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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 10 2013 8:00 a.m. MDT

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redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

When 1% own 80% of the wealth,
When CEOs make $60,000 an HOUR,
When the workers who actually DO their work and produce their products make $7.25 or LESS,
When Wallstreet and Banks pay no taxes, and yet get $Trillions in Government handouts and bailouts,
When Trickle Down economics isn't trickling,
When Corporations send more U.S. GDP to Communists in China than America,

Compassion means -
Because I have been given much I too must give.
The more I have, the more I can give.

But - When their response is "Let them eat cake",
it's time for another Bastille Day.

Mark l
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

The wealthy people I know are not driving luxury cars, or buying fancy house, or multiple expensive toys. Truly wealthy people live within their means, and understand the value of thrift. The wealthy I know live simple lives and have the same concerns as anyone.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Big difference between the wealthy small business owners here in Utah who actually produce something and are liable for their damages and the wealthy corporate thieves in LA or Wall Street bankers in New York who produce nothing, are never held accountable, and pass the costs of their poor decisions onto you and me.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Warren Buffett - On How Much to Give to Charity

Ninety-nine percent of what I have will go back to society through philanthropy, because I’ve been treated extraordinarily well by society. I’ve worked in an economy that rewards someone who saves lives on the battlefield with a medal, rewards great teachers with a thank-you note, but rewards those who can make money in securities with sums reaching into the billions.
I agree with Andrew Carnegie: Huge fortunes that flow in large part from society should in large part be returned to society.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

If someone thinks they deserve a higher wage, go get it.

If you truly are as valuable as you think you are, someone will pay you for it.

If not, make yourself more valuable.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Chris
I don't think anyone here said they were upset they weren't wealthy. But I never understand guys like you who stand up for the $30 million a year CEO. They have plenty of money, they'll stand up for themselves if they need to.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

We all like to beat up on the wealthy, but we sure like to have them around. Without any wealthy people... America would be just another Haiti, Venezuela, or North Korea.

Without any wealthy people... where would YOU get your next job? The Government? A poor guy? A guy at pioneer park?

I know some people in the fund raising business (for politicians, the UofU, etc) and they still seem to like to go to their wealthy donors when they need something. So evidently they still have some compassion.

I don't know if all the conclusions in this article are true. I know of a lot of generous and compassionate people who are also wealthy.

IF the question is... are all wealthy people compassionate? Then obviously the answer is "no". But that would be the same answer for people in general.

I'm sure being poor would tend to compel you to be more compassionate... but then you don't have the resources to help others. An interesting study would be to follow some people who were POOR and compassionate, and after they became wealthy... check to see if they are still compassionate. Or if wealth ruined them.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Open Minded Mormon" I guess the wealthy have to work harder. Currently the top 1% only own 39% of the wealth, according to CNBC.

The average salary for the large companies where the CEO is making $60,000/hr is actually much higher than minimum wage. For example, the oil companies in North Dakota are paying their workers $90,000/yr to drill for oil. GE averages $55,000/yr for young professionals. The McDonalds CEO doesn't make 1/10 the amount you think he does. What company has a CEO making $60,000/hr while the majority of its workers make minimum wage?

Do you know more about economics than most economists? See "Bush Tax Cuts Increased Tax Base, Study Says" NY Sun, "John F. Kennedy on taxes" WND, and "The Reagan Tax Cuts Lessons for Tax Reform April 1996" from the Joint Economic Committee.

Those are nice myths you believe in, but you should realize that they are just myths and lies, like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and a Balanced budget anytime since 1959.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Why does it matter how much someone else makes? Why does it matter how much that person gives to charity? Whose business is it, yours, mine, or that person's?

Envy is a form of coveting. We were told not to covet.

If someone has worked hard, we should congratulate him for his business success. If he can get people to work for him, and the effort of those people increases his wealth, we should admire his leadership ability. If he has developed a product that increases his wealth, we should admire his inventiveness. If he chooses to pass his wealth to his children, why should we care? It's his money, not ours. No honest person would take the wealth of another. No honest person would accept money from the government if the government used a "transfer of wealth" program to get that money.

Charity is between the person and the Lord. It has nothing to do with anyone else.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Remember that parable about the rich man and Lazarus?
Conservative rewrite: "Lazarus, get up off your rear end and get to work. If you're not valuable, make yourself valuable. You have only yourself to blame.That rich guy in there worked hard for his wealth. Why are you just sitting there consumed with envy? It's your own fault you're such a poor, diseased wretch...." etc., ad nauseam

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

It doesn't matter how much one gives to be charity.

The Pharisees gave lots and lots of money to charity.
The gave the MOST in terms of money.

But -- As the Savior points out, the Widow's mite was the most.
She gave something that would have direct influence on her standard of living.

Any Latter-Day who defends the rich and their "hard earned riches" at the expense of trodding down the poor, sick and the needy should be ashamed of yourselves and His name who've covenanted to take upon yourselves!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded Mormon,
Nice echoing the "hate the rich, kill them all" rhetoric of the past in calling for "another Bastille Day".

You know "Bastille Day" celebrates don't you?

It's to commemorate the 1790 Fête de la Fédération. It is a symbol of the uprising that lead to the constitutional monarchy which preceded the First Republic during the French Revolution.

We already live in a Constitutional Republic. So what are you going to overthrow in your new Fête de la Fédération?

The irony and inconsistency that bugs me about your call for a Revolution is... If a TeaParty person had said anything like this... you would be going CRAZZZZY. You always blame THEM for wanting to start a Civil War/Revolution (and yet I've never heard a TeaParty person call for a new Bastille Day)... Yet here YOU are calling for it!

Seems like the left likes to point the finger at TeaParty people for something they haven't done... and then the LEFT does exactly what they were mocking the TeaParty for (even though they never did it) and think it's great to call for Civil War!

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

The definition of wealthy is someone who makes more them I do. Both greed and envy are deadly sins.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Noodlekaboodle" I don't understand guys like you can complain about the salary of CEO's then turn around and listen to politicians with more money, or go to the movies and watch actors with more money than the CEOs, or go to a sports game where the star players make more than most CEOs. You act like making a lot of money is bad, but only for business men that employ people. When a politician does nothing but engage in insider tradeing to become wealthy, you don't care. You don't care about the millions the actors and athletes get.

It is ironic that you and your ilk despise the very people that create jobs and employ a lot of the US, while ignoring people that produce nothing and are little more than puppets.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Why do many of the super wealthy want to destroy our social safety nets? Such are no threat to them. For example the Koch Brothers are bent on destroying social security and medicare. Why? Do they simply have contempt for those less well off, and deem them worthy of death? I don't get this mentality.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

I also remember an experiment where the "honor system" was used to test whether employees would pay for donuts. The study found that the "honor system" was least effective at upper management levels ie. they took more food and paid less than lower level employees.

It isn't abount envy or coveting. I count myself very blessed--and don't need more "stuff" but I believe our society, economy and Country is stronger when the majority of people are thriving and contributing, not just the .1% or the .01% The middle class is struggling. Inequality is increasing.

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

Any latter day Saint who defends those who blame others at the expense of personal responsibility and accountability should be ashamed of themselves.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

Conservative zombies is the only explanation I can come up with for the wrote memory spewing of right wing talking points that defy the very religion they profess to observe.

Riches are merely having more than those around you. No matter how high the standard of living increases for the average person there are always those that just want to have more and more. Greed is addictive and causes people to take more and more and share less and less of those profits with the workers.

I was at the Dr the other day, the nurse had no medical coverage or paid sick time and was scared of getting the flu. My Dr as I found in public records has a huge 10,0000 sq foot house in the nicest area around. I'd switch Dr's but in our current system of medical insurance I can't. The system works for those in charge of it.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Why are we so obsessed with the Wealthy? They are just other people. They aren't hurting us... so why are we always attacking THEM?

I don't get it.

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