@2ferNo that isn't what he was saying or infering, in fact here
is his exact quote."You either have it or you don't. Second
year in college, if your trying to "learn" to throw the football
you're in trouble."He is saying Hill is all he will ever
be, that he either "has it or doesn't have it" and there is no room
or chance to improve. It was an absolutely thoughtless and ridiculous statement.
If players "are what they are" and cannot improve then why even
practice? Why work out? Why do anything at all? Just ridiculousness from a utah
"fan" who obviously was just looking to say something negative. Now he
just looks ridiculous.
I'll take 31-30 BYU. Texas has the best athletes BYU will see this season
but, Utah's offense looks better than that of Texas.-----------True. But it's also true that Texas had the worst
defensive coordinator BYU will face this year.-----------He's definitely the worst with good talent.
@Just the FAXTexas had the same DC coordinator last season and
NOBODY even came close to matching BYU's 550 yards rushing versus Texas.---------------True but OU had 340 rushing yards last year
and few others had 200+ yards against Texas.I know you don't
like stats, so close your eyes because you won't like this one:Rushing defense rankings 2012:#1 BYU 84 rushing yards per game#13 Utah State 111#22 Utah 129#43 Virgina 144#101 Idaho
198.7#102 Texas 198.8
Just the FAXOlympus Cove, UtahUteologyDespite your
always selective and usually meaningless stats, bottom line:--------------Selective stats like 52 yard pass on the last play
of the game in a prevent defense shows that Hill can throw?No the
bottom line is Hill has had one good passing game against USU and BYU only
manged to score 6 points in that game.He's has a great running
ability but so far today he hasn't proven diddly with his arm. So the
article is correct Hill needs to work on becoming a complete QB.Can
he? No idea, because he hasn't shown it so far.
UteologyDespite your always selective and usually meaningless stats,
bottom line:Hill lead BYU to a dominating win over storied, 15th
ranked Texas, and in the process was the leading rusher in an offense that
generated significantly more rushing yardage than the Longhorns had given up to
any opponent in their more than 1,200 games.Texas had the same DC
coordinator last season and NOBODY even came close to matching BYU's 550
yards rushing versus Texas.Get over your jealousy!
Hill will never have an arm like McMahon, Young or Detmer, but his completion
percentage will improve. I hope U are right and teams load the box
with 8, because that by itself will improve Hill's percentage.Consider against Virginia he was throwing a ball that weighed 2+ pounds
heavier than a regular football.Consider against Texas, they ran a
nickel package most of the game, which is inherently hard to throw against.All of the comments by U about what a poor QB he is will be even more
embarrassing when U lose. Nothing worse than getting beat by a poor QB.
TatorsHyrum, UTWhen Texas was forced to change their defense
to try to account for the way BYU was running the ball, Hill actually threw the
ball noticeably better in the second half of the game. -------------Better then the first half yes, but 1st half was
horrendous and 2nd have abysmal:1st Half: 4/17 62 YDS 0 INT 1 TD2nd Half: 5/9 67 YDS 0 INT 0 TD2nd Half Details:3rd
and 3 at BYU 28 Hill pass complete 31 yards (half of his 2nd half pass yards)1st and 10 at TEX 41 Hill pass complete for 8 yards1st and 10 at TEX 26
Hill pass incomplete2nd and 15 at TEX 31 Hill pass complete for 5 yards1st and 10 at BYU 46 Hill pass complete for 12 2nd and 8 at TEX 18
Hill pass incomplete 3rd and 8 at TEX 18 Hill pass incomplete1st and 10 at TEX 26 Hill pass complete for 11 yards3rd and 12 at
BYU 44Taysom Hill pass incompleteCan he improve? Well he's
#122 (of 123) rated QB in the nation. All he can do is go up.
WON84PLANO, TXBYU 31 uties 10Mark it down.------I'll take 31-30 BYU. Texas has the best athletes
BYU will see this season but, Utah's offense looks better than that of
Texas.-----------True. But it's also true that
Texas had the worst defensive coordinator BYU will face this year.
@poymanThe stuff he has, you can't teach, the stuff he needs
can be acquired... We have already seen him deliver (i.e a huge gainer against
Boise State towards the end of the game last year, the 52 yarder to Apo at the
end of the Virginia game, the strike he threw to Friel against WSU last year,
the domination he showed through the air against Hawaii, etc.)...---------What do you mean "domination he showed against
Hawaii, etc."?@Boise 4/10 42 YDS 0 TD 0 INT 74 RATHawaii
12/21 123 YDS 0 TD 2 TD 1 INT 122 RATUSU 24/36 235 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 125
RAT@Virgina 13/40 175 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 72 RATTexas 9/26 129 YDS
0 TD 1 INT 68 RATCareer 62/133 (46%) 759 YDS 5 TD 4 INT 91 RATThe 52 yard pass to Apo was the last play of the game with no pass rush
and the corners 30 yards off the receivers.Go compare the true
freshman Travis Wilson's first 4.25 games, remember BYU fans labeled him
mediocre while comparing Hill to Keeton.
I believe Hill will improve at passing as the season progresses. Don't know
how well that will translate to the rivalry game.Regardless, it will
all be settled on 9/21. If BYU wins they will get the monkey off their backs
so-to-speak. If the utes win then they will have renewed the yearly
subscription many ute fans have to their self esteem and, in one game, will have
made the season a success in the eyes of the likes of Chris B.
@stringer bellNor is two games a "trend". You obviously know
little to nothing about football or athletics. Yes guys can always improve and
there is no indication Hill doesn't "have it" or needs to learn how
to throw, he simply needs to keep working on improving. MacNasty made an
excellent comparison with Steve Young, who couldn't throw his first year he
started for BYU then the following year set an ncaa record for completion
percentage.And so what if you said anything about utah, I did, and
by doing so just further made your "point" look foolish. If teams can
improve that means the players on the team improved. If they "are what they
are" by the time they reach college then utah will never be more than a
losing team at the pit of its conference because that is what utah is, a losing
team in the pit of its conference. But of course you'll hypocritically make
exceptions for utah and utah "players" because you are a utah
"fan".So are utah coaches feeding us a line when they claim
wilson "improved his throwing" this year? He is what he is isn't
"I made no comparison to nor mentioned Utah, but since playing Utah is your
Super Bowl and you are obsessed with them I understand that you just can't
resist."Yes, right, since it's BYU fans just waiting for
articles on Utah to post so they can comment...You get lost?
Aren't you on a BYU board?
@ DuckhunterI believe the point SB is trying to make is that Taysom
has been playing QB and working on his skills for a LONG time to become what he
is today. It's not likely that Hill can reinvent himself or fix all of his
throwing issues in only seven practices...
"If he is so awful why was he so heavily recruited coming out of high
school?"Because he is very athletic.
Blaine Fowler analyzed Taysom's throwing in TrueBlue and had some good
insight. He pointed out that Taysom has already made some accurate and
difficult completions. Usually when Taysom is inaccurate, he is throwing to far
back, but if he stands up straight he corrects the problem--according to
Blaine.I do believe he will do better and better each game, but he
is not going to altogether abandon his read option run. It's too much fun
for him. Hopefully, he can be smart about it and not pull a Nelson, getting
constantly injured and not being able to perform to his full ability.@MacNasty I was about to correct you in saying that Steve Sarkisian holds the
accuracy record at BYU (3rd in NCAA), but then I re-read and realized you said
in the NFL.
I'm sure that anyone can improve on just about anything given the time and
experience. Therefore, I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that
Taysom will improve over time. Whether that makes him a true "dual
threat" will depend on the degree to which he improves. Currently, he
should face a lot of 8 in the box defenses until he can prove that he can throw
will regular accuracy.
When Texas was forced to change their defense to try to account for the way BYU
was running the ball, Hill actually threw the ball noticeably better in the
second half of the game. Christopher B:Since you are once
again having a hard time deciphering what is being said, I'll try to
clarify it for you. They are saying that no matter how you want to rate Hill as
a quarterback, he will be good enough to beat Utah on September 21st...
regardless of which combination of passing and running he chooses to use. All
you have to do is watch and admire exactly how he does it. And yes,
he will definitely do it. It's a done deal.
In my opinion, Taysom's 2013/2014 season will be very short if he continues
to run the QB draw as often as he did against Texas. I was terribly
disappointed with the fact that BYU really doesn't have much to offer
beyond the QB draw. At least they showed that they cannot sustain a series
without it. I love BYU football, but I have to say that I'm very worried
about the remaining 10 games if the QB draw is the primary play. What happened
to all the great running backs? What happened to all the great receivers? What
happened to the tight ends? What happened to the greater numbers of play
options? I am first to congratulate BYU on a great win, but we just have to get
better at keeping the QB healthy and strong.Go Cougars!
Re: DuckhunterAt the big-time college football level you don't
"learn to throw" while in your second year. That's something you
either have or you don't and he doesn't. Reading defenses,
situational awareness, etc., those are the types of things you and work on and
with good coaching hopefully improve. Being able to pass the ball more than
five yards accurately- I don't think so.I made no comparison to
nor mentioned Utah, but since playing Utah is your Super Bowl and you are
obsessed with them I understand that you just can't resist. I do love it
when you refer to Utah as "Bowles" when they have missed only one bowl
in the past 10 years. Not quite enough for a trend. Utah is clearly improving
this year but next year is when it's going to start really coming
together.Utah can lose to BYU next week and it has no effect on them
going to the Rose Bowl. Not bad, huh?You'd better start
worrying about USU. Watch their QB. He can throw and he's not bad at
So true, G-man! So far, Taysom hasn't really been able to "hurt" a
defense with his arm. Sometime soon, that will determine the outcome of a couple
of otherwise winnable games.BTW G-man, you're one of the best
ever, in my book, but continuing to misspell "pore" can be distracting
for those who love your content but also care about the language...:-)Sort of like Talo's using the plural for an "offensive
linemen..."Now watch the flamers rise up in righteous
@stringer bellLike all utah "fans" I see you are taking the
position that no one, unless of course they play for utah, can ever improve.
They don't work at it, they don't practice, they don't focus,
they don't try, they simply are what they are with no hope of ever being
any more than they currently are.And of course since individuals
cannot improve that must mean teams cannot improve as they are made up of a
collection of individuals. So that means utah will always be a losing and
bowless pac12 team because they "either have it or they don't" and
all we have seen from them so far is that they "don't" isn't
Not every heavily recruited athlete pans out like recruiters think they will.
How about Jake Heaps. Tommy Grady. He is a great athlete who may or may not
become good enough to pass consistently. He seems to be unafraid of his injured
knee which is a good sign. Without a decent passing game it will be an up and
"...Hill has been working hard on improving his ability to throw the
football."You either have it or you don't. Second year in
college, if your trying to "learn" to throw the football you're in
trouble.What would you have if Luke Staley played quarterback?
"TilkaPORTLAND, ORHe has had 15 years or so to work
on his passing and he is going to fix it in two weeks? Is it just me that sees
his mechanics are similar to Tebow?"If he is so awful why was he
so heavily recruited coming out of high school?
He has had 15 years or so to work on his passing and he is going to fix it in
two weeks? Is it just me that sees his mechanics are similar to Tebow?
BYU showed a lot of promise on Saturday (especially the O-line, special teams,
and the defense), but Hill's passing certainly needs to improve. He showed
some sparks of greatness, but had way too many errant passes. I'm sure
that's something they'll be working on quite a bit in preparation for
their next game. Nevertheless, he showed a good head on his shoulders with his
decision-making abilities throughout the game, minus the passing game.That said, should be an exciting rivalry game next week. I'm curious to
see how the Utes do against Oregon State, though it appears that the Beavers
aren't all that great a team, having lost to FCS Eastern Washington.
To all the haters out there, Florida won a National Championship and a Heisman
Trophy with a quarterback who played much like Taysom Hill.Taysom
may never be a Jim McMahon, but he hit a few passes versus Texas that clearly
showed he can throw the ball well enough to be an effect passer; he simply needs
to improve his consistency.
BYU 31 uties 10Mark it down.------I'll
take 31-30 BYU. Texas has the best athletes BYU will see this season but,
Utah's offense looks better than that of Texas.
Methinks Hill is another Riley Nelson in the making. Prove me wrong Mr. Anae!
What is he lacking?Are you saying that being the dead last passer
rating QB in the nation is a bad thing?
I remember Steve Young, you know the guy who holds the NFL's all time
accuracy record for quarterbacks, when he started as quarterback for BYU. His
passing was miserable at first. It seems that he made at least 3x as many
interceptions as touchdowns and his completion percentage was below 50%.Young worked hard on his passing and became a great passer. He was a
duel threat.Just like Steve Young, Hill will improve his passing
Taysom is a mere sophomore! A little work on timing and his passing touch will
not be an issue. Add tight ends in the mix(bigger targets) and things improve
fast. We watched db's who should have had the angle on Taysom but he ran
right past them out of their grasp. Utah won't let that happen as much as
UT did but he will still find some daylight. Taysom is just too fast.
Honestly looking at this game, I don't think trying to make Hill a passer
is a good thing, let him do what he does and prepare for next year in that Idaho
kid in Magum.
The key is the O-line... If he has the time he will make the Defense pay...Right now, he trusts his legs more than his arm, but with his athletic
ability, and the skill set he has, he will learn to trust his arm and he will
learn to take more high percentage risks through the air... Hill can
throw the ball hard and far (we've seen that), now he just has to improve
his touch passing skills and hitting his targets with better accuracy and that
is something that will come with repetition and experience... The stuff he has,
you can't teach, the stuff he needs can be acquired... We have already seen
him deliver (i.e a huge gainer against Boise State towards the end of the game
last year, the 52 yarder to Apo at the end of the Virginia game, the strike he
threw to Friel against WSU last year, the domination he showed through the air
against Hawaii, etc.)...Hill just needs a little target practice and
the uties will give him plenty as they will probably "key" on the
run.BYU 31 uties 10Mark it down.
I believe Taysom Hill will be smart enough to figure it out in time for the next
game. Counting the minutes. Go Cougars!!!!
Yes. Next question?
Taysom Hill is Jake Locker in a BYU uniform. He will probably improve as a
passer, but he will probably never be the kind of passer that sits in the pocket
and picks apart a defense with his arm. He is an option QB who will go through
his progressions but will take off if the defense gives him any daylight, like
Texas did over and over again. Future opponents will study the Texas film and be
sure to not make the same mistake so Taysom is going to have to figure out how
to get his receivers and tight ends more involved. He has the best wide receiver
ever to wear a BYU uniform and another talented receiver that is being badly
under-utilized. And the tight ends have all but disappeared from the offense.