Loved this article!Love our QB, Taysom Hill! Great game against
After last night's (09/16) game, please don't compare Taysom Hill to
Colin Kaepernick. That would be disrespectful to Taysom!
By the time that Taysom finishes his 3 years at BYU I fully expect that he will
be comparing well with Kaep as well as some of the previous successful QBs at
BYU... He's quick, he's athletic, and he has a bag full of tools... He
also has a strong arm, that just needs to be tamed.
VegasJazzFanOr you could stay and choose not to comment.Comparing what someone may become to what someone already is, is NOT news.
Nobody says it is. It is editorial comment. Newspapers do that too. It's
okay. It sparks public debate. Which can be healthy. Discussing
the various interpretation of facts, and extrapolating them to some unknown
future conclusion, is interesting. It should be taken with a grain of salt.
Either way. But disparaging an opinion, accompanied by facts and statistics, is
as senseless as me telling someone not to comment at all.Those of my
fellow BYU fans who dismissed Alex have been proven wrong. Sort of. Collin
grew into the rock star he is today, he didn't burst full blown onto the
scene. The jury is still out on Tebow, but right now doesn't look too
good.Hill is an enigma. One unfortunate tackle could end the
discussion right there. But he has already accomplished something that very few
qbs ever do. That seems to be a bitter pill for some of you to have to swallow.
Have you actually watched kapernick? Hill has a long way to go to be just a 50%
passer. He tucks and runs at the first sign of difficulty. Kapernick is a
stud,he makes good decisions,hits receivers and is very accurate. What kind of
caffeine free coke are you guys drinking?
WookieYou're assuming that a first-year QB coach can't be
a successful QB coach.You're also assuming that a coach with
previous success as a QB coach will continue to be a successful QB coach.But, you have no proof that either assumption is correct.Until last season, no freshman had ever won the Heisman Trophy - yet Johnny
Manziel did.Until last season, Utah State hadn't beaten the
Utes in 15 years - yet the Aggies did.Just because something
hasn't happened ever, or in a very long time, doesn't mean it
can't happen.Conversely, just because something has happened in
the past, doesn't mean it will happen again in the future.New
coaches and players come onto the scene and flourish.Old coaches and
players who were once very successful fade.Norm Chow was once a very
successful QB coach at BYU. He was far less successful as a QB coach at Utah.Dennis Erickson won 2 national championships at Miami. Since then, he
was 31-17 at Oregon State, 4-8 at Idaho, and 31-31 at ASU with only one winning
season.Past results are no guarantee of future success.
Taysom may run like Kappy but he cant throw like him!What will
happen when Utah loads up 9 in the box and dares Taysom to throw?From the last 2 weeks I wouldn't think it is going to go well unless he
can stop throwing air balls and horse shoes!
Tim Tebow, Jake Locker...those are closer comparisons, and neither one could
pass early in their career. As the game slows down with experience, QBs make
quicker reads, don't rush their delivery, and produce in completetion
percentage and passer rating. Taysom will be just fine, he just needs more time
and experience, just as Locker & Tebow needed. For ute fans and
haters that enjoy unhealthy skepticism, did any of you watch CKap when he was a
Freshman/Sophomore? He was awful throwing the ball, and when he did complete
passes they were usually slants and swing passes not where he had to make reads
and progressions. I agree that Kap isn't a good comparison for Hill because
he is a 6'6 freak that can run. But in terms of early passing struggles,
CKap was as bad as they come...unwatchable at times.
Thank you BYU fans for your many posts. I am now fully convinced that Hill will
be the next great QB to come out of BYU and star in the NFL!
@ Uteanymous:Not sure why you keep bringing up the U. I keep
asking, WHO has Jason coached into an NFL caliber QB. My point is that Taysom
can have all the talent in the world but if he isn't developed correctly it
might be wasted. Dennis Erickson's resume:Ken Hobart
Drafted by New York Jets 1984Scott Linehan: signed a rookie free agent
contract with Dallas Cowboys 1987John Melvin "Deep" Friesz: Played
for San Diego Chargers, Redskins, Seahawks, Patriots Brock Osweiler:
drafted by Denver Broncos 2012Gino Torretta: (Heisman trophy award 1992)
drafted by Vikings 1993 DE has mentored the above mentioned QBs (to
name a few) and this is his first year with Utah, so your statement has no
point...or does it :) GO UTES!
I may have to switch to the other local news publication* after this joke of an
article. *publication withheld due to moderator denial
WookieWho has BJ or DE mentored into an NFL caliber QB at Utah?A washed up has been and a still wet-behind-the-ears wannabe
haven't proven that they're capable of mentoring anybody from Utah
into an NFL caliber QB, so what's your point?
Gotta luv the arrogant, condescending, short-sighted opinions of the haters and
naysayers.Taysom couldn't possibly be as good as Kaepernick,
because, um, Colin is obviously much better than Taysom, today.Here's a litte history lesson to prove that your baseless predictions for
Taysom's long-term potential could all be dead wrong:Steve
Young*1981 - 11 games, 56-112 (50%), 731 yds, 5 TDs, 5 ints, 6.5 ypa,
110.6 rating (ur)1982 - 11 games, 230-367 (62.7%), 3,100 yds, 18 TDs, 18
ints, 8.4 ypa, 140.0 rating (7th)1983 - 11 games, 306-429 (71.3%), 3,902
yds, 33 TDs, 10 ints, 9.1 ypa, 168.5 rating (1st)* Didn't throw
the minimum 14 passes/game to be ranked; Jim McMahon was #1 at 155.0; #20 at
124.4National College Football Hall of Fame, Super Bowl MVPThe truth is, NOBODY knows how good Taysom will become; but to claim that he
couldn't possibly ever be as good as Young or Kaepernick is nothing but
speculation based on nothing but biased opinion.
Thank you BlueCoug:Steve is my all time favorite QB. Loved his run
against minnesota, classic run of all time for a QB. Similar to Alex,
Steve's first few years in the NFL weren't all that great with Tampa,
but once he was with a better team he flourished as we know. Go 9ers! What
separated Steve from Alex was Norm Chow, arguably a master mind for QB
development and he has a track record to show it. Urban, not so much. I would trust Steve's comments more if Taysom has a coach that will
teach him proper fundamentals of the position. BTW, thank you for
clarifying. Go UTES!!
@ Rockwell. Thank you for the information you shared, very helpful. I had
forgotten about Brandon, John and Max (I actually try to forget Max because of
his tirade). I was surprised that BJ didn't make a roster, but he
obviously didn't make the NFL for a reason, one that I cannot comprehend
because I am not that talented or gifted.What about Jason, what QB
has he developed into an NFL caliber QB? I think Taysom is talented no doubt
about that, but it could go all to waste if he isn't taught proper
techniques. As for Alex Smith, he was not ready to start for a team
that was as sorry as the 9ers were when he was drafted. He, like Tebow, was
never taught fundamentals necessary to succeed in the NFL. This has been
documented by Harbaugh and Andy Reid as to his struggles early on. He will, in
my opinion, only be a game manager and not a Pro-Bowl QB. I am not
certain why the personal attack claiming I have crimson glasses. I merely asked
questions to which most have been answered aside from who Jason has coached into
an NFL QB.
WookieSteve Young's comments were made on a radio program today
while he was discussing Taysom's passing struggles in his first couple of
games this year.If anybody knows what it takes to go from a
below-average passer who could run as a Sophomore, to a very effective,
highly-rated passer as a Senior, it's Steve - in fact, he could say,
"been there, done that", and much, much more!
WookieJohn Beck and Max Hall both played in the NFL. Although
neither had an outstanding NFL career, they were, by definition, NFL caliber
quarterbacks.Brandon Doman was also signed by the 49ers, and
although he never played in a regular-season NFL game, he did spend two seasons
on the 49ers's roster.All three accomplished something
Utah's Sugar Bowl winning quarterback Brian Johnson couldn't, that is,
they all actually made an NFL roster.Alex Smith was obviously
brought into the conversation to illustrate how wildly inconsistent Utah fans
are with their evaluations. Utah fans have already labeled Taysom a bust because
he's had a couple of sub-par passing games in his 4th and 5th games as a
starter. Alex Smith was still being given a free pass by Utah fans after years
and years of mediocrity in the NFL.If your crimson glasses have
blinded you from seeing the inconsistency there, I can't help you.
Laughable! They're not even comparable... maybe compare Taysom to Eric
Crouch, Jamelle Holieway or Tim Tebow, but until his passing gets a heck of a
lot better, there will be no similarity between Hill and Kaepernick."Throws a better ball" ROFL!!! Are we watching the same games?
@ TalkinsportsMaybe you can educate me as well. Who has Jason Beck
mentored into becoming an NLF caliber QB at the schools where he has coached? I
am not certain if he is incapable or not. I am asking who he has thus far
during his coaching stints. I love Steve Young as I have been a
lifelong 9er fan. I am not familiar with Steve's comments or what context
he may have made those comments. However, upon first blush, I would have to
agree, time and experience will make anyone good. However, will this translate
into him being an NLF caliber QB? I am not certain. I have only stated the
facts as to when the last time the Y produced an NLF caliber QB? And what
coaches helped them to get there? As for Alex Smith, I am not
certain why he even came into this discussion as I have said nothing about him.
However, Alex has developed into a decent QB once he had the right coaches in
place for his success. Even Andy Reid has made reference to why he struggled
early in his career and why he has turned it around. GO UTES!
No comparison. Kaepernick has the complete package...maybe in the top 5 NFL QB
list today. Kaepernick can run and throw plus he has the height to see the
defense. A rare combination indeed. Hill can run...and his throwing ability is
Y Ask Y"Nobody is predicting Hill's failure."Don't kid yourself; that's exactly what the haters are predicting.
You might be a BYU grad, but it's blatantly obvious from your
constant sniping at BYU that you're not a BYU fan.
Wookie"He [Taysom Hill] may, as I stated, be a better QB
that[sic] Kaepernick, but his talent WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED [emphasis added] by
the current coaches."You're the one "claiming" to
be an "expert" here, so why don't you explain to us IN DETAIL why
Jason Beck is incapable of tutoring and developing an NFL caliber QB.btw, this is what a true expert had to say about Taysom:"When
Taysom finds a pace he will improve. Reps and time will help." -Steve
YoungIts laughable how Utah fans had all kinds of whiny excuses to
explain why Alex Smith wasn't an instant success in the NFL, even after
YEARS of mediocrity, yet they want to write Taysom Hill off as a complete
failure with absolutely no capacity for improvement after only 5 starts.
Get a clue, fanatics.Nobody is predicting Hill's failure. We
are just saying this comparison is laughable!And it is, even to a
BYU grad/fan such as myself.
@ UteanymousWell educate me more please. Help me understand from
all of those schools where Jason Beck has coached, what QB has he tutored and
developed into a NFL caliber QB. I have no doubt as to the success that the Y
had in the past with QBs under Chow, who as you are already aware had great
success at USC.I look forward to your reply.Go UTES!!
UteologySteve Young's Sophomore season stats, his first year
playing, weren't particularly good either:11 games played, 56
of 112 (50%), 731 yards, 5 TDs, 5 ints, 6.5 ypa, 110.63 rating53 rushes,
337 yards, 0 TDs, 6.4 ypaTaysom Hill only started 3 games as a
Freshman, barely played in 2 others, and has only started 2 games as a
Sophomore:7 games played, 64 of 137 (47%), 729 yards, 5 TDs, 4 ints,
5.3 ypa, 97.6 rating83 rushes, 635 yards, 8 TDs, 7.7 ypaAs a
Freshman:5 games played, 42 of 71 (59%), 425 yards, 4 TDs, 2 ints,
6.0 ypa, 122.4 ratingHaters and naysayers who are already predicting
that Taysom Hill is destined for failure simply because his passing accuracy has
been a little off in his first two games this season, may be in for a rude
We have some great receivers that haven't received a pass. Don't even
try and compare.
I'm a Taysom Hill fan, but Kaepernick is a monster. Right now. No
Uteology"Past performance is a good indicator of future
performance."So you're waying that no college football
player has ever improved his performance dramatically after his first five games
started?The delusional spin that the kids on the hill have to resort
to to defend their wild theories is truly laughable.
This just in....Travis Wilson on track to be the next Tom Brady, providing he
improves his passing and decision-making skills. Chin cleft still under
Oh brother. One would think Teeples would be embarrassed to write this stuff.
@UteanymousWhat you can't prove, is how good Taysom will be by
the time he finishes his career at BYU.-----------------Past performance is a good indicator of future performance. I
think we can all agree that judging by his past performance he's more
likely to be Tebow-lite than Kaep 2.0.I could be wrong, he could end
up being the next Steve Young but as of today he's more like Riley Nelson.
UteologyYou're spending a lot of time frantically and
emotionally trying to prove that Taysom isn't currently as good as
Kaepernick... like, duh!What you can't prove, is how good
Taysom will be by the time he finishes his career at BYU.
BYU hasn't produced a starting NFL QB since Steve Young and now this
comparison:"Kaepernick was nothing resembling a prolific passer
for a large chunk of his college career. In fact, he looked a lot like Taysom
Hill. Granted, the sample size is small due to Hill’s meager four starts.
But the comparison still holds validity." -- TeeplesNo it does
not. Lets look at same sample size, the first four games for Kaep vs. Hill.
Inn particular the QB rating, which the author completely ignores.Kaep:64/111 1000 YDS 57% CMP 10 TD 0 INT 160 QB Rating Hill:58/123651 YDS47% CMP4
TD4 INT97 QB Rating* Conclusion 160 QB RAT is
significantly greater than a 97 QB RAT. * Hill is also not a true
freshman, he's 3 years more "mature" than when Kaep played his
first 4 games.* Kaep was rated the #10 QB his freshman year, Hill is
currently ranked #122 out of 123 QBs (Source: ESPN).
Taysom should be compared to Joe Montana or Steve Young.
What a stretch! Why so desperate to tie Hill to Kapernick? There is little
comparison. The Nevada offense was revolutionary when it came out with the
pistol. It reconfigured the option of Nebraska and Oklahoma in the 70's and
80's and made it even harder for defenses to defend. The BYU
offense is jumping on the bandwagon of the latest offensive fad. Defenses have
already started to figure out the read option. The only teams that can
consistently run this offense rely on speed. It will be interesting
to see what happens at the end of the year and where the BYU offense ends up.
Still to early to start comparing Hill to one of the best college quarterbacks
in recent memory.
The best comparison to Taysom Hill is Luke Staley. They both are great runners.
However, Luke might be a better passer.
This article could only be published in this media outlet...Could
you please write an article next week comparing Chris B to Karl Malone? Malone
played Power Forward in the NBA and Chris B played "point" for his CYC
team...About the same as Hill and any NFL QB...
Wookie"He [Taysom] may, as I stated, be a better QB that
Kaepernick, but his talent will not be developed by the current coaches. And you're basing your OPINION on what, your BYU-hating bias?Do you have even the foggiest idea what kind of a coach Jason Beck
is?Here's a clue:-Offensive intern (quarterbacks)
at BYU under Bronco Mendenhall in 2007-Offensive intern at LSU under
Gary Crowton on Les Miles' staff in 2008-Quarterbacks coach at
Weber State 2009-11 under head coach Ron McBride-Offensive
coordinator in 2012 at Simon Fraser (Burnaby, B.C., Canada), the only school
outside of the US to be a member of the NCAA-Turned SFU's
offense (ranked last in Great Northwest Athletic Conference in 2011) into the
league's No. 1 offense in total offense, passing offense and scoring
offense in 2012Some very good coaches were never starters in
college; in fact, some never even played college football.
ha ha ha ha ha .... !this story is rich!an objective
comparison would be.......wait for it ...There is no
comparison!Kaepernick is great and Taysom? ...well, he isn´t
even a good QB.That may change, but then so will the comparison. Again - ha ha ha ha ha Zubie world is fantastic!
Wow. Nothing but obsessed utes posting today. I thought they had moved on. But
I had to read anyway. Nothing like a daily dose of Chris B's signature
"LOL" and "mark it down" to finish up after a day at the
beach.BTW Chris B. "LOL" has become the equivalent of a
teenage girl saying "Whateverrrrrr"
And Grizzly Adams had a beard.
Did Kapernick (a great QB) ever run for 259 yds in a game...college or NFL? It
is too early to compare these two, but their running styles are similar.
Although, Hill cannot throw the ball to an open receiver yet. How
can a qb at BYU not be able to throw the ball less than a year removed from
being ABLE to throw the ball? It's not like passing is something new to the
This is totally pointless to be making any kinds of projections or comparisons
at this early stage. I'm sure Taysom isn't indulging in this kind of
silly game. On the other hand, to talk about Taysom like he has no athletic
ability is also ridiculous. Teeples doesn't speak for the rest of us Cougar
fans. Let the kids play their games out and THEN let's see what we think at
the end of the season. The rest is all conjecture. Oh, and BEAT
Snack Pac:I wasn't even discussing the U. I know that the Y
has produced better QBs that the U has to date. What I am getting at is that
Taysom will not improve until he has a better QB coach. He may, as I stated, be
a better QB that Kaepernick, but his talent will not be developed by the current
coaches. It has been a long time since the Y has produced a decent QB that is
NFL caliber. I am not trying to rib or ridicule, rather point out the facts.
The analysis won't be complete until there is a comparison of tattoos!
What a stupid article. While you're at it, why not compare Kaepernick to
Joe Montana or Steve Young. Sheesh.
WookieWhen was the last time a Utah QB rushed for 259 yards against
an elite team like Texas?How many decent NFL QBs has the U
produced?Call us the first time one of them is named NFL or Super
Bowl MVP.GO COUGARS!
Teeples wanted to be taken seriously he probably should have written about the
comparisons between Chuckie Keeton and Kapernick, Keeton at least passes as well
as Kapernick, and from my experience, they even kind of look alike (as long as
you are sitting near the top of Romney Stadium).
Ernest:Taysom: 6'2" 220Colin: 6'4" 230Also, Taysom may be a better QB, but seriously ask yourself, when was the last
time BYU produced a decent NFL QB? They do not have a coach that will help him
grow. Seriously, look at reality. GO UTES!
If you look at the statistics provided in the article they are very similar. I
believe that is what is trying to be stated. Now I do believe the comparison is
a little premature but Hill can only improve his passer rating. And another
comparison Jim Harbuagh likes them both!Go Cougs!!! Go 9ers!!!
That's just funny, all the trolls coming to the defense of Colin
Kaepernick. When he sent you all's former #1 draft pick to the bench to
pick up a clip board and send signals in so he could take the 49ers to the
Superbowl you weren't so hot on him.
Ute Fans crack me up,You need intervention and deep psychological
Taysom could totally be better than Kapernicks. He is faster, bigger and throws
a better ball. You guys just wait and see them.
Jake Locker is a more accurate comparison. If you compare Locker as a sophomore
to Hill the resemblance is uncanny. Locker was never a great passer, but he was
still a good enough athlete to be a 1st round draft pick, and the starting QB
for the Titans.
Right now what we are seeing is the wishbone offense. Once he can run it
effectively, then it will be the option read. Hill is young, he will
After starting eight games during his freshman year (2007), this is how
Kaepernick performed in a 0-23 shutout loss to New Mexico in the New Mexico
Bowl:13 of 31 passing (42%), 137 yards (a long of 24 yards), 0
TDs12 rushes for 26 yardsIf Kaepernick had played for BYU,
Christy would have labeled Colin a miserable failure and would have suggested
that BYU find a "real" QB to start in 2008.
All this after just one game... really?
The lowest rated passer in the NCAA is Adam Dingwell of SDSU.
Get Real! This really can't be a serious article.
As much as I loved sitting in the stands last Saturday and watching the beat
down of Texas, this comparison is probably a little premature.
Kaepernick can pass. Hill hasn't shown much of that his first two games.
Laughing at the naysayers!Colin Kaepernick was a four-year starter
at Nevada from 2007-2010.Taysom Hill is a five-GAME starter at BYU
(3 games last year, 2 games this year).It's silly to even be
trying to compare the two at this point.Anybody trying to label
Taysom a bust this early in his career is simply a hater.
Daddykins, we did! Still an absurd comparison. Kaepernick played professional
baseball and it has always been known he has a rocket launcher for an arm.Hill can't even do a decent baseball SLIDE!
Good grief this is pathetic.
Children, read the article.
Why not start beating the national championship drum while we're at it.
BYU lost to Virginia. VIRGINIA!! This last win was
nice, but it was one win over Texas team that could be terrible. Let's just take it one game at a time.
With little more than the title of this article, Teeples has lost all
Kaepernick 70% accuracy as mentioned in the articleHill 33%
accuracy.Yep, I can see the strong comparison!LOL
LOL!For 3 years Riley Nelson is Tim Tebow and now Taysom is
Kapernick?LOL!Tell me, id Kaepeernick ever have the
WORST qb passer rating in the entire country?Don't mock
Kaepernick with such a comparison.
All well & good except Colin K can pass w/ accuracy.