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In our opinion: Syria and Russia

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  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Sept. 10, 2013 4:42 a.m.

    Intriguing or a setup. I may be just a low minded, suspicious type, but this just smells too much like another goobermint false flag.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 10, 2013 5:49 a.m.

    If Russia can play an active role in de-escalating this situation, good for them. If Russia's move to disarm Syria's chemical weapons is in response to the US threat of escalation, good for us. It is a high stakes game the two nations are playing... hopefully the Syrian people come out winners in the end.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Most likely just a ploy to give congress one more reason to vote no.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    Ironic that Kerry says something he didn't mean, and now it could pave the way to a solution to the current problem, a solution that the administration doesn't want.

    Now, by a verbal accident, we will find out if the democrats in office are interested in a peaceful solution, or if they just want wage war for the thrill of being big and tough.

    This should be interesting and enlightening indeed!

  • DeseretDebbie Corona, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    The key will be in Russia and Syria actually following through. It could be a delay or ploy for time. To counter that the UN should up their game and so should the US. The people of the USA are tired of paying for war in blood and taxes for zero benefit to our people or country, only the defense industry benefits.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Obama didn't have the votes from Congress to bomb Syria. He knows that several members of the House have said that they would start impeachment procedings if he bombed Syria without Congressional approval.

    Accepting Russia's offer is the only way that he can claim a victory. He acted as if he were the entire government. He's learned that there is a separation of powers and that because their is a separation of powers, he would face impeachment procedings if he abused his authority.

    Let's hope that Russia's proposal will be totally accepted and that Syria will comply 100%. It's not up to Obama to verify anything. The United Nations will appoint inspectors from several countries. Surely, some of those inspectors will be from the United States, but Obama will not be in charge of those inspections. In fact, Russia will use its influence to nullify anything that Obama proposes.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    I hope everyone realizes that Russia and Syria are like the U.S. and Britain. In other words, Russia is not going to harm Syria with any deal. Syria will be able to keep Assad in power, which is their number one objective. And if Syria gives up a few weapons, what's to say they don't get some new and improved versions from Russia a little later. Oh that's right, no country makes chemical weapons anymore due to treatys signed by all. Yeah, I believe everyone is telling the truth. Kum by ya.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 10, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    We must assume that Russia is representing its own self interests. But the U.S. has nothing to lose by welcoming the overture to talk while keeping its options open.

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    Mohokat says, We have witnessed the ineptness and lack of leadership of the POTUS. The USA was erased from the Super Power list overnight.Something that BO has wanted to accomplish.Russia out performed him so completely.

    If the United States had made this offer, Syria would have rejected it out of hand. They will consider it as it came from an ally. It has the potential to be a peaceful solution to a no-win problem.

    Perhaps the US is behind it. The President and Putin may have very well discussed it. Perhaps not.

  • Designcreature Cashmere, WA
    Sept. 10, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    I'll bet Israel is foaming at the mouth by a possible delay or total stopping of bombing Syria.

    We are continually being dragged into conflits not only for our own reasons, but to appease the radicals in Israel that would have us wipe out all surrounding countires they feel are a threat. A little paranoia is a good thing in todays world, but the idea that we allow our selves to be manipulated so easily, is outrageous.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    "The USA was erased from the Super Power list overnight."

    Who was it that erased us off the list?
    Who has taken our place spending 10x more than the rest of the world?
    Do you actually read what you post?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    No boots on the ground for ten years and no rush to war.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Stay out of the middle east and let the Biblical prophecies take place as they must and will.
    The heathen nations north of Palestine (GOG) are becoming more and more apparent. Read Exekiel 37 & 38, Joel 3, Zechariah 12 and 13 for a start and become informed by the best source possible.

    Sorry to refer to scriptures which turn off some folks but the answers are there for us if we really want them. Keep America out of the perils of the middle east Mr.Obama, you are way in over your head.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    "The USA was erased from the Super Power list overnight."

    By getting Russia to put together a plan so that the US won't need to attack Syria? By potentially getting what we want (removal of chemical weapons) without firing a shot? On the contrary, this shows we have more influence than I thought because this happened even when it was likely that Congress would make the threat of a US strike a bluff.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    For you non scriptural folks, the middle east conflict is about Muslim against Muslim, who in turn combine to hate and push for the destruction of Israel.It is all about hate and mayhem. President Obama has delusions because of his Muslim upbringing that he was born to bring about the changes that he thinks the world needs. He has proved himself wrong during his five year rule over America, failing on all counts. He is no match for Russia's Putin. Hang on folks, we are in for a long, hard journey with Obama at the helm sailing in very troubled seas.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Elcapitan,

    The situation is convoluted enough without bringing Biblical texts into the equation. We can't create useful or relevant foreign policy based on the improbability that passages written centuries ago refer to things to happen in our times.

  • Jaycal33 Henderson, NV
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    The editors write "Syria, meanwhile, has consistently denied ... that it possesses any chemical weapons at all." This is incorrect. Syria neither confirms nor denies the possession of chemical weapons. This strategy mirrors Israel's strategy of neither confirming nor denying the possession of nuclear weapons.
    Quite honestly, it is dispiriting to see such lack of knowledge among the opinion leaders of this country.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Our President has given legislators a chance to weigh in on the Syria crisis.
    While doing so, diplomacy has sprung forth throughout Russia and numerous other countries.
    No one wants a war. The majority of people throughout the world want to live in peace.
    Leaders, such a Assad, should not be able to kill his countrymen, just as no other leader should be able to do this.
    It appears to be tricky, slippery slope to try to punish such a terrorist as he gasses innocent people. We have witnessed such atrocities throughout history. America, at times turning our heads and closing our eyes, or feeling helpless unless we actually go to war to defend innocent people.
    Looks as though President Obama and President Putin put their heads together at their recent meeting and came away with another way to handle this. President Obama, graciously, let President Putin go forth to the world with this new proposal to stop further killing in Syria and possibly elsewhere.
    John Kerry will be receiving an Academy Award in 2014 for his outstanding performance.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    It's a good development for sure. I just hope they follow through on their promise so we don't have to deliver the promised response. But we've seen promises like this before (from North Korea, Iraq, and others) they just kept promising until they get what they want, but never do what they promised to do.

    I hope this one works.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    You know Craig Clark, our foreign policy for years now has been so uncertain that maybe a turn to the Bible might be worth a try. Couldn't be any worse.

    atl134

    I think Putin is the one taking his power and influence to the region now that we in the U.S. seem to want a standown for a while. That would be expected of the American people with the never ending wars going on there and our involvement that really hasn't changed anything for the region.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Bumble, Bungle, Obviscate and listen on here they are circleing the wagons already. Obama pulled this off. You all know that he still has red paint on his shoes.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Sorry to burst your bubble El capitan but most if not all Biblical prophecies which came to pass were written after the events predicted happened.
    The rest seems to be a convenient excuse for "chosen folks" to treat others poorly, and by chosen I mean all religions in general are Gods chosen according to their respective followers.

    The fear based on ignorance of Islamic teachings is second only to the fear of our President…

    "It is all about hate and mayhem. President Obama has delusions because of his Muslim upbringing that he was born to bring about the changes that he thinks the world needs. He has proved himself wrong during his five year rule over America, failing on all counts."

    Everything but calling him the antichrist, I can feel your christian love.

  • Kass SLC, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    spin away boys but there are two facts here Obama stood tough and Syria blinked. If this had been any republican president you all would be thumbing your collective chest right now and everyone knows it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    Kass,
    I wouldn't start thumbing your chest too soon... they haven't actually turned over any weapons yet.

    The development is a good thing for sure... but it's not a done deal yet. When you ask a political leader in the midst of a civil war to disarm (when he knows if he looses he dies)... they usually back out when they realize what the consequences of HIS side disarming while the rebels are arming themselves and promising to kill him if they can... they find a reason to back out on the agreement to disarm.

    This isn't a new tactic. We've seen it in Irag, North Korea, etc.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    m.g. scott,

    "You know Craig Clark, our foreign policy for years now has been so uncertain that maybe a turn to the Bible might be worth a try. Couldn't be any worse."
    ______________________________

    Practices of Biblical warfare included conquests of cities ending with the entire population being put to the sword.

  • Kass SLC, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    @2bits
    you are right no one should be thumbing their chess and congress needs to not short circuit the process for their own selfish desire to see the president fail. Congress needs to pass a logical framework for action if Syria fails to follow through.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    @Elcapitan
    Ivins, UT

    Stay out of the middle east and let the Biblical prophecies take place as they must and will.
    The heathen nations north of Palestine (GOG) are becoming more and more apparent. Read Exekiel 37 & 38, Joel 3, Zechariah 12 and 13 for a start and become informed by the best source possible.

    Sorry to refer to scriptures which turn off some folks but the answers are there for us if we really want them. Keep America out of the perils of the middle east Mr.Obama, you are way in over your head.
    10:53 a.m. Sept. 10, 2013

    =======

    Good grief!

    Here we go again --
    another foreign policy hypocrite.

    Obama = Bad
    Bush = Good

    BTW - Obama hasn't even DONE anything yet and you are all wound around the axel spouting apocalyptic endings etc.

    Well guess what --
    The Bush wars are going into their 13th year, and breaking the $3 Trillion un-funded marks.

    Where have YOU been?

    And don't sit there tell us that if Mitt Romney was President, that invading Syria [as he promised he would do] would still be a BAD thing!

    Please - Would you flipflopping Republicans show an ounce of integrity?!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon,
    If you wouldn't just automatically spin into defend Obama/ blame Bush mode... it would help.

    I don't see people saying what Bush did was good. If anything, their saying there was more reason in Iraq back then than there is in Syria today. But if you could keep from getting so defensive and resist the temptation to continue the Bush Bashing years after the fact... we may be able to have a discussion on THIS topic.

    Some people are critical of the Obama decision to involve America in Syria's civil war. I would think YOU would be among them! I mean if all the moaning and groaning about America not being the world's police made sense back then... you would think it would make sense still today!

    But just knee-jerk defending Obama (when you still blame Bush for making the same decision) just makes no logical sense to me.

    And no... I don't automatically think everything Bush did was fine.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Russia already backing out. Well at least there is now a reason to listen tonight.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    I think the conservatives are getting played like a violin. Obama acts like a war monger and conservatives become doves just to oppose him. Otherwise if Obama was acting like his base wants him to they would be calling him a weak chicken.

    Who will have the last laugh but Obama.

  • BYU sports on TV in Missouri Lebanon, MO
    Sept. 10, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    I am not buying this whole Obama/Putin hatched a plan bit. This is more like Russia decided to do something and now others are trying to take credit for doing nothing as if that was the plan.... If the USA had any influence at all with Russia, Snowden would be back in the states. If our influence with Russia is so weak that we cannot arrange a deal to bring Snowden back to the states. Working out a deal to navigate peaceful resolutions in middle eastern countries is way out of our league....

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    BYU sports..this has nothing to do with influence in Russia, but everything to do with Russia's self interests, which the discussion with Obama probably highlighted. Russia has serious radical Islamist problems in the region and the last thing they need is a radical Islamist Syrian government or the radical groups getting their hands on chemical weapons. Assad needs Russian support to stay in power more than he need the chemical weapons, so the deal is win win for them.

    2bits is right though this needs to be a well constructed process because it will be long and difficult but well worth the effort.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Do you really think that this is about the use of chemical weapons?

    Is it more about Iran and the influence Iran has on Syria and Israel's reaction to it.

    Israel seems to be happy that we are going to bomb Syria. They would also like us to bomb Iran.

    Personally I am tired of fighting other countries battles and being the worlds policeman on borrowed money.

    Have you heard anyone from the "Mossad" giving their opinion who unleased the chemical weapons?