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Published: Friday, Aug. 30 2013 2:10 p.m. MDT

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Kings Court
Alpine, UT

I pray to God every night that these anti-common core conspiracy theorists will just go away and do something more constructive with their time.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Oak, if this was really about kids' privacy, whey aren't you fighting the NSA's new data center? There was a protest about a month ago. Where you there? The NSA is recording your children's emails, web searches, phone calls, social media, photos etc, etc. The Common Core privacy intrusions are small potatoes compared to that. I think you have bigger fish to fry right now if your concerns really are privacy issues. In my interactions with your "anti" everything group over the years, I have come to know that this is really about fear and paranoia over government and an agenda to privatize public schools or give taxpayer money to for-profit corporate entities to administer or run schools Anything that might improve a public school is seen as a bad thing.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

This should not be a partisan issue. Those who support Common Core, or NCLB, or any other form of Federal interest in Education are absolutely clueless about our Constitution, States rights, and the whole concept of self government! I think public teachers by and large are doing the best they can under circumstances that prevent them from teaching children, rather than robots. Any type of federal control is about teaching robots and placing students into the American version of the Caste system. Those who want more federal control astound me with this cavalier attitude about federal control. It's the same bunch who support Obama, bush, or any other politician who walks in and confiscates your rights, money, and liberty and promising that they know best what to do with them. whatever happened to the dignity of giving people choices? Where has authoritarian Top-down leadership ever worked? If you asked some of these people what socialism is, or if there is any similarities of Common Core with it, they would shrug their shoulders and mumble something about the Tea party and extremist, uneducated citizens trying to destroy the government. No, actually, I just want a Republic, not a dictatorship.

Anissa
Heber City, UT

These are not crazy zealots, these are people who have studied out this issue more than our own state office of education and our very own state school board. If any of the naysayers here put in as much effort as those opposed to common core then there could actually be some dialogue. Not everyone has to agree either. If some like it and others don't, so be it, but first lets get the whole truth out on the table.

azamatbagatov
Lehi, UT

The common core is about having all students in the country meet the same benchmarks. If a student moves from California to Utah, it's nice to k ow they won't have to be behind or way ahead. There is nothing in them that puts a ceiling on student learning. They are the minimum requirements students should master before moving to the next grade or level.

As for evaluation methods, states choose how they will assess students. Teacher pay being tied to test scores is somewhat misleading Oak. Student growth from year to year using assessments is a component of teacher raises, as well as principal evaluations, and student and parent evaluations.

Seek to understand
Sandy, UT

Oatmeal: Shakespeare is listed in the CCSS text exemplars for high school students beginning in grade 9. There are several references to Shakespeare in the exemplars for high school students.

There are also many references in the text exemplars (these are suggested texts for students to study that would fulfill the spirit of the CCSS but are not "required" - just suggested readings that fit the goals of the CCSS) that are well-known and high quality - authors like Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglas, George Washington, Patrick Henry.

If you go to the CCSS website and go to the language arts standards, text exemplars you can read a list of them.

If the schools stop teaching high quality literature in English classes it won't be because of the CCSS. The CCSS text exemplars are high quality and most would be considered "classics".

Tchr4lifeinNC
LAUREL HILL, NC

Common Core is all about standardized testing, data mining, and creating a mess for the states and their school districts. With the amount of testing required, most states will be bankrupt within a year or two of Common Core! PEARSON owns our gov't and has the DOE in it's pocket. Google ALEC and see what they are about. You'll see all they want is to change public education into a money maker. My kid and my students are not for sale, thanks!

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

As I have said many, many times on these blogs, the curriculum doesn't matter when the delivery method is flawed by huge class sizes with ever increasing inexperienced and demoralized teachers.

tigger
AMERICAN FORK, UT

I just hope that people realize that not all people who are religious and pray are against the Core. I will not be mentioning this in my prayers. I don't think most of the religious people in this area will be either.

Extremists on either side Just. Seem. Nuts. to me.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Religion... poisons everything, especially education!

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Tchr4lifeinNC,

ALEC is an unbiased source of information? Wow that alone is frightening. You talk about a group trying to use the government to make money, that would be those who finance ALEC. I would suggest as many have that you actually look at the standards. Compare them to the previous standards. Their is no communist or socialist agenda. This is an attempt as has been mentioned many times already to standardize what a student should know when the graduate from high school. I would think that is a good thing, and alas had the ALEC and the KOCH Brothers thought of it first and been able to turn it into a money maker for them the same people opposing it would be supporting it as the greatest innovation in the history of education.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Being a Star Trek fan, common core resembles the BORG.

the truth
Holladay, UT

Common Core Opponents say plenty with substance,

The left just chooses to close they eyes and ears and believe whatever the leftist elites tell them to believe.

It's the proponents that offers nothing of substance, but substantiveless claims about common core.

Common core is fraught with problems, that is plain to see.

Yes common core has been around for decades, As others have noted here common core has been around for decades under many names, The same far left communist based plan.

If want to know more just search for "David Barton Explains How Common Core Poses Serious Problems" or "David Barton offers the truth about Common Core". Get some information, liberals.

If left refuse to view this information than that just confirms what I said.

If the left make personal attack on David Barton that again just confirms what I told you.

By the way true conservatives were against NCLB as well, but were unable to stop it. (another weak uninformed complaint from the left).

Common core is rotten to the core, flashy well intentioned(?) standards and all.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I also wish these people would pray for their children's teachers as in patience to deal with overcrowded classrooms with ELL students, special education students, students with criminal backgrounds, students with helicopter parents, students who refuse to work, students that depressed, students on drugs etc. along with dealing with non-stop innovations in pedagogy, curriculum and classroom management. It seems like these prayers are a bit misplaced on stopping something that won't matter to a hill of beans because of larger, more important issues regarding public education. These people seem to worried about the core curriculum but don't seem to care much that their children are put in classes with over 40 students. I think more study is in order before the praying but that's just me...

chemimagineer
Spanish Fork, UT

Amazing how many attacks by people claiming to know about Common Core but they know nothing...I had never even heard of Common Core until two years ago. The math Core required the 8th graders in the Nebo District to essentially take the 7th grade math over. The math teachers were upset with it -- and they questioned the value of the new curriculum. My daughter was threatened with not being able to receive a high school diploma for not taking the 8th grade Common Core math for fighting the system. She wanted to achieve an AA degree from high school to match her sister...but Common Core did not allow her to achieve all the math needed for the AA degree. Hence, she decided to teach herself math -- Algebra 1, Algebra 2 and Geometry with help from her mom and myself (mostly teaching herself).

Rural sport fan
DUCHESNE, UT

I wish the news would report that teachers still don't actually have textbooks for this core, or that the teachers that did try to create a curriculum were actually unable to teach the entire 9th grade core in one year, because it is simply too big.

I wish the news would report that teachers are totally and completely frustrated by the Common Core, yes, they wanted a higher standard, but this one is ridiculous. They are teaching matrices to 9th graders, because they can be used to solve systems of equations (if you are a computer programmer, no one else does it that way) but quadratics wait until 10th grade.
Ask your teachers about 11th grade math 3...it's a mystery, not enough training, no books, no one expects to get through it.

And the fact is the Feds did push it all, by threatening to cut budgets if the states didn't toe the line.

chemimagineer
Spanish Fork, UT

Amazing how many attacks by people claiming to know about Common Core but they know nothing...I had never even heard of Common Core until two years ago. The math Core required the 8th graders in the Nebo District to essentially take the 7th grade math over. The math teachers were upset with it -- and they questioned the value of the new curriculum. My daughter was threatened with not being able to receive a high school diploma for not taking the 8th grade Common Core math for fighting the system. She wanted to achieve an AA degree from high school to match her sister...but Common Core did not allow her to achieve all the math needed for the AA degree. Hence, she decided to teach herself math -- Algebra 1, Algebra 2 and Geometry with help from her mom and myself (mostly teaching herself).

It was very frustrating that at the center of Common Core is iron-fisted control. In addition we were told she could not pass the tests since she did not have all the NEW Common Core math stuff -- which for anyone familiar with these math levels is a joke.

chemimagineer
Spanish Fork, UT

Well, finally the school district allowed her to take the test about 2 months ago. She took all three exams at one time....and she achieved the highest score ever for those Competency Tests. She blew them away and showed the Common Core superiority claims are false. Common Core is pure control that dumbs down our brightest kids...and those promoting it do not like being outed -- you can hear them right here.

The new Common Core Science curriculum promotes the biggest untruth of this century -- Global Warming -- more programming. Yes, programming is what this is all about. The test scores throughout the country show it is a disaster. The literature and writing sounds more like Sal Alinsky's Rules for Radicals...including how to lie when writing to Senators to get what you want ...in first grade; how to elicit emotion instead of logic. Language is used that makes parental guidance sound "controlling" -- even when asking such things as cleaning the room.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

I am no conspiray theorist and I am firmly against Common Core. It is much more thant standards and testing. It is forced cirriculum based on a political agenda.

The book "Blue Eyes" is on the recomnmended reading for 11th grade. Teachers are using this book in our schools here in Utah. It is about graphic child rape from the perpetrator's perspective. This is now with the DAs office who is looking into child endangerment charges.

4th grade cirriculum includes a detailed discussion of masturbation, and attempts to remove "family stereotypes" so that kids can develop their own morals about this activity.

I am not a stupid parent. I have a master's degree, and am more qualified than any teacher in this State to teach my children. We are giving away our parental rights to public schools and their agendas.

On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

@RedWings, where in the 4th grade standards did you encounter the detailed discussion of masturbation? Was it in the math standards, or the English language arts standards? Which schools in Utah are requiring their students to read the book "The Bluest Eye"? Someone with a master's degree should have a profound appreciation for the importance of getting one's basic facts right before making strong claims.

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