Do you really think that this is about the use of chemical weapons? Is it more about Iran and the influence Iran has on Syria and Israel's
reaction to it.Israel seems to be happy that we are going to bomb
Syria. They would also like us to bomb Iran.Personally I am tired
of fighting other countries battles and being the worlds policeman on borrowed
money.Have you heard anyone from the "Mossad" giving their
opinion who unleased the chemical weapons?
BYU sports..this has nothing to do with influence in Russia, but everything to
do with Russia's self interests, which the discussion with Obama probably
highlighted. Russia has serious radical Islamist problems in the region and the
last thing they need is a radical Islamist Syrian government or the radical
groups getting their hands on chemical weapons. Assad needs Russian support to
stay in power more than he need the chemical weapons, so the deal is win win for
them. 2bits is right though this needs to be a well constructed
process because it will be long and difficult but well worth the effort.
I am not buying this whole Obama/Putin hatched a plan bit. This is more like
Russia decided to do something and now others are trying to take credit for
doing nothing as if that was the plan.... If the USA had any influence at all
with Russia, Snowden would be back in the states. If our influence with Russia
is so weak that we cannot arrange a deal to bring Snowden back to the states.
Working out a deal to navigate peaceful resolutions in middle eastern countries
is way out of our league....
I think the conservatives are getting played like a violin. Obama acts like a
war monger and conservatives become doves just to oppose him. Otherwise if Obama
was acting like his base wants him to they would be calling him a weak chicken.
Who will have the last laugh but Obama.
Russia already backing out. Well at least there is now a reason to listen
Open Minded Mormon,If you wouldn't just automatically spin into
defend Obama/ blame Bush mode... it would help.I don't see
people saying what Bush did was good. If anything, their saying there was more
reason in Iraq back then than there is in Syria today. But if you could keep
from getting so defensive and resist the temptation to continue the Bush Bashing
years after the fact... we may be able to have a discussion on THIS topic.Some people are critical of the Obama decision to involve America in
Syria's civil war. I would think YOU would be among them! I mean if all
the moaning and groaning about America not being the world's police made
sense back then... you would think it would make sense still today!But just knee-jerk defending Obama (when you still blame Bush for making the
same decision) just makes no logical sense to me. And no... I
don't automatically think everything Bush did was fine.
@ElcapitanIvins, UTStay out of the middle east and let the
Biblical prophecies take place as they must and will.The heathen nations
north of Palestine (GOG) are becoming more and more apparent. Read Exekiel 37
& 38, Joel 3, Zechariah 12 and 13 for a start and become informed by the
best source possible.Sorry to refer to scriptures which turn off
some folks but the answers are there for us if we really want them. Keep America
out of the perils of the middle east Mr.Obama, you are way in over your head.10:53 a.m. Sept. 10, 2013======= Good grief!Here we go again -- another foreign policy hypocrite.Obama =
BadBush = GoodBTW - Obama hasn't even DONE anything yet
and you are all wound around the axel spouting apocalyptic endings etc.Well guess what -- The Bush wars are going into their 13th year, and
breaking the $3 Trillion un-funded marks.Where have YOU been?And don't sit there tell us that if Mitt Romney was President, that
invading Syria [as he promised he would do] would still be a BAD thing!Please - Would you flipflopping Republicans show an ounce of integrity?!
@2bitsyou are right no one should be thumbing their chess and congress
needs to not short circuit the process for their own selfish desire to see the
president fail. Congress needs to pass a logical framework for action if Syria
fails to follow through.
m.g. scott,"You know Craig Clark, our foreign policy for years
now has been so uncertain that maybe a turn to the Bible might be worth a try.
Couldn't be any worse."______________________________Practices of Biblical warfare included conquests of cities ending with the
entire population being put to the sword.
Kass,I wouldn't start thumbing your chest too soon... they
haven't actually turned over any weapons yet.The development is
a good thing for sure... but it's not a done deal yet. When you ask a
political leader in the midst of a civil war to disarm (when he knows if he
looses he dies)... they usually back out when they realize what the consequences
of HIS side disarming while the rebels are arming themselves and promising to
kill him if they can... they find a reason to back out on the agreement to
disarm. This isn't a new tactic. We've seen it in
Irag, North Korea, etc.
spin away boys but there are two facts here Obama stood tough and Syria blinked.
If this had been any republican president you all would be thumbing your
collective chest right now and everyone knows it.
Sorry to burst your bubble El capitan but most if not all Biblical prophecies
which came to pass were written after the events predicted happened. The
rest seems to be a convenient excuse for "chosen folks" to treat others
poorly, and by chosen I mean all religions in general are Gods chosen according
to their respective followers.The fear based on ignorance of Islamic
teachings is second only to the fear of our President…"It
is all about hate and mayhem. President Obama has delusions because of his
Muslim upbringing that he was born to bring about the changes that he thinks the
world needs. He has proved himself wrong during his five year rule over America,
failing on all counts."Everything but calling him the
antichrist, I can feel your christian love.
Bumble, Bungle, Obviscate and listen on here they are circleing the wagons
already. Obama pulled this off. You all know that he still has red paint on his
You know Craig Clark, our foreign policy for years now has been so uncertain
that maybe a turn to the Bible might be worth a try. Couldn't be any
worse. atl134I think Putin is the one taking his power
and influence to the region now that we in the U.S. seem to want a standown for
a while. That would be expected of the American people with the never ending
wars going on there and our involvement that really hasn't changed anything
for the region.
It's a good development for sure. I just hope they follow through on
their promise so we don't have to deliver the promised response. But
we've seen promises like this before (from North Korea, Iraq, and others)
they just kept promising until they get what they want, but never do what they
promised to do.I hope this one works.
Our President has given legislators a chance to weigh in on the Syria crisis.While doing so, diplomacy has sprung forth throughout Russia and numerous
other countries. No one wants a war. The majority of people throughout the
world want to live in peace. Leaders, such a Assad, should not be able to
kill his countrymen, just as no other leader should be able to do this.It
appears to be tricky, slippery slope to try to punish such a terrorist as he
gasses innocent people. We have witnessed such atrocities throughout history.
America, at times turning our heads and closing our eyes, or feeling helpless
unless we actually go to war to defend innocent people.Looks as though
President Obama and President Putin put their heads together at their recent
meeting and came away with another way to handle this. President Obama,
graciously, let President Putin go forth to the world with this new proposal to
stop further killing in Syria and possibly elsewhere.John Kerry will be
receiving an Academy Award in 2014 for his outstanding performance.
The editors write "Syria, meanwhile, has consistently denied ... that it
possesses any chemical weapons at all." This is incorrect. Syria neither
confirms nor denies the possession of chemical weapons. This strategy mirrors
Israel's strategy of neither confirming nor denying the possession of
nuclear weapons.Quite honestly, it is dispiriting to see such lack of
knowledge among the opinion leaders of this country.
Elcapitan,The situation is convoluted enough without bringing
Biblical texts into the equation. We can't create useful or relevant
foreign policy based on the improbability that passages written centuries ago
refer to things to happen in our times.
For you non scriptural folks, the middle east conflict is about Muslim against
Muslim, who in turn combine to hate and push for the destruction of Israel.It is
all about hate and mayhem. President Obama has delusions because of his Muslim
upbringing that he was born to bring about the changes that he thinks the world
needs. He has proved himself wrong during his five year rule over America,
failing on all counts. He is no match for Russia's Putin. Hang on folks, we
are in for a long, hard journey with Obama at the helm sailing in very troubled
"The USA was erased from the Super Power list overnight."By
getting Russia to put together a plan so that the US won't need to attack
Syria? By potentially getting what we want (removal of chemical weapons) without
firing a shot? On the contrary, this shows we have more influence than I thought
because this happened even when it was likely that Congress would make the
threat of a US strike a bluff.
Stay out of the middle east and let the Biblical prophecies take place as they
must and will.The heathen nations north of Palestine (GOG) are becoming
more and more apparent. Read Exekiel 37 & 38, Joel 3, Zechariah 12 and 13
for a start and become informed by the best source possible.Sorry to
refer to scriptures which turn off some folks but the answers are there for us
if we really want them. Keep America out of the perils of the middle east
Mr.Obama, you are way in over your head.
No boots on the ground for ten years and no rush to war.
"The USA was erased from the Super Power list overnight."Who
was it that erased us off the list?Who has taken our place spending 10x
more than the rest of the world?Do you actually read what you post?
I'll bet Israel is foaming at the mouth by a possible delay or total
stopping of bombing Syria.We are continually being dragged into
conflits not only for our own reasons, but to appease the radicals in Israel
that would have us wipe out all surrounding countires they feel are a threat. A
little paranoia is a good thing in todays world, but the idea that we allow our
selves to be manipulated so easily, is outrageous.
Mohokat says, We have witnessed the ineptness and lack of leadership of the
POTUS. The USA was erased from the Super Power list overnight.Something that BO
has wanted to accomplish.Russia out performed him so completely.If
the United States had made this offer, Syria would have rejected it out of hand.
They will consider it as it came from an ally. It has the potential to be a
peaceful solution to a no-win problem.Perhaps the US is behind it.
The President and Putin may have very well discussed it. Perhaps not.
We must assume that Russia is representing its own self interests. But the U.S.
has nothing to lose by welcoming the overture to talk while keeping its options
I hope everyone realizes that Russia and Syria are like the U.S. and Britain.
In other words, Russia is not going to harm Syria with any deal. Syria will be
able to keep Assad in power, which is their number one objective. And if Syria
gives up a few weapons, what's to say they don't get some new and
improved versions from Russia a little later. Oh that's right, no country
makes chemical weapons anymore due to treatys signed by all. Yeah, I believe
everyone is telling the truth. Kum by ya.
Obama didn't have the votes from Congress to bomb Syria. He knows that
several members of the House have said that they would start impeachment
procedings if he bombed Syria without Congressional approval. Accepting Russia's offer is the only way that he can claim a victory. He
acted as if he were the entire government. He's learned that there is a
separation of powers and that because their is a separation of powers, he would
face impeachment procedings if he abused his authority.Let's
hope that Russia's proposal will be totally accepted and that Syria will
comply 100%. It's not up to Obama to verify anything. The United Nations
will appoint inspectors from several countries. Surely, some of those
inspectors will be from the United States, but Obama will not be in charge of
those inspections. In fact, Russia will use its influence to nullify anything
that Obama proposes.
The key will be in Russia and Syria actually following through. It could be a
delay or ploy for time. To counter that the UN should up their game and so
should the US. The people of the USA are tired of paying for war in blood and
taxes for zero benefit to our people or country, only the defense industry
Ironic that Kerry says something he didn't mean, and now it could pave the
way to a solution to the current problem, a solution that the administration
doesn't want.Now, by a verbal accident, we will find out if the
democrats in office are interested in a peaceful solution, or if they just want
wage war for the thrill of being big and tough.This should be
interesting and enlightening indeed!
Most likely just a ploy to give congress one more reason to vote no.
If Russia can play an active role in de-escalating this situation, good for
them. If Russia's move to disarm Syria's chemical weapons is in
response to the US threat of escalation, good for us. It is a high stakes game
the two nations are playing... hopefully the Syrian people come out winners in
Intriguing or a setup. I may be just a low minded, suspicious type, but this
just smells too much like another goobermint false flag.