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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 3 2013 4:35 p.m. MDT

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Ontario, OR

What could possibly go wrong? Idiots.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

This sounds very familiar. In 1938, the right-wing NSDAP lifted the ban on guns and ammunition for those under 20 to the age of 18, contrary to the misguided belief that the NSDAP was in favor of gun control. It is just absolutely amazing to see history repeat itself. I just hope we don't end up the same way as Germany.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

Uncle Sam issued me an M1911 .45 when I was 20 years old. I carried it loaded while on duty. It was idiotic that I couldn't buy my own then, and it's still idiotic that a 20 yr old soldier can't buy his own Beretta M9 today.

Bountiful, UT

Its gratifying to see Utah and all these other states come out in support of gun rights for 18 to 20 year olds. If memory serves correctly at 18 people are allowed to join the military.

A constitutional right shouldn't be abridged just because it's convenient. If that were allowed what is the point of having constitutional rights?

Iowa City, IA

What are you people thinking? Rule of thumb: Find out the NRA position and take the opposite. Next they will want the state to pay for everyone to have a gun.

Provo, UT

Instead, I think they should raise the legal age to 25!

Love skiing
Salt Lake City, UT

They should be allowed to buy guns at 18. They should be able to stop at the liquor store and pick up a 6 pack of beer also. They are adults.

Cedar City, UT

So Eighteen-year-olds are responsible enough for a gun... but not Alcohol????

Cottonwood Heights, UT


The German Weapons Act of 1938 specifically prohibited Jews from owning firearms at all. I'm no historian, but I'll go out on a limb and guess that had more to do with the Holocaust than 18 year old Germans getting a permit to buy a handgun.

Salt Lake City, UT

I... I actually would agree with this, but in the spirit of never giving an inch (the gun advocates' philosophy when it comes to things like background checks that have 85% support nationwide) I hope this fails... purely out of spite.

Northern, UT

When will we admit that hiding behind and distorting the 2nd Amendment is an NRA media-blitz fraud? In this very newspaper we see one article about a slain police officer in Draper and then the next article is about how UT is working to make sure hand guns continue to be accessible.

Maybe UT should work with the federal government to restrict frivolous gun ownership and encourage more restrictive gun control laws.

I know this is blasphemy to so many right-wing conservatives, but remember that when James Madison wrote the Federalist papers he wrote that virtue would be the underlying governing power of the people. But when the people reject virtue, then there must be control.

Can we please see things as they are and admit that: yes, guns really do kill and harm people. Gun control is not a political agenda. Rather, it is a response to a violent people who are not governing themselves properly.

It is time to protect the innocent, see the reality of the situation, and not be deceived by clever marketing and worn out slogans.

DN Subscriber 2

Those who argue that 18-21 year olds are all irresponsible and should not be trusted with a gun ignore many facts:

a- They already can buy rifles and shotguns and we do not see that causing a problem.

b- Teenage gangbangers (including those under 18) already get all the guns they want, so we are only talking about a law that will benefit law abiding citizens.

c- Automobiles are the biggest killer of people of all ages, so should we ban sale and use of cars by anyone under 21, instead of allowing 16 year olds to drive?

d- 18-21 year olds can vote, marry, enter into contracts, and serve in the military. All of those require maturity, judgment and restraint. Want to raise the ages on those?

e- Thousands of Utah residents serve(d) in the military where weapons are issued, (some even nuclear weapons!) but if take off the uniform and they cannot have a handgun until they are 21?

I applaud Utah for standing up for this common sense reform, and supporting the principle of federalism.

Ontario, OR

It is a fact that the prefrontal cortex – the part of the brain that controls reasoning and impulses – is not fully developed until about age 25. This is why many teenagers, especially when hormones are in high gear, think they’re “ten feet tall and bulletproof.” Drinking, risky sexual behaviors, and reckless driving (including texting and driving) are more characteristic of those whose brains haven’t matured. Why in heaven’s name should they possess guns? This has nothing do to with the Constitution and everything to do with common sense! I taught high-school and college students for 17 years, and I know what I’m talking about.

Iowa City, IA

Milihini: Great comment!

DN Subscriber 2:
a- There is a problem with that.
b- The more guns sold (legally or not) the more easily they are available to thugs.
c- Apples and oranges, but yes, raising the driving age would save lives. Restricted licenses until 18 exists in some states, and I personally would not allow any of my freshman children to have a car at college...and they were relatively responsible.
d- Wouldn't be a bad idea, but not possible. Statistically, many in that age range lack maturity compared to older individuals. Car rental companies know this. Many restrict rentals until age 25. Where is the outrage at that?
e- Hopefully the military is a growing up experience with discipline, and "issued" comes with restrictions. I doubt that they are not "issuing" nuclear weapons to 18 year olds. If they were, we probably would have a few being launched.

Springville, UT

So get the state government out of the booze business and legalize marijuana. Why do guns have special status. The whole gun lusting has gotten out of control and become perverse.

Layton, UT

This seems like an unnecessary change. We make our youth wait to a certain age to do a number of adult activities. This also doesn't exclude them from owning a rifle. I just don't understand the deep abiding need to give kids handguns.

How about if they served a mission or are enlisted in the military service they can possess handgun below 21? That sounds fair, right?

Durham, NC

I actually sort of support DN Subscriber 2 on some points.... (feels really)

I never have understood that government thinks an 18 year old is mature enough to sign away their life to the military, and even die for their country, but are not responsible enough to drink, or buy weapons in civilian life.

You just can't have it both ways. Either they are mature enough, or not. If you are old enough to enlist in the military, you are old enough to decide if you want to have a beer or not.

I disagree this has anything to do with federalism... or any other political grandstanding ploy. This is about gaining consistency in government. This rule is as stupid as foreign policy that sees Cuba a threat to American stability, but China earns most favored nation trading status. The government is full of inconsistent laws.

sandy, UT

It would be better to change the age in induction to 21 in this country. Our life expectancy is much greater that WW1 stats. I don't see an injustice to voting at 18, serving in our military at 18 and not being able to catty a concealed weapon. Perhaps we should waive the 21 year old restriction for everyone who has been honorably discharged. I can imagine an untrained 18 year old stopping off at the liquor store (which he can't do today) and picking up a fifth of booze and with his concealed 45 trot off to a Rave party , a Frat party or go to the football game . Talk about being "loaded for bear".

one old man
Ogden, UT

Instead of lowering the age at which someone may purchase a gun, how about raising it?

To something like 95?

Murray, UT

This is John Swallows "Wag the Dog" maneuver to distract the public from the ongoing investigations into his conduct and possible violations of state and federal laws.

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