Published: Tuesday, Sept. 10 2013 8:35 p.m. MDT
Is 62, 121, or 190 better?
"BYU and the University of Utah enjoyed modest gains, while Utah State
University experienced a significant slip in the 2014 rankings of the best
colleges in America released Tuesday U.S. News & World Report.Within the National Universities category BYU ranked 62nd and Utah checked in
at 121st — up six and four spots, respectively, from last year.
Conversely, Utah State slid 16 places to 190th."It's nice
to see BYU and Utah climbing up the academic success ladder, but what's
going on at Utah State?
None of which means squat as far as any of the schools atheletic teams go. Just
thought we ought to make that clear before everyone starts kicking that poor
"None of which means squat as far as any of the schools atheletic teams go.
Just thought we ought to make that clear before everyone starts kicking that
poor dog."You're correct. Of course, since one of the
reasons the (then) PAC 10 gave for not inviting BYU to join was that BYU
didn't have the academic chops of the other schools in the conference,
it's always fun to see that BYU matches up fairly well on that score.
@sports are greatIt's kinda relative because there are other ranking
lists that put Utah ahead of BYU (those tend to focus more on research). Each
university has its' own strengths.
@SLCWatchI'm not sure exactly what your point is regarding
athletics and academics, but I'm happy to see someone recognizes that there
is very little correlation. Now if only Utah fans would stop claiming academic
superiority as a reason for their invitation to the PAC 12...
What it means to an incoming athlete is that one school is respected more than
those below it. One degree may have greater value on the job front, a grad
school may place greater empathis on a degree from one school over another. The
vast majority of college athletes are not going to play professional football
making the earning a degree the most important goal and playing football as just
a way to pay tuition, books, housing and food. When I played at Arizona St in
the late 70's we had a large group pf guys who were able to move up but an
even larger group who prepared to move up, putting their degree second. Without
a degree and eligability they had nothing for their 4-5 years. Those are the
folks managing 7-11's working in fast foods, construction, unless they did
go back and finish. BYU has a more competitive academic situation and an strict
honor code, both scare away many kids. The Cougars are further limited on who
they can recruit based on HS grades and test scores. To think this and other
rankings play no role in athletics is a ridiculas comment.
Academic success?Selectivity is not a measure of academic success.
And neither is graduation rates for that matter. Average gre or lsat
scores at end of college would be a much better measure of academic success.classic example of GIGO
Not surprised to see usu slip. Back when I was searching for grad schools, the
school had an acceptance rate of 99%, which means almost anyone who applies gets
in. I've yet to hear one person I personally know say their undergrad
programs are harder than high school. The other two big boy schools
are really rigorous and they have many nationally ranked programs. usu needs to
find a way to change its image of being a farming school sprinkled with a little
engineering etc. before it will really take off.
"Custom Model Railroads HO Vertical Lift Bridge Single Track Kit"I am sorry.... this has what to do with what? Universities are about
their sporting programs? Huh?I work from time to time for the 7th
ranked school. I graduated with my jd\mba from one of the nations top 10 public
schools. Both wonderful places. But after graduation day, it means absolutely
nothing. In my job the vast majority of people I work with have advanced
degrees - some from some very highly ranked schools - and some from some rather
ordinary schools. I can tell you.... impact and contribution have little
correlation to what school they went to. Little to none.You have
fantastically motivated bright people from 100 plus ranked schools... and you
have impossible to work with types from top 10 schools... and viva-versa. Its
what you do with the knowledge learned that drives your income potential. Not
some latin recognition.
But, but, but the PAC 10 picked Utah over BYU because it's academics were
so much better.Yeah right!
Just imagine where these schools could be if the ratings didn't place so
much emphasis on the 4 and 6-year graduation rates. Maybe with young men going
on missions before starting college we'll be able to jump in the rankings.
slcwatch...I know what you mean, BYU has so many conf. championships, National
championships, All americans, Heisman trophy winner, National player of the
year, their football team isn't sitting home in December watching tv, on
and on and on...It's sick, BYU is just sick how it puts to shame the rest
of the state. And now to add to their athletic prowess, they are
ranked massively ahead of everyone else as just a flat out good school to get an
No surprise here. BYU is the best value in the region for education. It ranks
higher than Utah in ACT entrance scores and, according to Forbes, ranks higher
than Utah as a research institution.
@SLCWatch. I guess if your success in your educational pursuit is based on
'an' athletic team's success, you may be right. I have yet to
see, on a resume, a football team mentioned unless that person actually
participated on that team vs. being a spectator.
"I work from time to time for the 7th ranked school. I graduated with my
jd\mba from one of the nations top 10 public schools. Both wonderful places. But
after graduation day, it means absolutely nothing. In my job the vast majority
of people I work with have advanced degrees - some from some very highly ranked
schools - and some from some rather ordinary schools. I can tell you.... impact
and contribution have little correlation to what school they went to. Little to
none."That's correct. However, decades after graduation,
people still judge professionals by what school they went to. Going to a
"ranked" school may not mean a better education, but it often means a
better reputation -- which can translate into more and better job opportunities.
And, of course, it's not just the quality of the school, but the quality
(and reputation) of the program that matters.
Please stop using the word academics when what you mean is the reputation you
are buying. Palmetto, where are you getting your info, or did you
just make it up?
SLCWatch...You will take great satisfaction as you sit and reminisce with UNLV
graduates from the Jerry Tarkanian era, I am sure they are proud Alumni also...
Like I always say, Utah State is a joke!
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