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Published: Thursday, Aug. 29 2013 2:40 p.m. MDT

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Christmas Carole
LAS CRUCES, NM

@Eliyahu
Since I once lived in Utah, it would probably be a WONDERFUL experience for your community AND you if you chose to become a part of it...

THANK YOU! Abby for a very pleasant, positive, smooth flowing article...I enjoyed it immensely!

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: EternalPerspective, Mormon doctrine is compatible?

Origen believed in the Platonic pre-existence and transmigration of souls. The Council of Constantinople .. in 453 CE posthumously excommunicated him.

Ecc 12:7)… the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence.

One greater than the temple has come! Jesus Christ. It is in Christ’s church–as Jesus’ mystical body–that we find the fulfillment of the O. T. prophecies regarding Jerusalem and the Mountain of the Lord. The promise of a land, will be fulfilled in a new heaven and earth in the consummation (cf. Romans 4:13; Hebrews 11:9-10).

The N.T. teaches that Christ is the New Temple . Christ’s body is the true temple–as Paul puts it, “For we are the temple of the living God” (2 Corinthians 6:16)–What use remains for a future literal temple?

That to which the temple had pointed, is now a reality through the work of the Holy Spirit.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

‘More alike than you think: Mormons and Jews’

and I might add --

‘More alike than you think: Mormons and Muslims’

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

They have all humanity in common. It's religion that divides them.

BigBuddha
Chandler, AZ

uh..umm..uh..well uh...hmm Jewish people do not believe that Christ is the Savior.I think I will stop right there.Great people great culture and history but that is a HUGE difference

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

One important distinction here is that a lot of the similarities are between Mormons and Orthodox Jews. The comparisons rather fall apart when Reformed Judaism is used instead.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@sharrona

"Origen believed in the Platonic pre-existence and transmigration of souls. The Council of Constantinople .. in 453 CE posthumously excommunicated him."

And Constantine who was a pagan ordered the council. That gives a lot of credibility, a council doing its business supervised by an unbeliever seeing as Constantine was never baptized until he was on his death bed.

"The N.T. teaches that Christ is the New Temple . Christ’s body is the true temple–as Paul puts it, “For we are the temple of the living God”

How can the son of perdition sit in the temple If Christ’s body is the temple?

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

(2 Thes 2:3-4)

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I've always thought Mormons and Jews have a lot in common.

Scientist,
I don't think either side should be offended. Even on the simplistic level of the article. They have even MORE similarities if you do a more in depth analysis.

They should... in theory they have common roots.

I've had many conversations with people of the Jewish faith and never seen either side get offended. Mormons have no beef with Jews. The only beef Jews have with Mormons I know of is the doctrine of baptism for the dead. And if they don't think Mormons have the valid priesthood authority to do a valid baptism that God would consider binding in the afterlife... then the act has no validity or affect, so what do you have to worry about? And if Mormons DO have the valid Priesthood authority to conduct saving ordinances that are actually binding in heaven... then why would you not want them?

But either way... nobody needs to be offended. People of other faiths could baptize me all day and I'd just thank them kindly.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

@ 2bits:
"The only beef Jews have with Mormons I know of is the doctrine of baptism for the dead."

The issue we have with proxy baptisms of our people is at least twofold. First, many of those subjected to such "baptisms" were Jews who died in nazi camps because of who they were; that is, because they were Jews. They died because they were Jewish, and now someone would have the chutzpah to pretend to convert them to a religion they vehemently rejected while alive and able to choose. Secondly, some Mormons have done proxy baptisms of most, if not all, of the nazi hierarchy, and there's not a one of us who would willingly consent to being made a member of any church to which they belong.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE:zoar63, (200 A.D. On Souls), Tertulllian, wrote against the Platonic doctrine the Pre-existence of the soul and the Pythagorean(occult) doctrine of transmigration, re-incarnation.

i.e.,(Ecc 12:7)… the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

In (2Tim 1:9 & Titus 1:2)God existed before time, implying he created time.

The Temple for Christians is Jesus,“destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19). Jesus spoke of the destruction of the temple,he was speaking of his own body (John 2:22).

But for Jews,the temple in Jerusalem needs to be rebuilt to continue sacrifices.

(2 Thes 2:3-4)Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God....

*Allusions to Isa 14:13-14; Dan 11:36; Ezek 28:2-9.

RE: EternalPerspective, devotion to Jesus Christ?

… this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses' day, namely, Sacrifice, will be continued.(HofC v.4 p.211-21)JS, false prophecy.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

It starts with the Abrahamic Covenant --

Isaac and Ishmael spilt.
Their posterity eventually falls away.

Moses is called for a restoration.

There is another falling away,
Jesus is born, and
There is another restoration.
and
There is another falling away.

1830
God calls yet another restoration.

Of course they are similar.
It all revolves around that very same Abrahamic Covenant,
to which the Jews, Islam, and Latter-Day Saint Christians all claim privilege to.

iNKSpot
Wilsonville, OR

Moslems have large families, dietary restrictions and modest dress. Wouldn't it be great if we all got along?

HappyFeet123
Rexburg, ID

One of the most signifigant similarities between Latter Day Saints and Jews, and a similarity that dwarfs all others, is that they are the only two groups of people in the world who have maintained their individual identities as members of the House of Israel as established in ancient times

Shazandra
Bakersfield, CA

Whatcha drinkin' in Rexburg, Happy Feet? All my kin are from Rexburg and I love it there, but LDS do not hail from Biblical times any more than any other ethnicity. The Ethiopian Jews are far closer to their tribal connection than any claim from Euro-Ephraimites. Just getting a patriarchal blessing sans any genetic or valid geneological evidence is no more verifiable than an African witch doctor's pronouncements, per the scientific/historic/legitimate community. Adherants can believe and claim anything they wish; but we now know that no 7 ft. Quakers inhabit our lunar luminary...

Remember, there are no archeological or historic evidences for one iota of the BoM. You can believe in it, just not claim that there are any cities, weapons, pottery or physical proof. Hence, the Smithsonian refusal to allow any Nephite-Lamanite claims or suppositions.

There is also no Biblical or historical verification that any ancient Jewish temple, Solomon or Herod's, was ever used for weddings, sealings, baptisms, et al.

Heck, growing up Mormon, I thought we were spiritual Israel...

Shazandra
Bakersfield, CA

Unbelievable, the comments and claims here. If DN editors will post any LDS claim, why don't they allow the challenges to preposterous claims and patently false statements?

'My people perish for lack of knowledge' comes to mind.

1- Libs and Eternal Perspective live in their own universe. "Cult" has 10 Webster defs, 9 of them harmless but accurate. Don't bristle if the shoe fits. Semantics need clarification, not trite escape.

2- No bonafide Biblical Christian group is jealous of the increase of false gospels, or the success of the fastest rising converts in the world- Islam. Remove jealousy from the debate and read Matthew 28:19. Our Lord made it clear the command and the sacrifice.

All else saddens true followers of the historic, Biblical Christ.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Shazandra,

From a recent Jewish news site:

“A 2,000-year-old mikveh (ritual bath) has been uncovered just 20 meters from the Western Wall. Given its location just outside the Holy Temple - where untold numbers of Jews regularly immersed before entering - the newly-revealed pool is among the largest ever discovered in Jerusalem.”

No, not in the temple. But real close.

As to the BOM? All I can say is that when I joined the church over 35 years ago, there was a lot less evidence than there is now. Circumstantial? Sure. But nevertheless more each year.

The Quakers on the Moon thing is a real stretch.

But you are right, “My people perish for lack of knowledge”.

Mormonism is as much of a cult as early Christianity.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@Shazandra

"Remember, there are no archeological or historic evidences for one iota of the BoM. You can believe in it, just not claim that there are any cities, weapons, pottery or physical proof. Hence, the Smithsonian refusal to allow any Nephite-Lamanite claims or suppositions."

If Joseph Smith made up the BOM then the same claim could be said about the New Testament since the oldest manuscripts of the four gospel writers only can be dated to c.200 and those are just fragments. No complete books exist. The letters of Paul c.175-225 also just fragments. Those fragments are nice to know they exist but it is like reading a book with missing pages. What information did the missing pages contain? The only book that is complete is 3 John but that is dated c.350. But The argument can be raised that 3 John could have been written by someone living during that time period seeing that there are no earlier documents to verify what was written by John. The earliest complete copy of the New Testament, the Codex Sinaiticus dates to the 4th century.

The Solution
Las Cruces, NM

Eliyahu,

My boy was friends with another Jewish boy his age, and as a result, we were invited to his Upsherinish. It was really cool and fun. I loved the sense of community that that Jewish sect had with each other. I understand what you are saying about not being part of the community, and I respect and get that.

There is a great misunderstanding of the doctrine for baptisms for the dead. It is not "posthumous baptism." When we perform the ordinance, the person in question is not part of our faith. In the next life, IF that spirit chooses to accept the ordinance, than it will become binding, but otherwise has no effect. That is why we perform them for as many as we can regardless of who they were. We leave the judgement to Christ, and it may be that baptism is denied to those nazis who committed horrific acts against your people. Nevertheless, we (LDS) will not assume His judgement.

I understand where you are coming from, and why you view this as a slap in a face to these Jews' faith. Understand we thought it was an act of kindness.

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