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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 10 2013 8:35 p.m. MDT

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Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

Is 62, 121, or 190 better?

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

"BYU and the University of Utah enjoyed modest gains, while Utah State University experienced a significant slip in the 2014 rankings of the best colleges in America released Tuesday U.S. News & World Report.

Within the National Universities category BYU ranked 62nd and Utah checked in at 121st — up six and four spots, respectively, from last year. Conversely, Utah State slid 16 places to 190th."

It's nice to see BYU and Utah climbing up the academic success ladder, but what's going on at Utah State?

SLCWatch
Salt Lake City, UT

None of which means squat as far as any of the schools atheletic teams go. Just thought we ought to make that clear before everyone starts kicking that poor dog.

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

Woof... Woof....

DKWalser
MESA, AZ

"None of which means squat as far as any of the schools atheletic teams go. Just thought we ought to make that clear before everyone starts kicking that poor dog."

You're correct. Of course, since one of the reasons the (then) PAC 10 gave for not inviting BYU to join was that BYU didn't have the academic chops of the other schools in the conference, it's always fun to see that BYU matches up fairly well on that score.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@sports are great
It's kinda relative because there are other ranking lists that put Utah ahead of BYU (those tend to focus more on research). Each university has its' own strengths.

Jeff29
Draper, UT

@SLCWatch

I'm not sure exactly what your point is regarding athletics and academics, but I'm happy to see someone recognizes that there is very little correlation. Now if only Utah fans would stop claiming academic superiority as a reason for their invitation to the PAC 12...

Lightening Lad
Austin , TX

What it means to an incoming athlete is that one school is respected more than those below it. One degree may have greater value on the job front, a grad school may place greater empathis on a degree from one school over another. The vast majority of college athletes are not going to play professional football making the earning a degree the most important goal and playing football as just a way to pay tuition, books, housing and food. When I played at Arizona St in the late 70's we had a large group pf guys who were able to move up but an even larger group who prepared to move up, putting their degree second. Without a degree and eligability they had nothing for their 4-5 years. Those are the folks managing 7-11's working in fast foods, construction, unless they did go back and finish. BYU has a more competitive academic situation and an strict honor code, both scare away many kids. The Cougars are further limited on who they can recruit based on HS grades and test scores. To think this and other rankings play no role in athletics is a ridiculas comment.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Academic success?

Selectivity is not a measure of academic success.

And neither is graduation rates for that matter. Average gre or lsat scores at end of college would be a much better measure of academic success.

classic example of GIGO

Striker
Omaha, NE

Not surprised to see usu slip. Back when I was searching for grad schools, the school had an acceptance rate of 99%, which means almost anyone who applies gets in. I've yet to hear one person I personally know say their undergrad programs are harder than high school.

The other two big boy schools are really rigorous and they have many nationally ranked programs. usu needs to find a way to change its image of being a farming school sprinkled with a little engineering etc. before it will really take off.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Custom Model Railroads HO Vertical Lift Bridge Single Track Kit"

I am sorry.... this has what to do with what? Universities are about their sporting programs? Huh?

I work from time to time for the 7th ranked school. I graduated with my jd\mba from one of the nations top 10 public schools. Both wonderful places. But after graduation day, it means absolutely nothing. In my job the vast majority of people I work with have advanced degrees - some from some very highly ranked schools - and some from some rather ordinary schools. I can tell you.... impact and contribution have little correlation to what school they went to. Little to none.

You have fantastically motivated bright people from 100 plus ranked schools... and you have impossible to work with types from top 10 schools... and viva-versa. Its what you do with the knowledge learned that drives your income potential. Not some latin recognition.

Frozen Chosen
Savage, MN

But, but, but the PAC 10 picked Utah over BYU because it's academics were so much better.

Yeah right!

Palmetto Bug
Columbia, SC

Just imagine where these schools could be if the ratings didn't place so much emphasis on the 4 and 6-year graduation rates. Maybe with young men going on missions before starting college we'll be able to jump in the rankings.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

slcwatch...I know what you mean, BYU has so many conf. championships, National championships, All americans, Heisman trophy winner, National player of the year, their football team isn't sitting home in December watching tv, on and on and on...It's sick, BYU is just sick how it puts to shame the rest of the state.

And now to add to their athletic prowess, they are ranked massively ahead of everyone else as just a flat out good school to get an education.

SSmith
Salt Lake City, UT

No surprise here. BYU is the best value in the region for education. It ranks higher than Utah in ACT entrance scores and, according to Forbes, ranks higher than Utah as a research institution.

wazzup
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@SLCWatch. I guess if your success in your educational pursuit is based on 'an' athletic team's success, you may be right. I have yet to see, on a resume, a football team mentioned unless that person actually participated on that team vs. being a spectator.

DKWalser
MESA, AZ

"I work from time to time for the 7th ranked school. I graduated with my jd\mba from one of the nations top 10 public schools. Both wonderful places. But after graduation day, it means absolutely nothing. In my job the vast majority of people I work with have advanced degrees - some from some very highly ranked schools - and some from some rather ordinary schools. I can tell you.... impact and contribution have little correlation to what school they went to. Little to none."

That's correct. However, decades after graduation, people still judge professionals by what school they went to. Going to a "ranked" school may not mean a better education, but it often means a better reputation -- which can translate into more and better job opportunities. And, of course, it's not just the quality of the school, but the quality (and reputation) of the program that matters.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Please stop using the word academics when what you mean is the reputation you are buying.

Palmetto, where are you getting your info, or did you just make it up?

Wow, that was awful
Salt Lake City, UT

SLCWatch...You will take great satisfaction as you sit and reminisce with UNLV graduates from the Jerry Tarkanian era, I am sure they are proud Alumni also...

LindonMan
Lindon, UT

Like I always say, Utah State is a joke!

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