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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 11 2013 9:00 p.m. MDT

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rightascension
Provo, UT

they should remember that their business is a public accommodation.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Good.

snowman
Provo, UT

Businesses have the right to refused service to anyone they want.

schlumpy
Orem, UT

No, it is not a public accommodation. It is not a park or government service or public building. It is a private business.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Gay rights activists will not win support by attacking people over their religion.

Really???
Kearns, UT

If this is true, it's a very sad story. I have a hard time, however, believing it. Who are the wedding vendors who got the threatening calls? How many calls did they actually get? Right now it sounds like stories without much actual evidence to back up the claims.

PLM
Kaysville, UT

I was thinking Freedom of Speech also. As an artist I would turn down a commission that I couldn't create with a clear conscience. No one has the right to force a business to perform a service for them - this story sounds like mob rule and they drove the business out. Remember Karma - what goes around comes around.

SenoraJefe
orem, UT

I imagine the Christian couple would have been happy to make a birthday cake for one of the lesbian's, or a congratulations cake, or any sort of other cake. It shouldn't be against the law to discriminate against a CEREMONY that goes against a business owner's core beliefs. They weren't discriminating against the lesbians, they were discriminating against the ceremony. Just like the photographer who is going through the same thing for refusing to photograph a homosexual wedding. I'm sure she would have done some nice head shots or graduation pictures, or other pictures for a gay person, but she shouldn't have to photograph an action or ceremony that goes against her religious beliefs.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

I wonder how commenters would feel about businesses denying service to black people, or Mormons, or women. Discrimination is not allowed for a reason.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The business should be able to deny service to anyone. Anyone, then, should be able to take their business elsewhere. Private groups and business and individuals should be able to hold and act on an opinion, within the law, amongst themselves, in context of whatever consequences that opinion may generate. There are people who pull into my driveway on Sunday seeking an antidote to the bad aftertaste of church that I do not wish to provide services to, and like the photographer or baker in the story I reserve the right to to refuse them such service. Of course it's because they can't pay me on sunday and feel less obliged by monday, and that's where I take my stand. Pay me today, or go away. You can lie to god, but not me. It's my privilege, and so it is with this baker.

Thriller
Saint George, UT

They won't tolerate these intolerant actions of intolerant business owners; they simply won't tolerate it.

Vladhagen
Salt Lake City, UT

SenoraJefe brings up an interesting point. This is not so much about the fact that the people were lesbians, it was the event they wanted the cake for. A business should be able to discriminate which services they provide.

Thriller
Saint George, UT

Schwa, as a Mormon, I would not stand outside and protest a business that refused to serve me due to my religion. I would laugh and take my money elsewhere where it is actually wanted. If a company doesn't want to do business with me, it's their loss but it's their right.

Why would you want someone to make your wedding cake when you know they are completely and morally opposed to your wedding? Why would you feel the need to force them against their will to do what you want or have them shut down? I don't get it.

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

Schwa~

I was discriminated against because I was a Mormon, when I lived in Virginia. My homeschooled children were supposed to take a state test proctored by another religion's school. When I called to make the arrangements, they asked my religion, and I told them. They promptly hung up and refused to take my follow-up calls. They refused to deal with Mormons, even though it was a state test and they were supposed to administer it.

What did I do?

After I got over my shock and dismay, I remembered that they have their points of view, and I have mine.

I found other arrangements. And I never sought retribution or drew attention to or named the group.

There are always alternatives.

Brother Benjamin Franklin
Orem, UT

I think that this business got exactly what it deserved. When you discriminate against someone because you don't agree with them, then you have a serious problem in society.

But the religious people don't want to hear that. They just want to everyone to think like they do, and then manipulate things if they don't get what they want. They use religion as a cover for their dislike of what others believe and feel. To them, LGBT people are not normal, everyday people because they feel and see things differently.

I am not asking religious people to like or respect that. But I am asking that they stop pretending like they are standing up for something good when they refuse service to people with differing viewpoints, and to just treat them like they themselves want to be treated and be happy for their fellow citizens.

Accusing LGBT people of activism and being intolerant accomplishes nothing. On the contrary, if it accomplishes anything, it discredits religion and its adherents. And as we all know, saying you believe in one thing and doing something else is hypocritical.

That is why this business got this result. Plain and simple.

OlderGreg
USA, CA

PLM has a very good point.
To hire an artisan/ craftsman whose heart is not "into it" is folly ( or it is an exercise in a hidden agenda)

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@schwa... You mean like how Romney was relentlessly attacked by Gays and some selected folks in minority groups because he was a Mormon? Or do you mean like how the University of California and Stanford kept and continue to keep BYU out of the PAC12 because they are a Mormon Based University??? That kind of discrimination???

Because that kind of discrimination is okay, in fact it's vogue in today's liberal world... You can discriminate against a white male under 40 and not let him into high powered universities (i.e. Harvard or Stanford) because he is not in a protected class even though his test scores and gpa are better than protected class competitors... Or you can discriminate in hiring for jobs if the person is white and under 40 despite the fact that they are better qualified...(i.e. How many White Males have been hired as EVPs in Human Resources for fortune 500 companies the past 10 years???)

In this case, the Bakery supposedly discriminated against a couple of people simply because of a CHOICE that they have made???

As they say, this world is now officially and totally upside down...

SLCWatch
Salt Lake City, UT

Let's look at it from a different angle.

If a black photographer is asked to take pictures of a Ku Klux Klan convention and he is held to the same quality and standard of work he would provide anyone else he must provide those services. He can't shed his color and he can't refuse on the grounds of personal belief. He can't hide who he is. He can not discriminate. Providing his services in this situation can be very threatening.

So it is with a devout religious person, he can't shed his faith and he can't refuse on grounds of personal belief. He can't hide who he is by belief. He can't discriminate. Providing his service to people who hate his beliefs can be very threatening.

But both can insist on reasonable security measures of their own choosing and that feeling of personal safety in a hostile environment can be extremely expensive.

GrantH
HENDERSON, NV

These bakers shut down their shop because there was at least one lawsuit against them, and they realized that they would lose. There are laws in every state that say that if you have a business that serves the public, you may not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, and in many areas now, sexual preference. It is a state law of Oregon. For you folks in the 19th century state of Utah, you can relax right now because the similar law does not cover sexual preference. So although you cannot turn away Black folks or Mormons from your businesses, you may still tell gay folks that you will not do business with them. Remember when no one liked Mormons because they had too many wives? Some businesses would not serve them back then. Some lessons have yet to be learned.

O'really
Idaho Falls, ID

Thriller- it's very easily explained. It's called "cramming our lifestyle down your throat" or "making an example of anyone who doesn't accept our homosexual lifestyle".

AS a Mormon, I'd be puzzled and then I'd walk away and take my business elsewhere. But to take it to the court system is way beyond necessary. There had to be a better way than to put this family out of business.

@ Really- it's a true story. I've read about it from several news sources.

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