I was able to take the Hunter safety class from both Robbie and his brother Lee
in 1965. Over the 50+ years I've been involved as a Boy Scout leader,
teaching gun safety to young boys. I'm also an active competitor in the
shooting sports and a certified range officer. Robbie was my scout leader and
started me on years of enjoying the shooting sports and the love of outdoors and
"You have accepted the NRA nonsense that there is a criminal class in
America armed with guns."Beverly If you are a law enforcement officer
as you claim you would know there is a criminal class in America armed with guns
and some of them do intend to do bodily harm to those who do not have the same
protections. "Yes, there are bad people in the world, but the vast majority
of gun deaths are in the home - and the readily available gun has contributed to
this national disgrace. Adding more guns to our society is adding more problems
for the community and our police officers".How you could make such a
statement is unbelievable and absurd, please tell me where you get your facts.
Should gun and nut go together?
Manuretruck, can you point out the place in Beverly's comments where she
indicates a desire to “strip away the constitutional rights of americans
[sic] nationwide”? Your personal anecdote about 10 years of
gun safety is statistically insignificant. Data from a US mortality survey show
that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the
home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm
homicide and firearm suicide in the home (see the current issue of American
Journal of Epidemiology).
The truth said, “It can be refuted. The quote gave [sic] is just utter
nonsense.”Refute away. Show us the statistics that prove that
having a gun in the home is of greater benefit to a family's health and
safety than not having one.
Dear PeanutGallery: There is substantial research that clearly shows
that homes with guns in them are over 6 times more likely to have the gun used
against a family member or close family friend than homes that don't have
guns in them. Over 30,000 people in the United States are killed with a gun
every year. Most of these gun deaths are suicides, accidents, and domestic
violence. Should we ignore the deaths of 30,000 people dying every year from
guns in America? If this was a new illness, like a new flu strain, stop and
think about what we would do, but we chose to ignore 30,000 deaths based on a
culture of fear formed by the NRA. It is a serious problem, but even our
political leadership is afraid to address.
Re: Beverly: Actually, a gun in the home is much more likely to be used to
prevent crime and protect lives. Studies show that this defensive use of guns
happens between 1 million and 2 million times a year. Most such incidents
don’t get much press coverage, and therefore many people are not aware of
this valuable role that guns play, over and over again.
I concur with Mr.R. about keeping your weapons LOCKED UP. And it would not be a
bad idea to keep the ammo locked up somewhere else.
This brings a fond memory. I was part of the very first hunter safety class
taught by his brother Lee Robertson just before I got my first hunting license.
The gun I used to qualify at the Utah Fish and Game shooting range was an old
single shot .22 rifle that my dad had bought as a young boy. It had a problem
that made it blow gas back in my eyes occasionally. Lee loaned me some shooting
glasses so I could finish. He then offered to buy the gun from me and replace it
with a new rifle. He put that old rifle in the Fish and Game gun collection as
an example of an early sporting rifle.
@BeverlyIncidents like the Draper shooting also create fear in
people like you who believe that such incidents are reason enough to slowly
strip away the constitutional rights of americans nationwide. The increasing
unjustified militarization of our police force and their tactics (no-knock
warrants in full SWAT gear for simple marijuana violations being the worst), the
erosion of our civil liberties, and the constant battle against gun rights by
people on your side of the fence are all a result of government capitalizing on
fear and the effect it has on the ignorant.A gun is most likely to
hurt yourself or a family member only if you are irresponsible with it, whether
in use or storage. I have had a loaded gun either on me or in a safe for the
last 10 years and I have never even come close to having a negligent discharge
of any kind. It's about the people, not the gun. The failures of
individuals are not reason enough to strip away the rights of those who do not
fail at basic responsibility. "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is also no longer
a good enough reason to strip civil liberties. It's played out.
Dear Mountainman: Isolated incidents like you have described create
fear. Making decisions based on fear generated from an unusual event is often
misguided. Yes, there are bad people in the world, but the vast majority of gun
deaths are in the home - and the readily available gun has contributed to this
national disgrace. Adding more guns to our society is adding more problems for
the community and our police officers.
@JoeBlowIt can be refuted.The quote gave is just utter
nonsense.Guns have been around hundreds of years providing
protection. Not considered dangerous as people even children carried them to
schools and town and everywhere, with unquesti0oned safety. noy mention many
other weapons.IF there is problem in society it not the fault of a
hunk metal, an inanimate object, but of people no longer being taught morals
and gun education.
mtnman,there will always be tragic and sad stories such as yours.
But, when looking at the big picture, one cannot refute the facts as Beverly
stated "in reality the gun they purchase will more often be used
by a family member to kill them or they will use it to commit suicide."
Shakespeare told us: "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but
the valiant taste of death but once."Those who believe that
government is here to protect the individual will "die a thousand
deaths". The purpose of the Federal Government is to insure that our mode
of self-government will never be erased from the earth. The Federal Government
has no duty to protect the individual. Those who think otherwise only have to
look at Bengahzi.Mr. Benson told us that bad things can happen to
good people. The childish will blame others or "guns" as the cause of
those "bad things". Adults will realize that we are responsible for our
own actions and that a moment of carelessness can lead to a lifetime of regret.,
not the governmentMr. Benson wrote an article that we need to read
and to understand - without wringing our hands about 'evil guns', but
with gratitude that our Creator, not the government, is the source of all
Dear Beverly. With all due respect let me tell you about a family that lived
near me not many years ago that was brutally murdered by a criminal who moved
here from another state. He had a long criminal record and was released from
jail by a judge. He cased the home of this family and finally broke into this
home one night while they were sleeping and brutally killed the mother and
father with a hammer. He raped and killed the young son and kidnapped a teenage
daughter whom he raped repeatedly for weeks. Eventually he was apprehended and
he now sits in prison exercising one appeal after another. I have guns in my
possession to insure that NEVER happens to my family, I will take that risk
because if I didn't I could never live with myself. I could not call myself
a father or a husband. You may feel differently and that is your choice, mine is
Dear Mountainman: You have accepted the NRA nonsense that there is a
criminal class in America armed with guns. This fantasy is destroyed by the
facts. I have been a police officer for many years. From U.S. Department of
Justice Research and my experience, I know that guns in the home are used
against family members on a consistent basis in domestic violence. Distraught
teenagers with immature minds, commit suicide with a readily available family
owned gun. These senseless deaths are the end product of guns in the home. Many police officers, including myself, spend their entire career never
having to use their duty weapon for protection. Please research your opinions
and rethink this issue.
To DN Subscriber 2:Gun safety was taught in my high school 55 years
ago when I was a student at Davis High. But it was only taught to the members
of the "rifle club." These were the students who carried 22 caliber
rifles up to the rifle range there in the school, through the hallways of the
school at the end of the day when the rifle club met.Can you imagine
students carrying rifles and ammunition up and down the halls and stairways of
our schools today?
Unfortunately, this will be the only instruction that many will take before they
carry a loaded weapon in public.And, while I don't know
specifically about Mr Robertson's class, actually shooting a gun is not
required to obtain a concealed carry permit.I wonder how Mr
Robertson feels about the prospect of people in his class, with no additional
training, carrying in public.
Beverly, you’ve misunderstood the column. Mr. Robertson and the NRA are
on the same page. Their safety rules are worded a little differently, but the
underlying principles are the same. The NRA has been preaching gun safety for
decades. They have taught many thousands of courses, to children and adults,
emphasizing the importance of gun safety.Maybe you need to
personally look into what the NRA really does. They have a political wing,
which works to protect our Constitutional rights, and they have an education
wing, which works to educate millions of people on the safe and responsible use
and storage of firearms. If you check into the NRA with a truly open mind, you
may be pleasantly surprised. I was.
Remember what Richie Havens(may he rest in peace), sang..."Guns are
not the answer".
Mountanman, I don't see anything in Beverly's comment to suggest that
she's trying to make any choices for you. She's just saying that since
the health risk of having a gun in the home outweighs any benefit, it's sad
to see Utahns continue to take that risk.
@ Beverly. All you need to know about gun control is that the police carry guns
to protect themselves from criminals with guns, not to protect you from
criminals with guns! Criminals will not obey laws, including gun laws,
that's why they are criminals and we need to protect ourselves because a
gun in my hand is better than a cop on the phone. If you don't want to
protect yourself or your family, that's your choice, but you can't
make that choice for me or others.
It is refreshing to see gun safety as a lead in this story. The
instructor's statistics are on target. The NRA attempts to sell the idea
that Americans need a gun for self protection when in reality the gun they
purchase will more often be used by a family member to kill them or they will
use it to commit suicide. Being shot by a family member or committing suicide is
not a good selling point for the NRA. The instructor's statistic
don't help sell guns. A good Draper police sergeant, with a
wife and child, was killed this weekend by a guy with a gun. Why do we continue
to worship firearms in Utah? Tragedy after tragedy - it is a shame.
Very good story, aside from the pejorative gun "nut" used in the
headline.Mr. Robertson's views are not unique and his message
is pretty much what the National Rifle Association and its (mostly volunteer)
instructors have been teaching for decades. It is good to see this
in the media where some gun owners who are not well educated on safety might
learn a few things. Although, they really should take a class, from Mr.
Robertson, or many other instructors in the state. It used to be that gun
safety was part of the school curriculum, (and still is authorized by state law)
but seldom done any more.The Boy Scouts, 4-H, and JROTC programs all
teach gun safety, as well as hunter education, and concealed carry classes. Thank you Mr. Robertson for doing so much to help so many. Keep up the