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Brad Rock: Beehive Boot might finally be worn out

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  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    What kind of big brother consistently loses to his little brother every year? Sounds like a weak, push-over big brother to me.

    They're two ways to determine whose the big brother: 1) Which school was established first? Utah 1850, BYU 1875. So Utah is older! Older brother's are commonly known as big brothers. 2) Head to head competition: Utah owns BYU on the gridiron winning 3 in a row, 8 of 11, and 54-34-4 overall. Not even close! By that, Utah is the big brother because big brother's beat their little brothers.

    What do those national accomplishments have to do with Utah owning BYU head to head on the field? In fact what does that have to do with anything?

    With that, I invite you to come back to 2013 with the rest of world.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    "BYU the big brother?"

    Absolutely!

    ONE National Championship to NONE
    ONE Heisman Trophy to NONE
    SIX National Hall of Fame players to NONE
    FIFTEEN national individual awards to NONE
    SEVENTEEN AP top 25 finishes to FIVE
    TWENTY-THREE WAC/MWC championship to SIX

    398-203-4(66%) to 314-257-4(55%) overall in the last 50 years
    30-20 head-to-head in the last 50 years

    BYU is clearly Utah's big brother when it comes to national accomplishments - it's not even debatable.

    Utah is running away from the Cougars because the Utes know that they have a MUCH better chance of finishing 1-1 versus Michigan-Fresno State than they do versus Michigan-BYU; the proof is in the scheduling.

    For all their talk, the Utes have no walk.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    @ Riddles in the Dark

    "Little brother is obviously scared of big brother; there's no other explanation for replacing Utah's biggest rival with a meaningless game against a team nobody on the hill even cares about"

    BYU the big brother? That's funny! Since when do big brothers consistently lose to little brothers? 3 in row, 8 of 11, 54-34-4 indicates Utah's dominance and therefore makes them big brother. We're ditching our little brothers who still sit at the kids table to eat at the grown ups table now.

    @ arrogant chickens

    "Actions speak louder than words little brothers"

    I agree! That's why Utah has dominated BYU in recent years. The Utes can walk the walk, while BYU only talks the talk. Utah's actions on the field against their little brothers speak for themselves.

    "The Utes are the team running away from the Cougars"

    Running away from the Cougars? That same Cougar team that lost to an ACC bottom dweller? If Utah was so scared to play BYU, then why did they schedule a home and home game with Michigan, and Fresno State who both are better teams than BYU?

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Actions speak louder than words little brothers.

    The Utes are the team running away from the Cougars!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    Little brother is obviously scared of big brother; there's no other explanation for replacing Utah's biggest rival with a meaningless game against a team nobody on the hill even cares about.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Let byu have it.

    Sometimes Big Brother wants to go out with the big boys so he gives little brother something to appease him. That doesn't mean Big Brother is scared of little brother.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    2fer

    "Is it 1977? Or is it 2013? Right now Fresno St. > BYU. Your history is a complete non-issue."

    So is yours!

    Current Sagarin rankings:

    #38 BYU
    #50 Utah State
    #51 Fresno State
    #55 Utah

    It's easy to see why the Utes would rather play the Bulldogs instead of the Cougars.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    @ midpacmajor

    Is it 1977? Or is it 2013? Right now Fresno St. > BYU. Your history is a complete non-issue.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 4, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    2fer

    Only a delusional Utah fan would try to claim that Fresno State, with only TWO lifetime AP Top 25 finishes, #24 in 1992 and #22 in 2004, is better than BYU, a perennial Top 25 team since 1977, with SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes, including FOUR since 2006, TWICE as many as the Bulldogs have had in their entire history. Since 1992, Fresno State has had ONE double-digit win season; Bronco has had FIVE in the last 7 seasons.

    Playing in California has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Having a better chance to win at least 2 of 3 OOC games to give the Utes a slim chance of qualifying for a bowl has EVERYTHING to do with it.

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    Bleed Crimson

    The Utes are going down on September 21st and U know it. The angst on the hill is palpable.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 4, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    @ midwacmajor

    "Only in your crimson-colored dreams. U know you were extremely fortunate to win in 2010 and in 2012 and there isn't a Utah fan alive who would be willing to bet the ranch on the the Utes winning this year's game"

    Oh and BYU wasn't very fortunate to win in 2006, 2007, and 2009? According to BYU logic, you take out those last second flukes and Utah would have an 11 game winning streak on the Cougies (dating back to 2002). But, I won't sink to that level of a Y fan. BYU beat us fair and square those three years, and Utah beat BYU fair and square in 2010 and 2012.

    Nice try! Again, Utah owns BYU on the field! 3 in a row, 8 of 11, and 54-34-4. You can't spin that fact!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    "Spin it however helps U sleep at night, but the only reason the Utes would schedule Fresno State instead of BYU is because they're scared of losing to BYU."

    Utah scheduled two teams better than BYU (UM and FSU), because they're scared of BYU? Nice logic. Playing Fresno instead of BYU has to do with playing more games in California, where many of Utah's recruits come from. Playing in-state teams has little value beyond pride since Utah has dominated the in-state recruiting battles for years now.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Bitter TDS fans. Quit while you're not even ahead! GO UTES

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Yeah, after we win it this year, we'll just keep it at the new Eccles football facility. Good plan, Brad!

  • BYUteAggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Whoa there Christopher B, just because you find yourself in a bubble here, doesn't mean those games don't have an incredible amount of fire and value to their fans. You also seemed to have left out my mentioning of Notre Dame, which has never been in a power conference. I, for one, personally enjoy watching the Notre Dame/Navy game every year.

    But alas, I know I cannot convince you of the glorious tradition of rivalries, even those you may not be familiar with outside of Utah. I suppose I'll leave you alone to get pumped for the "big game" against CU.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    @BYUAggie,

    Ya, that Navy Maryland rivalry is epic isn't it?

    I always hear a lot about the Navy Maryland games.

    Same with TCU/SMU.

    LOL!

    Thanks for making my point.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 4, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Utah owns BYU on the field..."

    Only in your crimson-colored dreams. U know you were extremely fortunate to win in 2010 and in 2012 and there isn't a Utah fan alive who would be willing to bet the ranch on the the Utes winning this year's game.

    "Utah schedules home and home with the Aggies"

    Utah bought out their scheduled 2014 game in Logan and Hill hasn't mentioned any plans to ever schedule another game in Romney Stadium.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Scared to play the instate schools?"

    Absolutely! Even the good doctor hill admitted that the reason he dropped BYU and ultimately added Fresno State to replace BYU was he didn't think Utah could handle playing Michigan and BYU OOC in the same year.

    And we know that the Utes are absolutely petrified of venturing into Logan; that's why they bought the Aggies out of Utah's last scheduled game in Logan.

    Spin it however helps U sleep at night, but the only reason the Utes would schedule Fresno State instead of BYU is because they're scared of losing to BYU.

  • BYUteAggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    @Christopher B:

    So, does that mean that Notre Dame cannot have rivalries with power-conference schools? I can think of many schools that would disagree. What about Navy/Maryland? TCU/SMU? Those are just ones that I can think of off the top of my head.

    I think it's silly to want old rivalries to die. Thanks to conference alignment, there are a number of games I used to look forward to that I won't see anymore, and I think it's a shame. I lived for the Nebraska/Oklahoma and BYU/Utah games every year growing up.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 4, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    @ MUSSing with U

    "The truth, christy, is the Utes are too scared to play their long time rivals anymore, especially the Aggies in Logan. The Utes are nothing more than a WAC/MWC caliber team pretending to be one of the big boys. 4-5, 3-6, 7-11 overall is proof of that. U haven't beaten a single PAC team with a winning record since joining the conference"

    Scared to play the instate schools? Utah owns BYU on the field and you know it! Utah is giving BYU 2 years off to lick their wounds before they play again in 2016. As far as USU, they're a worthy competitor and Utah schedules home and home with the Aggies. Utah isn't scared to go up to Logan. Unlike BYU who schedules 2 for 1 games with the Aggies. The Cougies are trying to spend as much time away from Logan as possible. They'll never forget the beating they took the last time they made a trip up to Logan. This year, the Cougies have to visit Logan and they'll be reminded why they do 2 for 1 with USU.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 4, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    The truth, christy, is the Utes are too scared to play their long time rivals anymore, especially the Aggies in Logan. The Utes are nothing more than a WAC/MWC caliber team pretending to be one of the big boys. 4-5, 3-6, 7-11 overall is proof of that. U haven't beaten a single PAC team with a winning record since joining the conference.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Utah IS too good to be having rivalries with WAC/MWC teams.

    No power conference programs have real rivalries with non-power conference teams.

    byu and usu can continue to be rivals as they are both non-power conference teams.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 6:16 a.m.

    When Utah got too good (in their own minds) for USU and BYU, and BYU lost its way in indie land, the traditions of football rivalries died. It's part of the bigger story of college football chasing the dollar. It just isn't fun any more.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 3, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    The Beehive Boot should be retired permanently since we're too scared to travel to Logan anymore and we'll be taking two years off to salve our bruised egos after September 21st.