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Published: Friday, Aug. 30 2013 2:45 p.m. MDT

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Obama10
SYRACUSE, UT

So he "talked dirty" to her and he got a citation? I'm confused. The police say there was no sex, so what exactly is the charge? Come on DNews, a little more info.

Cleetorn
Fuaamotu, Tonga

“When informed about the charge, a representative for the [Utah Youth Soccer Association] said [they] planned to take action against him.”

We don’t care if he’s guilty or not. We’re going to take action against him anyway. It doesn’t matter if he refutes the allegations. That he was merely accused is all that matters.

worf
Mcallen, TX

A person is innocent until proven guilty.

It's not uncommon for a teenager to make this up.

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

This is where I wish we could see who has the long wooded nose. We either have a man who got caught crossing over a line and this young lady did the right thing OR a young lady who has something to prove or has a vendetta against this man. (Or wants attention).

Being a foster parent for 25+ years I have had parents accuse us of abusing their children. Why? I am guessing that it makes them look better. Of course we were not but none the less by law we had to be investigated. Never fun and does not make you look good regardless of how innocent you are. Same here. If he is not guilty then he still will have to live with the repercussions especially when they hit the newspaper. If she is after some sort of attention etc I hope they go after her in a big way.

I just hope justice wins out for who ever is the guilty party.

BU52
Provo, ut

You want innocent until proven guilty? What country do you live in? Any young female can say anything they want about an adult male and he is guilty-BOOM. He loses his job and reputation and is publicly pilloried in the newspaper. Throw in the angle that he happens to be associated with a school and that will really make the story juicy, even though his job at the school had nothing to do with the allegation.

Cataldo
Farmington, UT

It seems a bit premature to report this. This could destroy someone's life if it was made up, and yet here is his picture and name. On the front page. For someone who doesn't seem to be a public menace.

Way to go.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Teachers are held to a higher standard than the president of the country.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

BU52,

"You want innocent until proven guilty? What country do you live in"

Are you saying that the doctrine shouldn't exist, or that it doesn't exist in this country?

If the former, you can easily get a real education on the subject and find that the burden of proof can only reasonably and fairly rest with prosecution, not defense. Anything less than this is oppressive, unjust, and insanely irrational.

If the latter, I agree. We've lost this in our country. But I also feel that just because something is lost, doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting for to get it back.

That's the way things were. That's the way they should be.

Middle of the Road
Home Town USA, UT

What if this man IS innocent and no one remembers that he didn't do anything? It sounds like it is way too early to spread this incident all over the front page. Goodness. These kinds of things can ruin a good man with a good reputation.

It seems like too many are casting stones without finding out or waiting for ALL the facts to surface.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Society has reached the point where we prefer the sensational and expect some sort of tragedy around every corner.

We have become so hyper-sensitive, and not completely without legitimate reason - to assign criminal intent to a wider spectrum of activity. All an adult has to do is say something, intended or not to a minor; which can be misconstrued as innuendo and without further explanation, the authorities report en mass to punish the fiend.

I would have to agree, reporting on this incident, though juicy and intriguing, was probably premature. I would not be surprised to find in reality that there was no malicious intent; and yet, we must have a guilty party to parade before the public in irons and punish.

Beaver Native
Garland, UT

The police have to take every allegation seriously and check it out. I would hate for an innocent man to be charged based on false claims, but at the same time I would hate to see a guilty man get the message that he can get away with it. Next time it could be worse. I would hope the police took into account all the facts, including the trustworthiness of both the victim and the accused, before making any charges. Hopefully, if the charges prove to be false, the community will act as though the charges had never been brought.

My thoughts are that there is probably enough evidence that there was an incident to justify the charge. I am sure that the police did an investigation before issuing the citation; especially since the incident happened in July and the information is just coming out.

At the same time, we need to put this into perspective. The coach has been charged with a misdemeanor, not a felony. Still, if guilty, he should not be coaching kids.

Bernard GUi
Puyallup, WA

Welcome to the new American system of justice. Charged, tried, convicted and sentenced by the press before the legal proceedings even begin.

Brother Benjamin Franklin
Orem, UT

I am shocked at the seeming disregard for keeping our children and adolescents safe from sexual predators.

First of all, this story proves why I will never put my kids in any public school system. If you cannot trust a school in Orem, you cannot trust it anywhere.

Second of all, this story proves why we need to stop blaming the media and the police for these stories. Wouldn't we rather report an incident and find it to be untrue than see a horrible tragedy as a result of not taking a report seriously enough?

What if this were your daughter? Would you not believe her and take her seriously? Would you not want the police and public to take you seriously and not just write you off as "making stuff up"?

At the same time, this gentleman must not be excoriated in the press or presumed innocent until proven guilty. We do not know all the facts; we must trust the legal system to do the job it was set up to do according to the United States Constitution.

Let us pray for the family of this victim and accused. They need our faith and prayers.

Crossfire5
Salt Lake City, UT

The major element in this case is that there are no witnesses. Unless there is any physical evidence that there was physical contact between the coach and the girl, how will there ever be a conviction? I wasn't aware that an accusation alone constituted probable cause for a citation, but I guess I was wrong. In any event, I believe that it is going to be very tough to make a case against Coach Enciso-Lezama without something more than just the word of the girl.

Brother Benjamin Franklin
Orem, UT

That being said, legally this coach as a responsible adult should have known better than to place himself in a vulnerable situation alone with a minor where no one would be able to attest as to what was happening and help put a stop to anything inappropriate that would have been occurring.

This coach was unwise by not having anyone around and even letting things progress to the point where an allegation would have any validity to begin with.

While he may or may not be guilty of sexual contact or even inappropriate touching or conversation, the fact remains that he is guilty of allowing himself and her to get into a situation alone where he could not have someone that could attest to that behavior. As a result, he will have no one to back him up.

Whether or not it is fair is irrelevant. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter. It is a fact and all other interpretations are a moot point. Even if he is exonerated of the charges, he will have to live with the mistakes he made in letting this happen.

LDS missionaries have it right: they have their companion with them.

Max
Charlotte, NC

It was extremely poor judgement for this man to be alone with this girl. This by itself was inappropriate. However, there should not be a rush to "take action against him". Let the investigation proceed. They certainly don't want another Duke Lacrosse nightmare where the rush to judgement caused players to be expelled and the coach fired. Duke faculty even signed a petition. Nobody was interested in waiting for the case to be heard. After the frenzy and damage done, the investigation concluded that the accuser had fabricated the whole thing.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The appropriate action for the district and the league is to suspend him until the case is resolved.
Maybe he's innocent, but if he isn't the district and league become liable for his actions from the moment they are informed of the charges. If it turns out he has other victims or NEW victims and these institutions do nothing, they take the blame. If you pay taxes in the ASD, that means you pay for it.
Maybe you'll get picked for the jury, then you can decide. Otherwise, the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence here to warrant filing charges. Let the court take it from here.

Mick
Murray, Utah

An adult male alone with a 17 year old girl? Bad, bad, bad decision.

xert
Santa Monica, CA

I think it would be helpful in cases like these to know if the accused has a history of these kind of allegations. If you tell me that this man has, say, worked around young people for years without the hint of an allegation I can read this kind of report without jumping to any kind of conclusions until all the facts are in. As al smith used to say...lets look at the record. I'm pleased to read so many posts here which advocate cool heads and not rushing to judgment. Des news? Your readers are showing better restraint than your reporters. Kids are kids and more prone to misstating events or outright fabrication because they know they will lose nothing in these situations and will probably be praised by their overprotective parents for being cautious even if this man is exonerated. Even if this should prove to be an outright malicious act for whatever purpose, she will not pay in any meaningful way. Meanwhile his life will still be turned upside down. Here's hoping its a misunderstanding and if it is, that the des news is quick to report that as well.

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