Hill will get better. Good grief - I could hardly watch John Beck's entire
first season as a starter, and his second season was better but not great.
Considering the awful performance of the O-line and the dropped passes, I think
Hill was as good as most BYU quarterbacks with equal experience, even the good
ones. All the Hill-bashing has been ridiculously premature. The O-line is the
key. No quarterback can develop and play well without at least a modicum of
protection. Name a single quarterback who succeeded with no pass protection or
blocking from the front line.Taysom Hill is not the problem.
offensive line is horrible. what a let down. hard to watch and harder to look
forward to the rest of the season. mark it down.
They've been rebuilding that offensive line for about 4 years now and until
it gets built it won't matter who the QB is because he will be hurt. They
need a scheme to match their personnel-big wide linemen to protect if the Y is a
passing team and quicker more agile dudes for a running game. Until the staff
decides what type of team it is going to be and then gets the bodies to match
the scheme, they will always be just kind of a middle level team.
Ute Alumni - wait until you play someone good.But, BYU needs OL help
"Taysom Hill will get better — if he's given time"That's reassuring! This fanbase is notorious for realistic expectations
of inexperienced quarterbacks with touted potential.
It was a tough game to watch when we were led to believe that BYU had a great
offense, great defense, great running game (due to a good offensive line), great
passing game, improved offensive coaching, and a great special teams game. This
was a winnable game, but BYU just didn't perform well on anything but
defense. They will likely go to a bowl, but I was counting on a much better
offense. Taysom will get better, likely when they play the WAC and PAC-12
teams. I'll tape Texas in case I decide to watch it later. I sure hope I
get to watch it. Come on Cougars. Exceed my lowered expectations.
I have all the confidence in the world that this team of BYU athletes will come
through. We saw a less than perfect game considering all the weather elements.
They will learn and grow from it. I want Cody Hoffman back in the game. He would
have been the game-changer Saturday!Go Cougars!
13/40 is ridiculous. It's hard to imagine a quarterback, regardless of his
offensive line or inexperience, being that bad. I feel like an idiot because all
offseason I've been hyping the kid up. I think at this point people need to
start legitimately questioning Bronco's competence. How bad will things
have to get before people realize Bronco just isn't cutting it?
There's no excitement, no buzz and no reason for the average college
football fan to watch this team at all. And it's going to be even worse
after this year when Hoffman and Van Noy leave.
I will also throw Anae under the bus. Instead of the pace being faster, it was
just frenetic and appeared to have no thought other than getting to the line of
scrimmage. Play calling was disastrous and pathetic. Did we complete or even
target a pass to the tight ends? When did BYU receivers, whose only saving
grace is route running and good hands, become fumbling meatheads?
Little early, don't you think, ute Alumni?
I believe everything being said about about Hill. But he is not the only deer in
the forest.We don't know what would have happened if Olsen had
started. And until he gets a chance to play in a big high pressure game we
won't know what he can do. Texas recruits more than one quarterback and
then discovers how they will do by letting them play. Let Taysom Hill rest and
start Olsen. Or Lark. I'm glad that God doesn't decide who will be
saved until we get in the game.
The reason Hill was hurt in the Utah State game in 2012 had nothing to do with
the offensive line. It had everything to do with coaches celebrating on the
sideline, forgetting to signal Hill to take a knee. What a program.
Of course Hill will get better - that is, if the coaching staff can withstand
the fan pressure calling for Hill's head. Once BYU gets to the weak part
of the schedule - the part of the schedule that's more on BYU's level
- Hill will look better.
A couple of things I learned from the first game: 1) the offensive
line is absolutely horrible and if it doesn't get better in a hurry, this
will be a LONG season. 2) T. Hill is inaccurate and cannot throw
with any touch on the ball. But BYU probably doesn't care. They seem more
interested now in a QB's running ability than his passing ability.
Cougar "fan" better hope he gets better. His back up was the back up at
SUU last year so I don't know why they expect Olson to deliver anything.
If Olson was all that, why didn't the Y get him out of high school?
@Bark for Sark: Typical fair-weather BTU fan. Come on, let's get behind our
team. I'm proud of how they came back to take the lead. They lost on a
fluke play. The weather delay was the key to BYU's loss in this game. I am
going to cheer for a win against both Texas and Utah.
FDR Fan: I think Lark graduated last year. I think you may mean Munns.
Taysom Hill is NOT the problem and fans need to leave him alone. He needs time
to get better meaning he is still a true sophomore, which people forget, and he
needs time to THROW the ball! Anae even said at the end of the game.
"Hill's jersey was the dirtiest and it should be the cleanest at the
end of each game." Guys, let's be serious. Can you think of any
quarterbacks who would have had great stats in that game? I'm not sure that
Tom Brady would have had great numbers with a line like that blocking in front
of him. That is hands down the biggest problem on this team, and until it gets
fixed this team will be lucky to be bowl eligible this year.
@ panamadesnews You won't get passed Texas or Utah and most likely
Lone star. Who is good?USU ended the season last year after all was
factored in at #19 in the nation. They have a legit QB who will garner Hiesman
talkv(other than the DesNews)...Utah plays two easy games against in
state teams and then launch into a tough PAC 12 schedule....so there are two
powder puffs coming up but USU isn't in that category.UVA
finished LY at #84
I was at the game and Virginia fans were yelling out the ground play that BYU
would run. Stale play calling.Virginia's lineman were much bigger then
BYU's lineman. The Cougars WR's did not help Hill but he looked
average at best. After all the hype I was stunned at how average at best Hill is
at qb. This season does not look promising. That would apply even if the Cougars
Every organization - including football, is reflective of its leadership's
vision. How leadership views, sees, thinks, and plans for the challenges,
opportunities for success, influences everything that everyone else - players
and coaches - do. So when the head coach - who signs the checks so to speak and
controls your paycheck, your scholarship and your playing time - comes from a
"defense" perspective, that will always be first in terms of recruiting,
scheme, coaching and yes game day execution. This isn't a knock on
Mendenhall - it's a knock on most any leader. They stick with what they
know. Case in point: Utah football. Case in point: BYU football.Coach Mendenhall and Coach Whittingham have been a near mirror image of each
other as they have stumbled and struggled on offense - since they took over
their respective programs. Both have shown they have limited ability to recruit
and develop offensive talent. Both have shown they have limited ability to hire
and enable offensive coaches. And both have shown that when it gets right down
to it - they go with what they know - defense. And that's
great. Unless your the head coach.
I would give him all the needed.About 1 more half.
To BYU fans that have followed the program, here's a thought. How did Steve
Young's first start go in '82? He threw FIVE interceptions, and BYU
had to rely on a very good defense to stay in the game against Georgia...is any
of this sounding familiar? He was also under constant attack all game long in
that season opener. Have you all forgotten what Detmers first start looked like,
or has been mentioned, John Beck's. Lets try and have some perspective and
realize that these things take time. The offensive line play will take time to
improve with more experience and recruiting. Taysom Hill will take time to
progress in becoming the QB most of us believe he can be. I still remember as a
young boy on the sidelines at a BYU game against UNLV when McMahon was hurt and
Steve young was playing. The fans were booing, calling for another QB, yelling
how bad Young sucked...how did that turn out? Lets give the guys a break and
have a little more patience. I'm disappointed too, but the bashing and
ranting going on just seems premature to me. Give it time guys!!
He will get better, but those charged with protecting him must improve
dramatically.A few more games with substandard O-line play could shatter
his confidence.With a bit of luck he won't show improvement until
October, another blowout win for Utah in LES would be nice.Beat
Texas, BYU.Go Utes.
I think he'll get way better. He just needs more time.
The O Line better do some heavy soul searching, and quick. To the O Line:YOU were embarrasing. Suck it up.
Sure. Give Taysom as much time as he needs. He isn't the problem. The
problem with BYU's offense is long standing and much bigger than the QB.
It's a combination of training, execution (I'm getting to where I hate
using that word in reference to football because of Bronco), and coaching. BYU has this down on defense. But, it's quite obvious that BYU does
not know how to carry out an offensive series of plays without stumbling and
tripping up. Their offense looks like they just gathered together with no
preparation. Again, this has been going on for several years and is symptomatic
of much more than just one position. The head coach needs to make
sure that both sides of the ball are played and (here's that word again)
executed with finesse.
Brave Sir Robin ..... No one should be calling for Hill's head. They
should be calling for Anae head. He's the one calling the plays and he
does a poor job of it. Same--0, same --0. Nothing has changed since he was
You cannot teach size and this O line was smaller then UVA. It was the first
thing I noticed at the game. The odd thing is BYU should have won despite the
size difference and the poor offensive showing. The BYU fans in the stands were
stunned at the play calling. BYU fans expectations were set far too high this
year. What happens if the Cougars start 0-3 ?
@panamadesnewsThey lost on a fluke play? I don't consider an
interception a fluke play. The player had to catch the ball, which is
apparently something that BYU's players aren't very good at doing.
The only way to make a bad offensive line worse is to tire them out going too
fast and too hard!
"IF" is the longest word in the English language.
I didn't read these comments. Everyone who said I told you so or who
panics and runs around waving their arms and screams "The sky is
falling", or want to tell me about their super conference or who thinks they
know more than all of the coaches need to just...go away. If you thought
it was going to be perfect you've had your head in the clouds. If you
thought it was horrible you didn't see the development, If you are gloating
you really need to get a life. It's college football. It's supposed
to be a growing, developing, maturing thing.You want to know who was most
shocked by this? The Virginia coaches. They saw very little to be happy with.
They had turnovers left and right and over the middle. The were three and out
all day. They couldn't stop Jamaal Williams and they were grateful for a
two hour delay and what it did to BYU's momentum. They have a kicker and
that's it. Their super freshman was a dud. They got a gift at the end of
the game and went home happy that prayer works.
"...if he's given the time" and protection.
If I remember right Ty Detmer had 4 interceptions his first game, a loss against
Wyoming and the game was on ESPN. He went on to have a pretty good career. His
arm wasn't as good as Hills and he couldn't run as well. He was smart
and learned how to play the position and he always believed in himself. He had
the intangibles that made a great QB. Let's slow down and give the kid
time to develop. Many of the fans complaining would have thrown Detmer out
after Wyoming; for heavens sake chill!
@ Hey Baby"UVA finished LY at #84"I guess that
is only slightly worse than Utah's final ranking at #80.
Cougar11 is correct about Ty Detmer. I just watched a replay of John
Beck's first game. First three touches...a sack, a fumble and an
interception. He wasn't thrown on the sacrificial alter quite so quickly
as many wanted. He turned out fine. Taysom is our quarterback and he will be
fine too. For those of us who have been around long enough to have seen Jim
Mcmahon, Mark Wilson, Virgil Carter and even Steve Young know that the coaches
actually know what they are doing and most of us don't. So sit back,
don't read thee comments for a couple of games and enjoy the ride. It does
@byualumn..."We saw a less than perfect game considering all the weather
elements."Right, on the Virginia side of the line of scrimmage
it was 85 sunny with no wind. On the cougie side it was -30 snowing sideways
with 100MPH wind.@panamadesnews..."They lost on a fluke play.
The weather delay was the key to BYU's loss in this game."Exactly there is now way the cougies would lose a game unless a fluke play
happened or there was weather issues.
Well, mah boy Taysom will be ok. He needs to git some good rest and eat his
grits. Them boys in Texas know how to get after the QB somethin' fierce.
He really should prepare. Lotsa grits, though. I'm tellin' ya.
@nuschler..."UVA finished LY at #84""I guess that is
only slightly worse than Utah's final ranking at #80."And
the cougies can't beat either
I think Hill will end up being an outstanding quarterback. His athleticism will
Another year and another BYU over hyped coach and fan expectations. why
couldn't coach bronco go into the season with low expectations and be real?
he set himself up for failure. but the real issue is Robert hahah. so after
being on AZ staff he learned nothing at all. I think BYU should really go after
Aaron Roderick again.
GLORY DAYS ARE OVER. I said at the beginning 5 AND 7 OR 4 AND 8. Now I am more
confident in that prediction. They will be 0 and 3 and 1 and 4 to start.
Offensive line is key. Look at Alabama. This line will never be good enough to
play against the best. Defense is good but they will not hold all opponents to
under 14. BYU needs some meanness on the line. I understand that injuries to
Anae and Reynolds doomed the offensive line from the start, but this group is
just to soft mentally, and you can't change that much. Utah is better than
I expected and I think they will go 7 and 5 or 8 and 4 now. They should be 4 and
0 to start the year. BYU and Oregon State are not as good as expected. Both
should be ins.
That old line that "our team is getting (or, gonna get) better as the season
progresses" is such a bunch of CROCK; because *EVERY* team/player gets
better with more playing minutes.So... theoretically, every player
and team will STAY in their same RELATIVE position, because they are ALL
progressing/working out problems/fine-tuning their skills and strategies, etc.,
the further they get into the season.So, for Dick Harmon to say that
Taysom (or ANY player/squad) "will get better," is basically true.
BUT.... so will every other key player in college football.What
makes people think that ONLY "their" team will progress throughout the
season, and surpass ALL OTHER teams (as they progress)?? Get real, people!
EVERY team progresses. Sto STOP using that worn-out, flawed logic.
I question the 33 carries by Jamaal Williams, but not because I expected more
passing or more QB running, simply because all we heard in the preseason was how
good the whole group of RBs looked. Then, when it mattered (with WRs dropping
passes, the ball as wet as imaginable) Alisa, Hine, and Lasike combined for 7
carries on the day (none of them getting more than 3). What gives?
I have zero confidence in our coaching staffs ability to identify the issues,
make adjustments and improve the team before the Texas game. Lavelle Edwards
used to say that the biggest improvements would come between week 1 and week 2.
Im afraid those days are gone as coaches are more focused on "Spirit, Honor,
Tradition" than X's and O's
Ammon Olsen is already better than Hill! After Hill's poor showing in the
first half, Olsen should have been inserted into the game!....could his passing
efficiency have been any worse? He is a much more accurate passer. I
predict that Olsen will be the starter in a few more weeks- if not sooner.
Stop with all the "he needs time" talk. Did Oregon's QB or Texas
A&M's QB need "time" last year? The sad fact is that Hill is a
lot better then Riley Nelson, but Riley Nelson will go down as the worst BYU QB
ever. Also, there was a reason we (I) wanted Anae gone the first time around.
Looks like he picked up right where he left off. What is wrong with Bronco?
He's great defensively, but has no clue when it comes to the offense and
the offensive staffing. Harmon was right on one thing. BYU goes as the QB goes.
But he then contradicts himself by saying give him time. The Nelson era was a
disaster and we need to fix this next disaster now before it's too late.
I feel that the LOSS started with the 3 and 1 when BYU was marching down the
field where BYU ended up with a field goal. The goal is to run out the clock at
the end of the game when you have a lead, and instead of running for the first
down as BYU had done on several plays of that drive, BYU threw and incomplete
pass that stopped the clock. If the ball had been run, more time would have
been run off the clock, and even if BYU would have kicked the field goal, it
would have been with a minute less time left on the clock. I couldn't
agree more with Anae claiming it was his fault. 2 pass plays when runs would
have saved the game.
A couple of points:(1)If BYU were smart they would mechanize the qb
position so experienced juniors were stepping in to take the helm not freshman
and sophmores.(2)Bronco has a man crush on Taysom Hill and probably has
too much say in the starting qb decision. Bronco has a style of player he
likes. That tends to be aggressive, rough and tumble it works great on defense,
but qb requires more finesse. (3)BYU's offensive line has been crazy
bad for several years. (4)There is a reason why the pro style offense is
used in the pro's. It keeps quarterbacks healthy and qb's are hard to
replace. This running qb thing is a phase. A mobile quarterback is never a bad
thing but other skills are more important.(5)Bronco is a good defensive
coordinator. His high level organizational skills (i.e. putting the right
expert in the right coaching position and trusting his expertise, mechanizing
the qb position, etc.) leave something to be desired.
Anae, Anae, Anae. That is sounding more and more like a 4-letter swear word.The play-calling was atrocious. How many times did they run that
zone-read? My guess is somewhere around 60-70% of the offensive plays were the
zone-read. It was boring, AND IT DID NOT WORK!The 92-yard drive
worked because the play-calling was better. They mixed it up, they ran plays
that had not been called all game, and it caught UVA off guard. Up until then,
all they had to do was sit back and watch for Hill to either hand it to Williams
or take it and run. I hope I have seen the last of the zone-read (except for
the few occasions where it is called for). Not every other play!
Repeat from last year. No O-Line. They were rushing 4, sometimes 3 and they
were still getting to the QB. Only now there is the fast and punt scheme...our
defense will be worn out.
I didn't think much of Hill's arm last year, and Saturday showed it
hasn't improved much in the interim. BYU can't beat good teams
without an effective passing attack, but it also can't keep shuffling
quarterbacks. Can't say what the solution is.
@Lone Star CougarI hate to tell you but USU >> Virginia.Mark that one down.
I am not looking for excuses I am just asking a question - would the game have
been different if it had not been delayed? would like some honest feed back
The O-line is horrible. But frankly the d-line isn't much better, to many
runs up the middle by Virginia. This new system requires players to
be able to line up quickly and be able to adjust on the fly. It takes time to
learn this skill. BYU typically recruits players that play traditional ball so
going forward recruiting efforts need to focus on speed. Unfortunately speed
does not equal size so the team needs to learn to move at the high pace such a
system requires and the QB needs to learn to make VERY fast decisions. BYU is not there yet on this system but they can do it.One
last thing high paced offence means your defense is the one that gets worn down
because they will be on the field longer so conditioning is vital.
@ reasonable Ute:If there actually is such a thing. The reason the
interception was called a fluke play is because it should've never been
made. Most fans rightly expected Anae to call a safe running play to run the
clock, punt the ball and then let the defense win the game. BYU's defense
did not give up a single long drive (longer than 20 yards) for a touchdown all
game long. It should've been a no-brainer, but apparently wasn't.
It's considered a fluke, because it's doubtful Anae will ever do the
same thing in a similar situation again.@ Carson:BYU
might not get past Texas, but it's almost a given they'll get past
Utah. BYU will be ready for the trick plays Utah needs to win any games.
I'm more concerned about beating the Aggies, who looked better than Utah in
their game. The stats also indicated as much.
@ Top5Alive:That's a big stretch to completely discount Robert
Anae after only one game... and one that was played in a rain storm at that!
Unless you have real prophet abilities (very doubtful), you can't possibly
know at this point that Anae didn't learn things while at Arizona and that
he won't be a big contributer this year. The jury is definitely out for a
few more games before you or anyone else can answer those questions. As such,
there's no reason to think BYU should still go after Aaron Roderick. How
and why is he so good? It took a trick play and an unknown kicking game from a
previously unknown for Utah to barely beat the Aggies... in SLC no less. The
Aggies stats were definitely better, which tells me they will probably have a
better year than Utah.@ sporty\guy:If you hate to say
that USU is better than Virginia, then don't. There is absolutely no
way you or anyone else can say with any certainty at all that either USU or
Virginia is better than the other... especially since they won't be playing
@CougliferHard to say, but at the time of the delay, it didn't
look to me like either team had a ton of momentum on their side. One game does
not make a season; long ways to go.
According to Taters:BYU might not get past Texas, but it's
almost a given they'll get past Utah-------and just what in the
world leads you to make that claim? An outsides kick is totally legal, quite a
gamble, but has a huge up side when performed to perfection: which it was.
It's statements like that which make it hard to have any symapthy for BYU,
or their fans. That arrogant attitude and the excuses are really quite sad.
Especially considering what went down this weekend.
"BYU might not get past Texas, but it's almost a given they'll get
past Utah. . .There is absolutely no way you or anyone else can
say with any certainty at all that either USU or Virginia is better than the
other."Tators:So let me get this straight. After
finally coming out into the light following your wildly inaccurate predictions
last week, you are now certain of what hasn't happened yet, but deny anyone
any certainty about what they already saw.Accuracy value = $0Information value = $0Entertainment value = Priceless
Lifer:I'll leave the speculation about the delay affecting play
on the field to those here who are unhesitant to speculate and completely
unqualified to do so. However, the delay did play havoc with the broadcast.
Apparently DirectTV didn't show it when ESPNU resumed coverage--instead
they showed the game that was supposed to be on ESPNU, which was being shown on
the Ocho. I suppose that was a saving grace--far fewer people saw
the belly flop.
Forget the rain.BYU is officially 1 play from going 13-0.
@TatorsRead JohninSLC's comments again he hit right on the
head. LOL at you contradicting yourself and making excuses for a loss to a
Start Olsen - everyone says he has a better arm.
Dick,The column was really well thought out. But the fact remains you are
making excuses for an absolutely abysmal performance. Hill was 13-40. Many of
the 13 completions were to receivers behind the line of scrimmage. He through a
pick that cost BYU the game. And at the end, with the exception of the final
completion when time ran out his last eight throws were 7 incompletions and 1
game losing interception. And as to the distractions...didn't Virginia have
the same delay and the same rain and the same sloppy field conditions?
I don't think 'time' is the issue with Hill. The issue with Hill
is just plain QB savvy and accuracy. Tim Tebow has had three years to improve
his accuracy but some things just can't be fixed with certain players. Max
Hall was accurate his first year and even Ty Detmer as a freshman showed an
amazing ability to connect with his receivers even though he threw alot of
INT's. Still Max and Ty were fearless and had great confidence in their QB
play. Hill plays mechanical and rigid ...no real QB sense about him...yet. BYU
better hope he can learn the position in a hurry. Texas isn't a very good
place to start. OUCH!!