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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 10 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Bullies know who they are."

Not always. Teacher bullying is a known artefact of teacher education.

Our daughter was a small child, who'd always done quite well in school, was happy and well-adjusted. She seemed, to all but her third-grade teacher, to be on her way to academic success.

This inexperienced teacher, applying voodoo metrics learned in college, measured and weighed our daughter, counted how many times she could bounce a ball, then opined the "test" determined it would be "best" for our daughter to repeat the third grade. To "normalize" her size and "developmental level."

We resisted. She pushed.

In the subjective, no-letter grading system at that school, our daughter's usually-excellent grades -- and her sunny disposition -- fell. Several conferences with the callow pedagogue revealed her education made her confident in her opinion.

Our daughter's subsequent educational success through college proved her wrong.

Long story short -- only threats of litigation prevented disaster. My sister was also similarly bullied in a different school.

Too many "education" faculties are, sadly, arrogant and disconnected.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

I think the worst teachers are the ones who see bullying going on and don't intervene. If all teachers watched out for it and reacted to it when informed of it, then there would be none. In my day, (yes it was the 60s, so I know what your thinking), we had "bad news" people like the Deans and P.E. coaches who no one, not even the biggest bullies ever crossed. Now days, from what I've heard, teachers have gotten so timid, they themselves become bullied. Are there even Deans in schools anymore? Ah the good old days...........

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

And yet another article on education...

I have an idea, what if the bullying comes from the state legislature? Or the principal who is afraid that his school might get marked with a failing grade?

one old man
Ogden, UT

"Voodoo metrics???????"

Yes, there are a few teachers who are bullies -- but this comment is simply ridiculous.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

What is a parent's recourse?

Often, administration becomes numb--unable to differentiate between the over-bearing type parents and more rational parents who have real concerns.

I regret I didn't speak up more. Too often I made the calculus that if I complained things would get worse for my child. Clearly there were teachers who needed re-training-- or maybe shouldn't have been teaching at all, which is why I think the tenure system needs to be changed.

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

Yeah, kinda tough to sell the "bullying is unacceptable" mantra to kids when they get to experience adult authority figures engaged in bullying behavior as well. As adults, when do we get to admit that bullying doesn't just occur between kids or adult to kids and stop extolling bullying behavior as evidence of a desirable executive personality trait to get the job done, whatever the cost?

One old man: I'm kind of confused. Were you stating that your comment was simply ridiculous or that procuradorfiscal's comment referring to using the metric of how often you can bounce a ball to determine whether to advance a student as a 'voodoo metric' was simply ridiculous?

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

"Bullying: What happens if it's a teacher who does it?"

And what happens if its the DNews that supports bullying and promotes it? How do you ask? In a DNews article promoting a YouTube show with the title "Shaytards". Shay refers to the main character's first name. What does the "tard" part refer to? Anyone?

Does anyone know how hurtful it can be to hear this word as a child suffering from mental or physically disabilities? And yet somehow it is ok to use as long as DNews thinks it's funny?

How can the DNews put down bullying in one article and then promote it as funny in another?

So far 2 of my comments have been ignored and not posted. Will this make #3?

birder
Salt Lake City, UT

There are certainly some teachers who make unkind comments to kids.And - - - there are many parents who bully teachers and other school staff members. Over my career, I've been treated badly by many parents. Nowadays, if a child misbehaves and the teacher reports it to parents, watch out. The parent is more likely to go after the teacher than to try and help solve the problem with "Little Johnny/Little Jane who can do no wrong." Just this week, a parent at my school verbally attacked the lunch secretary over unpaid lunch money.

It is amazing how fast the bullying problem could be solved among both children and adults if people would remember what Christ taught. "Love thy neighbor as thyself." "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

one old man
Ogden, UT

Guiseppe, DN's censors wouldn't let me specify which commenter I was referring to. But it wasn't me. That commenter just has a very good imagination.

Marsh Valley Mom
Downey, Idaho

When my oldest was in 3rd grade, I was having problems getting him to school on time. (What is one to do when baby poops just before you leave and gets horrible rash if you leave it?) My son complained that the teacher yelled at him. One day, I walked him to class. We got to the door, my son standing in front of me to block the view of the teacher, and the teacher started chewing him out. My son took a step to the side and the teacher got a good look at my furious face. I went to the principal. I got an apology later that day. Same son, sixth grade: teacher picked on him all year long. He spent 4 days with after-school detention and frequent Saturday school for not doing his homework. The following year, my daughter had the same teacher. She also didn't turn in her homework. Not once did she ever get a detention. She attended "academy" where they get help with their homework, but she never turned it in. I went and got my child out of academy and put her in detention. None of the other kids had these teachers.

Really???
Kearns, UT

In my experience, a lot of the "bullying at the hands of teachers" that students experience is actually real discipline taking place in the classroom. We have become so permissive in our society, that too many parents take the side of their children instead of thinking that maybe their child has a behavior problem.

I am not excusing the teacher who really is a bully. That should never happen, but I don't think it's as widespread as many people would suspect just by glancing at this article. I do think, however, that if more parents would actually listen to teachers, that a lot of the problems in our schools would disappear. Students need to learn respect for authority, and it's too bad that is not happening at home.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I agree that teachers have the power to become unforgettable. Sometimes we teach our children to trust their teachers without exception and trust them so much they sometimes stop trusting their parents.

That's why I don't like it when teachers start teaching their personal philosophy or their political agenda to our kids at school.

I have a son who was bullied about his religious beliefs by a teacher who was eventually able to get him to doubt his faith, doubt his parents, and eventually turn against both of them. It was sad. We talk about it now and even he attributes the turn in his life to this teacher.

Teachers should stick to teaching the subjects the are certified in... and not try to get kids to doubt their parents and their faith.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I've also seen video of virtually an entire school class mocking and hitting a child who was a "goody goody", who had expressed moral principles. I've certainly heard of the mob mentality in children collectively "hazing" a child which can amount to very severe bullying, endangering and persecuting a newcomer or outsider.

I've witnessed, from within a class at my old school, virtually everyone in the class mocking and goading and shouting at a perfectly good teacher. The class perceived a weakness, a lack of control, and mercilessly exploited it. I was not part of that mob; I was taught better and my sympathies were entirely with the teacher.

Our perceptions and our emphases seem to be directed so much by current social fads that there is never justice or balance, just another shift in priorities and an exchange of one glaring imbalance or prejudice for another.

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

Bullies don't just emerge out of thin air but come from families where bulling like child abuse is generationally perpetuated. If a child is a bully, look at their family and you will find the source, which is why if your boss or co-worker is a bully, one of their parents probably were/are/was as well.

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