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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 11 2013 9:00 p.m. MDT

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rbgntx
Kaufman, TX

Many of the comments here are supporting the business owner's right to refuse service as they see fit and decrying the pressure brought to bear by the gay community. Many years ago, while a student at Weber State, I witnessed Joy Beach and her inappropriately named "Citizens for True Freedom" protest and demand the closure of an Ogden bakery that sold adult themed cakes. I do not recall a similar outpouring of support for business rights at that time.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

As a Christian, this is a very tough issue. However, the vindictiveness on the part of the group is overwhelming. Whatever happened to good old fashioned picketing? These types of threats could be construed as extortion. This is on the cusp of what the mafia were once upon a time accused of doing. The question is whether there were physical threats as well.

east of utah
Saint Joseph, MO

The law is you cannot discriminate because of sexual orientation. Have they ever refused to sell a birthday cake to somebody because they were gay? If two heteorsexual individuals walked in and wanted a wedding cake, would they do it? The issue is not one of sexual orientation but rather same sex marriage.

Morgan Duel
Taylorsville, UT

Welcome to the new world. Seems like the Germans faced this thinking in the 1930's and look what happened? But then that really did not happen did it?

gburns52
Milford, UT

From what I've read in this and previous articles, this is not discrimination based on their sexual orientation, as they were regular customers of the bakery. The bakery refused to make a cake that it considered vulgar. Would you consider it discrimination that a delicatessen owned by a Jew did not sell ham? The bigger issue here is that the activists have threatened other businesses, which is extortion. Now, you're talking about cutting off someone's means of surviving and not just a cake for entertainment.

crunchem
Cedar City, Utah

Mom of 8 - Ironically, since YOUR discrimination was by someone contracted with the STATE to provide a service for you, you SHOULD have squawked long and hard about what they did. That's way out of bounds. As for not baking a cake for someone, that's their PRIVATE business, and no one should tell them how to run it. As it is, I'm glad you found other ways to solve your problem. Talk about double whammy; Mormon AND homeschooled outside of Utah, kudos to you. lol

PolishBear
Charleston, WV

All the bakeries and florists and caterers and photographers that people are wailing and gnashing their teeth about? They aren't in the business of enforcing moral codes or providing spiritual guidance, they exist to MAKE MONEY. And as such they are obligated to comply with civil rights laws, whether those civil rights law protect people based on race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

Perhaps Christians who believe that existing civil rights laws are too burdensome should file suit to have those laws overturned. Who knows, maybe they’ll be successful! Maybe the Supreme Court will determine that civil rights laws interfere with religious freedom and freedom of association. Then we can go back to the days when landlords could refuse to rent to Muslims, and restaurants could turn away Blacks. Christian business owners would be allowed to ask prospective customers which religion or sexual orientation they are, and then pick and choose which customers to serve, and which to turn away.

You could even call it "American Exceptionalism!"

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When an employee cannot comply with the rules of the employer and is unable to renegotiate the rules the only thing the employee can do is quit.

The same thing applies to business operations. If a town, city, state or group allows a business operation to provide service or goods to its member citizens, it is in fact in the role of the employer.

The business operation as the employee must either follow the rules or quit. This is the only freedom that business operations have so far as the permission to operate is concerned. This overall rule for business does not take away any freedom guaranteed by the Constitution.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

It's astounding, yes astounding to see the responses here claiming that a business has the right to deny service to anyone it wants. Simply put, no they don't. Commerce is regulated pure and simple, and one of those regulations is a restriction on whom you can deny service to. It's federal law and it's state law.

No state has a law that I'm aware of that says you have to serve everyone who comes through your door, but all states say you can't refuse service to someone based on certain criteria, and now in some states that includes a persons sexual orientation. So, if a gay person comes into your bakery without their shirt on you could ask them to leave based on your standard of no shirt, no service, but you couldn't refuse them service if they requested a cake for their gay wedding.

I'm also curious which other laws the DN would recommend we refuse to obey.

crunchem
Cedar City, Utah

Marco - Are you reading the same article as the rest of us? What is the story about? A bakery. check. Where is it? Oregon. check. What happened? They were (verbally) attacked and intimidated. check. By whom? Gay rights activists. check.

Looks like the headline summed it up perfectly. Perhaps your agenda is showing?

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

SLCWatch

Salt Lake City, UT

Let's look at it from a different angle.

If a black photographer is asked to take pictures of a Ku Klux Klan convention and he is held to the same quality and standard of work he would provide anyone else he must provide those services.
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Klan members are not listed on the state law of whom one cannot discriminate against.

Big difference.

Tuffy Parker
Salem, UT

The problem the LGBT activists is that they have no tolerance for difference of opinion. They are right and if you don't agree with them you are wrong. Then they become determined to force you to believe as they do. The concept of "we will force you to accept our belief and accept our actions" is terrifying.

Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

This seems to be a coordinated effort by the LBGT community to target small business owners who have a religious objection to gay marriage. Earlier this year the same thing happened to a Colorado bakery. There have also been similar instances with florists and photographers. In one case a photographer arranged for a different photographer to take pictures at a gay wedding for the same price, but the gay couple still file discrimination complaint against the original photographer.

I have yet to hear about a gay couple trying to do this to a Muslim-owned business, they seem to only target Christians.

It seems wrong for a judge to religious beliefs have to be set aside when requests are made by clients. Where will this end? Could a web designer be compelled to create a website displaying something contrary to religious beliefs. Could a Jewish or Muslim caterer be compelled to serve ham at an Easter celebration?

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

I missed the "attack". All I read was that citizens of Oregon had the audacity to enforce the laws on the books and then proceeded to utilize the free market to boycott or potentially boycott businesses they disagreed with. This isn't an attack, this is standing up to a bully.

Stop playing the victim. Christians (myself included) have enjoyed the rule of the roost, to the detriment of others, for far too long in the United States. Historically, the perpetrators of human rights violations in the US have a common theme: white, religious conservatives.

If you want to get a good sense of which side is in the right, look to the activist organizations that correctly fought against civil rights abuses of the past and see who they support. Most organizations that fought for and continue fighting for blacks' rights or women's rights now fight for gay rights. It is disheartening, however, to see my fellow LDS fight against a marginalized group of Americans. If we LDS are going to only fight for individuals that share our personal ideals while fighting against those that don't, I fear we did not learn the appropriate lessons from Missouri/Illinois.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@ParkCityAggie

"How come this is the only media outlet I see running this story?"
Its been widely reported - The DN is actually a late comer

Stalwart Sentinel
If a person can hate in the name of God, Motherhood or patriotism - then they can hate in the name of civil rights, women's right or gay right. Your basic assumption that all support for those causes is inherently noble is simply inaccurate.
As a homosexual, gay bullies do NOT help me any more than Al Sharpton advances racial tolerance.

btw DN moderators, nice job of ongoing censorship

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@pragmatistferlife

"It's astounding, yes astounding to see the responses here claiming that a business has the right to deny service to anyone it wants. Simply put, no they don't."

actually, simply put; yes they do

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@parkcityaggie

When a law is developed and passed based on policiacl correctness and immoral principles, it is a bad law...

When a law takes away the freedoms of an individual or a family wishing to conduct their business based on their religious and moral values it is a bad law...

When a law is put in place by a city or a state and is in conflict with the laws and provisions of the constitution it is a bad law (meaning illegal) and should be challenged... Then what? Which law do you follow?

To imply that members of the church who are opposed to this ridiculous and confusing law are in breach of their faith is ridiculous and disingenuous...

I find it amusing that people who are not of a certain faith or who may not even be religious at all are often the first to head to the pulpit and preach to the masses about the hypocricy of their ways (citing scripture and verse of which they, themselves, have little to no understanding).

In short, parkcityaggie, I am more than comfortible with how my beliefs on this issue square with my faith.

CottageCheese
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Sounds like acceptance and tolerance to me. "If you don't agree with my morality I will take away your livelihood."

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

@Counter Intelligence
A business that offers services to the public does NOT have the legal right to deny service to "anyone it wants," and that's the way it should be. The Civil Rights acts make it illegal for businesses to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion. Otherwise, we'd go back to the days when blacks, gays, Jews, Mexicans, etc., were routinely denied service. I was a customer in a barbershop back in the 1960s when a Latino man came in looking to get a haircut. The barber picked up a bottle, threw it at him, shouted, "Get out of here, Mexican!" That was the pre-Civil Rights world. BTW, I myself never patronized that business again.

Amalgamate
Los Angeles, CA

Tekakaromatagi-youre middle eastern so you dont get it-in this country, we respect ALL people-women too! shocker, huh? It's not about "Gay Right", it's about the right to be gay-your country is about 800 years behind ours-you'll catch up

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