The concept is simple. Utah has a tougher schedule in the Pac-12 than USU has in
the MWC. That is about all I got out of Brad's article. But, we already
knew that.Now, Utah probably would have beaten Oregon State this
week--but then again, Big Sky Eastern Washington beat the Beavers. I imagine
Eastern Washington and Weber State will have another competitive game this year,
so Utah better watch out for the Wildcats.
When homers write articles about their rivals......
Down underSalt Lake City, UT said:"CB is still going on
about winning but he fails to understand is that a WAC team nearly took you to
the shed. If this game would have been on the road or in a neutral site Utah
would have lost. So much for the Mighty PAC dominating the lowly WAC. Utah will
still finish the season in the basement of the PAC."Are there
any real BYU fans here? The same team nearly took the Cougars to the shed last
season. Yet you were gleefully here celebrating how you beat USU. So much for
BYU dominating as you said "the lowly WAC."
DuckThe Utes want to win their TWO regular season "bowl"
games this year. That is all. LOL
@waccyYou "can't believe" I'm actually asking for
a utah "fan", any utah "fan", to state utah's goals? Like I
said, it appears they have already attained them, there is nothing left to reach
for, at least not anything realistic. Sad.
DuckhunterHighland, UT@u 90Did utah already achieve its
"goal" with its pac12 invite and now that they are there that is all
there is to it or do they actually aspire to be something?The only
ridiculous thing here was your post and attempt to dodge the question. Maybe you
just don't have an answer? Or are all utah's goals already met?_______I can't believe you are actually saying this.
Perhaps you feel better about another teams goals, rather than the lump of
excuses that IS BYU football. If your goal is to sign prearranged sub par
bowl agreements, mission accomplished.If your goal is to continue a
tradition of losing to ranked teams, mission accomplished.Losing to Utah,
Let's load up Rocco with more good news for USU, so they can be "closer
to their goal":In checking the USU 2013 roster on line we see 22
seniors departing after this season, including Doughty, DeMartino, Caveman
Williams, VanLeewen, Tialavea, and if I was able to successfully do a quick scan
during the telecast, something like six of their 11 offensive starters,
including three from the O line front.Pretty clear indication if USU
doesn't "hit their goal" this year, it's going to be tough
sledding next year. What say Rocco, is there grist for your mill
here?--- Makes you wonder if Rocco may want to reassess his
'goal line stand"..... Here's a line of logic --- So
if you can't beat Utah with your current lineup of seniors, and (no doubt
about it) Utah is definitely stronger this year in their rebuilding, &
projects even stronger next year based on the current commits showing this year
plus existing commits on the team who are in the pipeline, Good Luck next
year.L O L!!!
EdGradyIdaho Falls, IDGood luck winning in the Pac-12 with
gimmicks.________Good luck masquerading as an elite
program. Nobody outside of Provo cares about a WAC legacy.
As Ute arrogance rises so does insensitivities to these baiting articles. LOL
Nothing like a Rock article hitting a raw nerve.The
insecure rantings of Ute fans, entertainment at its best.USU could
very well be the MWC champs in their inaugural season.Utes??? Uh,
well, uh, closer to a 3-9 or 4-8 season than they were 36 hours ago.Ah heck, let's declare the Utes this year's NC contender.Where's 'NCUteXXXX' when you need him?
myperspective, What hurts is you don't know for sure that we are wrong.
If Keeton runs three plays inside the 10, USU scores a touchdown and probably
wins the game. But, Keeton cramped up, the backup QB came in and ran two
obvious running plays, and USU settled for a fieldgoal. Kyle said it, right now
u are only an average football team. But cheer up. This win might get you into
a bowl game.
Down underSalt Lake City, UTCB is still going on about winning
but he fails to understand is that a WAC team nearly took you to the shed.-------------How so? Biggest lead anytime during the game
was 11 points: Utah 14 USU 3.This is the same fan-base that thinks
the better team was the one that was taken to the shed 54-10 at home.
"But the Utes defense was often frozen or missing when Keeton tucked and ran
— which was early and often. In fact, the Aggies appeared less scared and
better prepared." -- RockTrue until the Utah finally showed up,
after trailing 14-23 at the 11:52 mark of the 3rd Qtr we dominated according to
stats:* USU ~85 yards and 3 points* Utah ~200 yards and 16
pointsUtah was anything but impressive but those stats give me hope
that we can get better. Next test is Oregon State.Go UTES!!
Ever heard of bitter losers that incessantly try to validate themselves by
jealously bagging on their big brother, since they can't beat him?...Now
duck,Utah's goal right now is to beat Weber State. Call me a
week from tomorrow so I can tell you what their new goal will be. duh!
Ever heard of bitter winners? Now you have.LOL!
Down under"CB is still going on about winning but he fails to
understand is that a WAC team nearly took you to the shed. If this game would
have been on the road or in a neutral site Utah would have lost. So much for the
Mighty PAC dominating the lowly WAC. Utah will still finish the season in the
basement of the PAC."The only thing factual about your comment
is that the Pac is, in fact, "Mighty." The WAC is gone and USU is a
very dangerous team...just like last year. Speaking of last year, byu put up a
whopping 6 point against the Aggies. Big accomplishment. You and your cronies
are doing a lot of talking for a team that has yet to play USU or even their
first game of 2013. As for the "basement of the Pac," we
would much rather be there than associated with the glorified high school that
That may be the dumbest article I've ever read on college football in the
State of Utah. USU, although they lost, will do better than Utah will in
USU's weaker conference. Therefore, they are the ones who really ought to
be celebrating today.Priceless.
CB is still going on about winning but he fails to understand is that a WAC team
nearly took you to the shed. If this game would have been on the road or in a
neutral site Utah would have lost. So much for the Mighty PAC dominating the
lowly WAC. Utah will still finish the season in the basement of the PAC.
Truth Machine: You people are insufferable. USU returned the 2nd most
experience of any program in the country from a very successful season and byu
fans (yes, byu fans) are on this article making a case for USU being the better
team. Seriously?? I might expect something like that from Aggies (though
frankly they have more class than that) but byu fans using USU in an attempt to
diminish what the Utes accomplished is pathetic. Pathetic...pretty well sums up
the glorified high school that is byu and its jealous fan base.
@u 90But my post was completely on topic. This had nothing to do
with BYU, Rock's article was about which team was in better position to
achieve what they have set out to do and he rightfully pointed out usu is that
team.My question was a real one by the way, what are utah's
goals? utah "fans" like to mock BYU fans over their stated goals for
their program but what are utah's? Everyone's "goal" is to win
games but what does utah want to achieve overall this season and long term? Whay
are utah "fans", and for that matter whittingham, so afraid to state
their goals? Is it a fear of falling short if they set them high or is it an
acknowledgement that they know they cannot reach them?Did utah
already achieve its "goal" with its pac12 invite and now that they are
there that is all there is to it or do they actually aspire to be something?The only ridiculous thing here was your post and attempt to dodge the
question. Maybe you just don't have an answer? Or are all utah's goals
Oh yeah....no one thought "candy cane" about stripe the stadium keep
Is this guy for real. I usually read the Trib but came over to see what was
being said and and found Monson lite with a bigger chip. State has Boise, San
Diego and Air Force to contend with and the team I saw last night will be lucky
to win 2 of the three. Get a life....
Since when has yardage gained ever been more important than efficiency? Drew
Brees threw for over 5,000 yards and 34 TDs in one season, and 4,300 yards and
34 TDs in the next. Based on your theory, he was more successful in missing the
playoffs, completing 5% fewer passes and throwing 6 more INTs than he was as a
Super Bowl MVP because his 2008 yardage blew away his 2009 yardage.Keeton looked great, but he turned the ball over, failed to convert when he
needed to, and lost. Wilson DIDN'T turn the ball over, CONVERTED when he
needed to, and WON.YARDAGE doesn't matter. WINNING matters. Get
@Duckhunter:Why speak of goals, when pretty much the only
"goal" you should be worried about...is having your TDS cougies earn a W
on Sept. 21st? U 90 is spot on. Quit worrying about non-issues such as Quest
For Perfection; Tradition, Spirit, Honor (they forgot Integrity and Humility);
and "National Championship this year" (straight out of Bishop
Mendenhall's mouth). Start focusing on simple things, such as beating your
first opponent, and more importantly, beating your Big Brother to the North, the
University of Utah. Start there, and then everything you say won't be
considered pure gibberish and smack talk. GO UTES
@deep blueAfter last night's loss I doubt that USU could win five
games with Utah's schedule this year. Winning against weak teams may make a
team look good in the win loss column but everyone knows a fraud when they see
it ( aka. BYU and USU) The smart money next week takes AFA over USU. Like
I said in the first sentence the only stat that really counts is the scoreboard.
Utah owns USU again.
Duckhunter,It's not that complicated. Utah's goals are to
win games. So far, so good 1-0.Maybe you can worry about what
BYU's goals are this year; questing for perfection, putting nifty slogans
on the back of their jerseys or on t-shirts, preparing for Anae 3.0 in 2016, not
going 3-9 against an irrelevant football program. Quit trying to
stir the pot.... Your posts are ridiculous most of the time and oh so easy to
@Silent Lurker- You took the words almost right out of my mouth. The Heisman
Trophy contender had 12 more passing yards than Wilson did but it took him 12
more attempts and 14 more completions to get those 12 yards. Both had 2 TDs and
0 INTs as you mentioned. I give Chuckie credit for passing the eye test better
than Wilson; he is so much more fluid and looks more in command but that does
not necessarily translate into a winning QB or a winning team as evidenced by
last night's game. Chuckie is a better runner and that makes him dangerous
but Wilson showed he can run when he needs to. A 3 yard run on 3rd-and-1 to ice
the game > 80 yards and a touchdown in a losing effort.@DeepBlue- More IS more30>26@Truth- Since when is
yardage gained MORE important than the final score?
rock definately got the utah "fans" in a huff LOL!His point
is solid, usu is in much better position to achieve their goals than utah is,
providing utah's goals aren't just to not get embarrassed.So what are utah's goals? Are they small like finishing .500
so they can go to a bowl game? Or are they bigger than that like winning the
pac12 south? Or are they bigger still like going to the rose bowl or even the
playoffs?If the ute's goals are on the small end, and based on
the last 2 years they probably should be, then they might be almost as close to
achieving them as usu is to achieving their's. But if utah's goals are
larger then they are far from them, they might NEVER achieve them.I
wonder what utah's "goals" really are? Maybe someone can enlighten
MyPerspectiveSince when is efficiency MORE important than actual
yardage gained?Are you really going to argue that a half-back that
came into a game and threw one pass for 30 yards and a TD had a better game
passing than a QB who completed 20 of 30 passes for 250 yards and 2 TDs simply
because the half-back was more "efficient"?Are you really
going to argue that a QB who scrambled for one long 50-yard gain and only took
one sack for a five yard loss had a better game rushing than a running back who
rushed 20 times for 120 yards simply because the QB was more
"efficient"?If you can legitimately argue those points, then
we'll accept your argument that efficiency trumps actual yardage.
DeepBlue: Wrong. As Silent Lurker correctly notes, USU's pass efficiency
was well below Utahs's. I think they had more plays as well which makes
their rush efficiency less as well. I don't think your assertion of being
outplayed is worth much. The results are on the scoreboard. I
suppose your definition of being outplayed is what Mendenhall had in mind when
he said the "better team lost" in 2010...then 2011 came along. End of
story! LOL!byu will have their hands full in Logan. GO AGGIES!
@deepblue,That's how you prove you're the better team-- by
winning the game. You sound like the BCS bowl committee when you ignore
on-field results and rely instead on personal opinions.
Silent LurkerMore is more. USU > Utah314 >
302 passing173 > 148 rushing487 > 450 totalIt
wasn't by much, but Utah State outplayed U in every offensive category
except points scored.The Utes won the game, but they didn't
prove they are the better team. That will be determined by results for the
christy"you'll just have to trust us that fighting for a
Pac 12 title is infinitely better."When have the Utes ever
"fought" for a PAC 12 title?Splitting one-for-one in the
annual pillow fight in the Rockies doesn't make U a conference title
contender, in fact, at 4-5 in 2011, 3-6 in 2012, and 7-11 overall, you
haven't finished above 8th in the conference, let alone been in contention
for a title.Before declaring yourself a title contender you might
want to try beating at least one PAC team with a winning record first.The Aggies will win their first MWC title long before the Utes even sniff a
PAC title.Mark it Down!
So Utah was out played by Utah State Huh? Perhaps someone should remind Brad
that the point of the game is to win. (30-26 Utah)Ut.St's highly touted
Heisman candidate QB passed for exactly 12 more yards than Utahs unheralded
soph. QB. The Aggie offence produced 37 more yards than the Utes. The Utes
averaged 10.8 yards per pass compared to 7.9 for the aggies. The aggies rushed
for 25 more yards than the Utes. Both QB's passed for two touchdowns.
Special teams and kicking and penalties all favored the Utes. Yep, sure looks
like the aggies were a dominate team. Maybe when they clean up the penalties and
fix the kicking game they will be a good team. Bottom line is the aggies were
out coached and out played and scored by as better team.
Brad Rock gets paid to stir the pot and ask tough questions. As a fan, I get to
be happy for a win in tough game. I'm happy to see our offense and defense
each improve as the game wore on. I do have some concerns, but I know the
players and coaches will work on the weak spots. To my fellow Ute fans,
don't let Rock get under your skin. That's what he's trying to
do and you're letting him do it.
It looks like Erickson was a good hire for the Utes. The offense was somewhat
better than I expected. They would make a good team in the MWC but I don't
think unless things really change they will do well in the PAC 10 + 2.
notice the title:"THEIR" warNot "the"
warYes, aggies are closer to a WAC 2.0 championship than Utah is to
a Pac 12 championship.And having done both, you'll just have to
trust us that fighting for a Pac 12 title is infinitely better.But
again, since you don't you, you'll just have to trust us!Go Utes!Good luck in your WAC 2.0 title pursuit!LOL
Malihini:What hype do Ute fans have to buy into this year? We've been
told we're underdogs in almost every game we play. Ute fans are stoked
about a win last night and hopeful for a lot more in the future. Isn't that
what a fan is supposed to be?
I will cede one thing:utah has a place kicker.
Christoph b "Well a WAC 2.0 championship is not exactly the same
thing as a Pac 12 title."How would U know? The Utes
only won two conference championships during 37 years in the WAC, and have never
even sniffed a PAC championship, and may not, for decades.For all
their talk, the Utes are struggling just to keep pace with the Aggies.
The Cougs will dominate the Independant conference this year.
Brad Rock says "Another addition was Utah’s first-ever “stripe
the stadium” promotion. Fans were urged dress in red or white, according
to seating sections. Not necessarily the image a football team wants —
candy cane."Really Rock? That's one of your criticisms of
the game? You sound like a troll in the comments section. (For some reason)
You're paid as a sportswriter for a newspaper. Readers expect intelligent,
insightful observations. You're falling short.
Football fans in the state of Utah need to own up and realize that neither of
these teams are all that good. Fans have bought into the preseason hype and
they should objectively see that these are two mediocre teams that will do
nothing on a national level. USU had their run last year but this year they
have just lost too much. That's the way it goes with developing programs,
they don't have the depth to reload every year. Utah is a program that is
way overhyped with their fans flying the Pac-12 banner as they cry for respect.
But the fact is, they have done nothing in the Pac-12 and it looks like they
will not do much this year. Again, they may have a "special" year every
so often, but not this year. The bottom line is that as much as fans
from this state hate to admit it, their college football teams are what they
are....fun to watch for the locals but nothing special on a national level.
Good luck winning in the Pac-12 with gimmicks.
Brad is right on... but perhaps not as critical as he could have been in one
crucial area - the glaring difference in quarterback play.Wilson was
very lucky on a few of his completions. He delivered some of his throws while
falling backwards, even with no defender in his face, and his mechanics were
very, very poor. Its hard to believe they can't either coach an
improvement in his technique or insert a quarterback with more promise. His
numbers were better than his skillset.Keeton, on the other hand
looks like the real deal. He has a quick delivery and great touch on his throws
- not to mention his tremendous footwork and feel for the game. If he had not
been hampered by his foot cramps (or whatever his injury was}, the game may have
turned out differently.The Aggies have a star quarterback. The Utes
were lucky to win with theirs.
Well a WAC 2.0 championship is not exactly the same thing as a Pac 12 title.We won!Like I said we would
Sounds like the Rock Monster and Chuckie have a Bronco/Riley Nelson
relationship. Could you be any more negative towards the Utes Brad? I thought
media was supposed to be impartial...try re-writing this article and have it on
my desk in the morning
I didn't watch the game, but all I needed to see was one thing: the Utes
won. And, that's the bottom line. A win is a win. From a BYU fan's
perspective, I'm expecting tough games from both of these teams, just like
A fake kick-off to catch up on the scoreboard with the dominating 300+ yard
offense in 1st half by USU.Ute fans are questioning their team
Wow, Rock shook the hornets nest with this article. Nervous, utes? A bit
sensitive, aren't we? His point is valid -- the product USU put on the
field last night has a much better shot at competing in the MWC than the utes
have in the PAC. Why should that be so surprising or maddening to ute fans?
Nothing the national media hasn't been stating for weeks. Yeah,
utah's passing yardage was better and Wilson threw the ball well. But if
not for Reilly and Orchard finally stepping up at key moments and a great
on-sides kick, that would have been a VERY embarrassing loss for the utes and
the PAC. Sheesh, take a deep breath, fellas....
Good article Brad Rock. The analysis of both teams was spot on. But for the one
on-side-kick trick play that happened to work out for the kicking team, Utah
State wins this one.
The Utes were really lucky to win that one. The Aggies are clearly the better
No question Utah still has to get better. But last night was a quality win
against a quality opponent. USU has a senior QB with a lot of experience, their
entire O-line, including a center on the outland trophy watch list, back from
last year, and a head coach who was with the program last year. Anybody that
thinks that a bunch of returning players that were well-coached can't carry
that over to the next season, under a new head coach, needs to look no further
than the beginning of the Gary Crowton era. I am still worried about the utes
getting bowl eligible. But not because they won't be a quality football
team, but because they play one of the toughest schedules in the country this
Once again the aggies lose. This season will be a long one for Logan.
That's a fact.
Brad,You seem to be a glass half empty kinda guy tonight. The Utes
did gain 125 more yards and scored 10 more points than last year vs. the Aggies.
The defense could also improve in 2013 with the return of Blechen and the Miami
transfer Gionni Paul. Maybe those things will factor in to one of your future
Another article very lacking in any sort of realistic perspective by Brad Rock.
First of all, since when did 450 yards of total offense and 30 points against a
top-25 statistical defense returning most of its starters become a disappointing
showing? Not to mention Utah just had its first 250-yard passing game since
2010. In what ways is that not an improvement by Erickson, particularly for a
first game? Secondly, Utah St is a VERY good team. Frankly, I think they're
good enough to beat half of the PAC-12. They probably should have beat Utah
tonight too. But for some timely penalties and a gutsy and well-executed onside
kick, they probably would have. Credit to the Utes for getting it done, but do
not go to sleep on the Aggies. Both teams looked better than last year in my
opinion. As with many columnists in Utah, it seems the only way Rock
knows how to produce any sort of commentary is by being glass half-empty on all
things sports-related in Utah. A little research and perspective go a long way,
Surprise surprise, another Debbie Downer article about the Utes from Brad Rock,
it's almost a given. Brad, in case you didn't notice, Utah won. Did
the Utes play poorly in some facets of the game, yes, but scoreboard still says
they won. I know it's painful for you Brad. You know what is going to be
even more painful for you? When the Utes hand you're Cougars their fourth
straight loss to the Utes. Go Utes!
"Although the Utes won, the prevailing mood was that even in losing, USU is
closer than Utah to its goal."Says who, Rock? You? So let me
get this straight...Utah loses, you bag on the Utes. Utah wins, you bag on them
anyway. Yep, you must work for the Deseret News."Prevailing
mood??" Based on what?
"Saturday’s 30-26 win over Utah State"???What happened to my
Friday? Am I in the Twilight Zone?
"who combined for 399 yards alone." Combined with himself? This
writing needs work. The article also fails to give enough credit to USU. Utah
beat a very good team tonight. A team that won 11 games last year and has
likely improved this year (although it is too early to tell). I watched enough
of USC-Hawaii tonight to form an opinion that the Aggies have a very good shot
to beat the Trojans. Utah has a lot of things to work on, but
I'm pleased with Wilson's development in the offseason. I think they
had more big yardage pass plays this game alone than all of last season.
Chuckie is the best USU QB in more than a generation. The game isn't close
with they typical USU QB.