Published: Wednesday, Sept. 11 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
The dictionary tells us that a "patriot" is "a person who vigorously
supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or
detractors."So now the question we should ask is under what
conditions should a patriot vigorously support his country. Should he jump when
the President tells him to jump or should HE tell the President the conditions
where HE has authorized the President to act?In my mind, a patriot
stands for the Constitution and requires all government workers to abide by the
terms of that Constitution. He supports all lawful taxes and he supports a call
to arms when those taxes are levied to pay for the authorized duties allowed
Congress and when that call to arms is the result of a war declared by Congress.
Under those conditions, a patriot is duty bound to support his country.No patriot needs to pay his money or his blood to defend a
President's "red line" in the sand. The President would be
unpatriotic if he demanded sacrifice that is not explicitly authorized by the
Do you hear that uber-cons?That's right - you do NOT hold the
monopoly on patriotism.
Did he say this on the buildup to the Iraq war?
Patriotism is an intangible quality that is not easily measured. John Adams and
Thomas Jefferson had many sharp differences of opinion that strained their
relationship over the years. But the devotion of both to country and duty were
above reproach.Let that be a standard that the left and the right
can look to today as a sterling example for our times. We can disagree about
issues but still respect each other as Americans who in our own peculiar ways
want what we think is best for our country.
"No patriot needs to pay his money or his blood to defend a President's
"red line" in the sand." - Mike Richards, 2013No, but a
true patriot needs to pay with his blood to depose Saddam Hussein and seach for
WMDs. I saw plenty of bloodshed when I was serving in Baghdad - something the
regular liberal haters didn't seem to have time for. It used
to be "support war or you're an enemy of the state." Don't
believe me? Read these fine little gems:"Democrat leaders never
miss an opportunity to put politics before our nation's security" - RNC
chairman Ken Mehlman, 2006"These are people that don't want
to protect the American people... [T]hey will do anything, spend all the time
and resources they can, to avoid confronting evil." - Tom DeLay, 2002"Terrorists are going to throw everything they can between now and
the election to try and elect Kerry" - Orrin Hatch, 2004"Al
Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly
putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives
of liberals." - Karl Rove, 2005I could go on and on, but
I'm limited to 200 words.
Professor Davis makes an excellent point, as does Craig Clark. While an
individual's views on what is or isn't patriotic are subjective, and
colored by that individual's paradigm, "patriotism" in its most
literal sense -- a love of one's country that motivates one to act in a
manner that one believes is in the best interest of their country (not the
"dictionary" definition, but a pretty accurate description of
"patriotism", I think) -- is completely objective and transcends
ideologies. The operative words here are "LOVE of country" and
"MOTIVATION to act". Of course, the particular actions taken would be
determined by the individual's political, philosophical, economic, and
religious views; but the motivating love of country that compelled the
individual to act is ideologically neutral, and is at the heart of
patriotism.It is easy, sometimes, to lose sight of the fact that
that person with the absolute opposite point of view most likely loves our
country every bit as much as I do. A little less cynicism would probably go a
long way towards recognizing the patriotism in others with contrasting points of
For the record -- This patriotic Liberal served in this country's
Military for 8 years, making $480 a month.Money was NOT a factor.Love of my Country was.[Just like serving my LDS mission, Money was NOT a factor - quite the contrary, Love of my God and serving
other people was.]Something the; do it for the money - He who dies with the most gold wins - capitalist Republicans still just
can't quite figure out.
Once again we get Mike Richards' definition of words. At least this time he
gave us the dictionary definition first, so that we can see how far beyond the
standard definition his own private world of meaning stretches.Richard Davis nailed it again, of course.
Not true. Only republicans love this country. At least that's what
we're supposed to believe.
"You're either with us or against us."- George W Bush
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahThe dictionary tells us that a
"patriot" is "a person who vigorously supports their country and is
prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors."In my mind,
a patriot stands for the Constitution and requires all government workers to
abide by the terms of that Constitution. He supports all lawful taxes and he
supports a call to arms when those taxes are levied to pay for the authorized
duties allowed Congress and when that call to arms is the result of a war
declared by Congress. Under those conditions, a patriot is duty bound to support
his country.No patriot needs to pay his money or his blood to defend
a President's "red line" in the sand. The President would be
unpatriotic if he demanded sacrifice that is not explicitly authorized by the
Constitution.6:54 a.m. Sept. 11, 2013======== So
the Mike -- Tell us, why you STILL support the un-official, un-declared,
and un-funded BUSH wars?You probably should have just stuck with the
definition of "Patriot" from the dictionary.
I am Mormon but I can admit that equating the Vietnam protesters to King Men was
wrong then just as it is now. I wish I could say that we've learned from
this. Yet, how often do we still hear in church political views mixed with
scripture? History keeps repeating itself. Utahns using church talks
to bash Vietnam protesters and compare them to King Men in the Book of Mormon.
Today, we are fed through many on this board that one cannot be a good Mormon
and vote Democrat. Or that taxation is somehow sacrilege. Or that things such as
health care and publican education are forms of Socialism that will lead us down
the path of Communism. It's also so sad to see words taken out of context
by a very conservative leaning prophet, highly tainted by his own views and
experiences, to be considered as revelation for church members. If
we do not learn from history then we are doomed to repeat it. The
history that keeps repeating? Utahns living in their own lil world. Their own
lil politically ignorant world which is reinforced with incorrect usage of
scriptures and religious authority.
Excellent column. Patriotism can and should, at times, include dissent from
As a soldier, I remember a cadence we'd sing on long marches;"Ours is not to wonder why, Ours is just to do or die."======= Mike, I'm curious -- Are you saying that
soldiers are not Patriots if they follow orders, or that they can
only "Patriotic" when they are following YOUR orders?Better
re-read the last paragraph of this article my friend.Your Brother in
the Gospel, and America.~Peace out.
Those who blame Bush or Obama for the lack of patriotism have missed the point
of the editorial. That editorial is about the citizen, not about the
"leader". If it were about the "leader", we would have to
measure Obama against his actions. He is the President and has been the
President for five years. He is fully responsible for all military activity.
If he wanted us out of any war, he could have used his authority as commander in
chief to take us out of that war. He has not done that.A patriot
does not need the approval of the President nor does he need the approval of
other citizens. All he needs is to understand his duty as a citizen. That duty
is found in the Contistution. He has authorized the federal government to
perform certain duties. As a citizen, he is duty bound to fund those duties and
to pledge his services for the citizen army if called to serve.It's very simple. A patriot does his duty without complaint and without
excuse. He doesn't blame others. He serves if called. He pays for
authorized duties. He doesn't complain about his citzenship
Perhaps a better question is "who is NOT a patriot" of the United
States?1. Someone who hates and rejects the constitution2.
Someone who chooses Communism (or Progressive-ism) over Capitalism and works to
spread it3. Someone who would not fight to defend the United States under
any circumstanceThese are the three Core attributes that define a
patriot. You can be a conservative, liberal or independent...doesn't really
matter. All three can love and support the constitution, understand the evils of
Communism and recognize Communism as the arch enemy of everything we stand for,
and be willing to fight for America when the cause is a just one. I happen to
feel that many of those who refused to fight in VietNam were still patriots
because this war was a mistake. Now I can think of many in congress
- in the media - in Hollywood who do NOT qualify as a patriot of the United
States. I would actually see them as a clear and present danger to the United
States and everything we have built with this republic.
When did 11 September become "Patriot" day? I remember well what
happened 12 years ago today. Before then It was my Folks wedding anniversary
from 1945. Being a romantic it was the day I proposed to my now Former wife in
1981. I didn't feel really Patriotic that day, rather it was, okay, when
are they going to hit Los Angeles? If I understand correctly Al Queda was
planning a followup strike on the First Interstate Bank Building in Downtown via
an Airliner and other places on the West Coast. Thank You, NSA for uncovering
that plot and the silent Rough men who broke up the play.
"Patriot" much of what you say is true but.... you are completely wrong
on point one... because your stance depends on people adhering to your
interpretation of the constitution. It is entirely possible for one to have an
alternative understanding of the constitution.... and still be a patriot. The problem I have with those who went to Canada, rather than jail and
fighting the system is that they by their actions forced someone else to pay
their price. They took the cowards way out. They fled, ran away from
responsibility. If they truly thought the war unjust, they should have stayed
and fought for that cause, not hide to the North.Those who died in
the fight for civil rights, they are patriots. Those who spent time in jail to
fight for their rights, those are patriots. A patriot is one who stands for
what they believe in, regardless of what that is, rather than turning that
responsibility to someone else... to fight their fight for them.
@patriotWhere in the Constitution does it provide for Capitalism?
Capitalism like any other economic philosophy when taken to an extreme has its
flaws as do Communism, Socialism, Mercantilism et all. For any good
economic philosophy to work, as with a system of government, depends entirely
on the hearts and morals of those participating.
@mike Richards It funny you would accuse others of missing the point
by focusing on a president when your comment is the first one and reference
"the red line." Every comment about a president following your post was
in response to your reference to Obama, but nice try at side stepping an actual
response to their comments.
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