.

Your point of Frank being LDS is a good one. There are really only two D1 campuses in the country that can provide him the opportunity to be surrounded by a lot of LDS students. So despite all my reasons why I think it's silly to commit so early, if he KNOWS he wants that LDS BYU experience above all else and doesn't see anything changing that, then perhaps his early commitment is the right thing.

As for the rest of the BYU fan comments ... I suggest lessons in reading comprehension. Did I once mention Utah? I also wasn't saying Frank shouldn't commit to BYU, I was simply saying what's the hurry?

Additionally, some of you are in for a giant surprise if you think only football players will get paid if/when the the power 5 breakaway happens. Do you really think men's basketball players won't take issue with that? And what about Title IX? Thus my point of letting it play out a bit more.

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

Welcome Frank, you must of made Dave Rose really perked up after he had his surgery. We will be watching LP again this year and see how you guys do. Have fun.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Chris B.

"Well he's not quite Brekkot Chapman, who you guys wanted. But congratulations, I guess?"

You’re right, he’s not Brekkott Chapman. As a HS freshman Chapman didn’t play but Jackson averaged 10 ppg and shot 50 percent from behind the arc. Against the best team Chapman played in his whole high school career (Bountiful in the 4A quarter finals) Chapman had 2 points. Meanwhile, as a freshman Jackson dropped 30 on Lone Peak, easily the best team in Utah and arguably the best team in the country.

Now Utah does get a proven commodity in Chapman, he was a huge get (on par with most of BYU’s other recruits). While we’re not quite sure what we’ve got with Jackson, even if he’s a bust the future is very bright in Provo.

2013, 2014 in-state basketball recruit rankings (Rivals/Scout/ESPN/Average)

Chapman - Utah: 57, 79, 49 (#62)
Haws - BYU: 63, 42, 48 (#51)
Dastrup - ??: 77, 84, 85 (#82)
Mika - BYU: 49, 38, 28 (#38)
Emery - BYU: 89,78, 45 (#71)

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Motorbike

"Additionally, some of you are in for a giant surprise if you think only football players will get paid if/when the the power 5 breakaway happens. Do you really think men's basketball players won't take issue with that? And what about Title IX? Thus my point of letting it play out a bit more."

While I agree with you that it wouldn't hurt Jackson to wait before committing I do disagree with the statement I've posted above. Basketball doesn't have nearly the same kind of money behind it as football does and while paying student-athletes to play football is highly unlikely I would say that it is nigh impossible for basketball players. Sure they'll want to get paid, but the money just won't be there like it could potential be for football. Cheers.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

motorbike

"Playing better competition, under brighter lights (NBA attention),..."

Utah fans love to spin this false narative, but the truth is, if you're good enough, the NBA will find you regardless of whether you play at Kentucky or SW Podunk U.

John Stockton, Karl Malone, Larry Bird and Scottie Pippen were all original Dream Teamers, yet none of them played for big name schools.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

You make some good points but you're fooling yourself if you don't think your own utah bias isn't playing a factor in your opinion here. If, as phantomblade pointed out, this kid had given a committment to krystkowiak yesterday you would have been posting a much different opinion.

But you are correct that he could have waited, but the truth is he still is waiting. He cannot sign yet, if he turns out to be as good as coach Rose thinks he is then other schools are going to come after him, they will not care that he gave BYU a committment they will still give him offers and he can still change his mind. I would venture that krystkowiak will give him an offer at some point and he will have the choice to take him up on it.

In the meantime it is nice to know that BYU is the first choice, and dream destination, for the vast majority of Utah's top basketball recruits. That means on the rare occasions utah does get one it is time for christina to throw a party because it doesn't happen often.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

"...you're fooling yourself if you don't think your own utah bias isn't playing a factor in your opinion here. If, as phantomblade pointed out, this kid had given a committment to krystkowiak yesterday you would have been posting a much different opinion."
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Yes and No. If he were to have committed to Utah I'd certainly have been happy, but I'd still question the very same things I mentioned with exception of the "paid to play" comment being that Utah is already in one of those 5 conferences.

Realize that Utah hasn't even offered Frank. I do know they were/are interested in Frank, but I also know they told him they wanted to see him play more this year since he was hurt for a portion of his very good freshman year at Lehi. A major advantage BYU has over Utah in this case is that Frank lives much closer to the Y and spent all summer playing on the BYU campus with guys on the team.

Good for Dave Rose, I personally believe Frank will end up being incredibly good ... thus the comments about Duke, Kentucky and Stanford.

alternate
Salt Lake City, UT

As always had the young man chosen Utah, then Chris B and friends would be singing praises rather than trying to find negatives to toss out. Another interesting note is that the pro-Utah people failed to mention is that the Utes would have loved to have this kid playing for them at Huntsman.

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