I have mixed feelings about this. 14 or even 15 million is a very small number
compared to the world population, and trying to make it sound impressive to
non-members is a losing proposition. Also, mentioning the Mormons in Sweden and
Ireland, in my mind, only draws attention to how extremely few of them there
are. I think my institute teachers had a better approach when they told us
quite candidly that the LDS Church is a very small one with a long way to go.
Granted, it will continue to grow, but I don't think we can expect it to
ever be particularly large by the world's standards, and I don't think
we should try to pretend it is now.
It is no longer a "Utah Church" yet we see videos played at the general
YW meeting showing a girl going to do baptisms for the dead before school.
That's great! But I suggest a new video showing youth outside of Utah going
to early morning seminary (since we don't have released time, and the
nearest temple from our town is 3 hours away, or more depending on traffic)
before school. That would help the Utah youth realize how blessed they are. (Our
local seminary students actually put together such a video.)
There are indeed more members of the Latter-Day Saint faith in other nations
today, and those in the United States were themselves gathered from many lands.
It is an international faith whose message will reach all nations eventually.
We should not confuse the Church, or its culture, with that of the
USA, although the New Jerusalem will be built here when the land is cleansed of
Yes, the numbers show that more LDS live outside of the United States.But the numbers also show that MOST people on the rolls of the Church no
longer attend any meetings or have anything to do with the Church, especially
outside of the U.S., and many people on the rolls of the Church do not even
identify themselves as LDS.IF you are going strictly by the numbers.
What is the fastest growing church in the U.S.?
A Scientist. I love it when someone throws statements out without any supporting
documentation. Where are these "numbers" of which you speak? There is
absolutely no way to track numbers like that. Interviews? How many? What were
the demographics? Of course, it's true that retention and inactivity are
challenges within the LDS church, but without actual numbers, it's a wild
guess as to how many remain active within or without the U.S. Also, how do know
that "many" do not even identify themselves as LDS? Nonsense. Pure
A Scientist: It doesn't matter. They are still considered members unless
they have their names removed from the records.
HEADLINE! NEWS FLASH! The majority of Mormons live outside the US!Thanks, Deseret News, for that up-to-the-minute information. What else
happened in 1996?
There is a problem of members remaining active in the church, what church? I
believe this is a problem within most religions. If you google what is the
fastest growing religion in the US, it says Islam. But also the younger
generation are turning away from their belief in Christ and following religion.
I am a Mormon, but I am happy if people are practicing any religion that teaches
to do good, this world is in great need of that.
It is NOT true that most members have nothing to do with the church. Some
members may be less active, or may have drifted into inactivity, but they are
still members, they still associate with members, and with the church, subscribe
to church magazines, have children who attend, have children who serve missions,
they attend the baptisms of their grandchildren, they are home taught by local
priesthood, and are still members in many other ways.
I like the Mormons, They have good intentions.
Even in the US, activity rates average below 50%. That means "most"
Mormons are not active, which means they have very little to do with the Church
on a regular basis.Outside of the US, activity rates average less
than 30%, and worldwide (including in the US), a significant number of people
whose names are on the membership rolls do not self identify as LDS in polls
such as those conducted by Pew, Gallup, and many others.These facts
are readily available to anyone who takes a small effort to look.Denial does not become you, Saints.
Good, now if only people would stop obsessing as if being a liberal is contrary
to the gospel when most nations outside the US are outright socialist.
How do you define "active". Can a person be "active" and attend
church twice a year?
To paraphrase an old axiom: "There are lies, 'you know what' lies,
and statistics." What can statistics, especially those taken from polls,
tell us? They can only describe conditions as they existed at the time of the
study and are restricted to responses to the questions on polling surveys. They
cannot accurately describe how individual responders (in this case,
"active" or "inactive" LDS membership) in the study feel, form
opinions, or act over time. Statistics are of limited use. Those who draw
conclusions from them must be careful not to extrapolate beyond the conditions
imposed by the statistical study. That's true for both sides of the issue
from earlier comments. Those of a scientific frame of mind must be just as
careful as those interested in the religious activity aspects of this article.
To A (The) Scientist and others interested in activity rates. For by blog
(shameless plug) "Blu Principles," I used seminary enrollment data,
Church membership data and country demographic data to estimate seminary
activity rates by country. Using these rates as a proxy for Church wide
activity suggests that about 6 million people worldwide affiliate with the
Church. This is a little higher than reported by PEW and probably reflects that
disaffiliation increases slowly as a person ages. If my numbers are correct,
about 60% of seminary students are enrolled in the U.S., but a significant
number, 2.3 million, attend in other countries where transportation is more
costly and the programs, less developed. Also, many countries place legal
regulation on the Church and other non-traditional, meaning those not in
European Christianity in 1400, lowering retention rates and affiliation
rates.Although activity rates are lower in other countries, it is
not uniformly so. Countries in Africa, Europe and the South Pacific also have
seminary enrollment rates similar to the U.S.Finally, Church
membership accounting practices may over report people who affiliate with the
Church but a consequence of this reporting method is an underestimation of
Wacoan: If your name is on church records you are a member
Thank you snowman. I hope you are holding up through the summer. It is 99
degrees in Waco right now and the heat index stands at 110. I know
that you are a member if your name is on the records of the Church. I am a
happy Ward Clerk, and I do admit that I have spend an hour or two hunting down
addresses. By disaffiliated, I refer to members who do not associate with the
Church, do not attend on Sunday, avoid home teachers and worse. Some leave
comments about how the Church is falling apart on Deseret News.
With this new stat it makes you wonder how long it will be before Heavenly
Father calls a Prophet that is not a white anglo American?
Hey J.D. Technically, it happened. John Taylor was born in 1808 in England.
He moved to Canada in 1832. Dieter F. Uchtdorf, a German, is on the current
The Scientist who uses numbers without actual facts to support. . . A 2009
Gallup Poll confirmed— members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints comprise the most conservative of the major religious groups in the
United States. Seventy-nine percent of Mormons attend religious services
weekly, almost every week, or monthly. That compares to 53% of the overall
American adult population who attend this frequently. . .
A Scientist - - - more numbers for your research. . . 2012, the Pew Research
Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life released a survey, the first
ever published by a non-LDS research organization to focus exclusively on
members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints… For the vast majority of Latter-day Saints surveyed, those life choices have
much to do with their religious beliefs. Eighty-two percent of survey
respondents indicate that religion is "very important" to them, 83
percent say they pray every day and 77 percent say they attend church at least
once a week. Beyond that, a stunning 69 percent of respondents fit all three
descriptions, saying that religion is very important to them, that they pray
every day and that they go to church every week.
The fastest growing church in the US is Seventh Day Adventist. People remain on
LDS 'rolls' till the age of 100 unless a death is reported earlier.
PEW and others report figures provided to them by the churches themselves, so
that depends on how transparent they choose to be. Anything that can bring more
moral fiber back into society and encourage people to love and do for others is
a good thing. I'd rather have a religion tossing BOM's at me than one
that tosses bombs.
Having spent decades reaching out to less active members of the church, these
are some personal observations I have made: (1) during periods of their
inactivity, priesthood leaders do not give up on individuals who have been
baptized; internally, they are clearly considered "members" of the
church; (2) most less active members still do consider themselves
"members" even though they may no longer attend meetings with any
regularity; (3) a very tiny percentage of less active members become so
embittered against the church that they no longer consider themselves
"members" and there is a process for these to have their names removed
from church membership records if this is their true desire; (4) many members
who have spent considerable time away from organized church activities choose at
some point in their lives to return to full activity and are routinely welcomed
back to the fold; and (5) we don't give up on those who stray, we
don't look down on them for their decision, we do forever consider them
fellow members and we welcome them home when they choose to return.
But, Wacoan, J.D. was referring to the potential of a Prophet that was NOT a
Caucasian. Both John Taylor and Dieter Uchdorf, while not American by birth,
are still Caucasian. I wonder about that, too, J.D. BRING ON THE SECOND
COMING! THE WORLD IS FALLING APART!
As mentioned in the article the majority of church members live outside the USA
and this is going to be increasingly the case as the church spreads to become
worldwide.Democrat and Republican are meaningless to the majority of
people outside the USA - there are different parties in different countries.
Also right and left are different in different countries. For example no party
would stand a chance of being elected if they dare to suggest any model other
than socialised medicine.
My opinion is if the 21st century is the "Century of Terrorism" - Alan
Watt, Conspiracy Theorist. Then Revelations speaks of Wars. So if the Mormons
don't fight in wars due to religious freedom (Babtism for the Dead)(Google
Brigham Young Chapter 36) Baby Nukes being used. The result should be less
hostile religions and more land for Temple work. =D Smoke 'em if ya have