donn:I am late to this discussion so I suppose no one will read
this. To him that implied or asked how are we different than Biblical
Christians? We are not different. We are, however, different from Contemporary
Christianity.To Don, you say so much that is wrong. For example,
polygamy existed at the time of Christ among the Jews and continued with
Catholics and even Protestants and other societies and cultures. it was not
until after 1000 AD (I think) that monogamy became prevalent in western culture.
Just an example of your erroneous assumptions. Search the web for
Blaine Robison's article on the history of Polygamy. It's been updated
this year from it's previous publication in 2006. This will surely give you
and others a different world view presently as well as anciently before any of
us were born.
Can't wait for these videos to be available in other languages...
I am so grateful for the Gospel of Jesus Christ which has added dimension to my
life and has filled in the missing pieces of the puzzle of my life. It has made
it more glorious and expanded my vision of my purpose here on earth and given me
an eternal perspective. I love the Church because I know that it is
up to me to find out the truth. It is not up to anyone else but me. I know I can
pray and Heavenly Father will let me know what is right. It is His promise to
us, His children. Would a parent want less for their child? Because I tested His
promise, I no longer hunger for the truth. I am no longer unsettled now that I
know truth. The truth of the Gospel set me free. Truth does that.For
those worried and concerned about the Gospel. Work hard to find out for
yourself. Just study the words of God, pray and let your mind be opened to a
marvelous education that you can receive from our Heavenly Father, through his
son, Jesus Christ. It is truly a higher education.
@ donn asked: But why is there no evidence of them in the early centuries,
before the alleged apostasy began?This is the fullness of times when
all the 6 dispensations come together just prior to the 2nd coming of Christ.
What law did the people of God follow before Moses came along? The prophets of
each dispensation were Adam, Noah, Abraham, and then Moses. It took Moses to
tell the stories of the 3 before him. Then Moses and the following prophets
after him all testified of the coming of Christ. When Jesus came.. you had the
Apostles and their companions that testified what he said and did. Then..
nothing. Not a word from God in 1800 years. Now with Joseph.. the Lord
revealed more. He reveal new things as well as things that had been known before
but was lost due to man interjecting his own understandings and of course.. just
plain ole greed. Money buys you salvation.But with the second
coming of Christ just being around the corner, how can one really expect no
angels.. no heavenly messengers, no prophets, no revelation, no preparation?
Really? Nothing? Yet.. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Thanks, MrNirom, for making the point that we do whenever asked why Biblical
Christianity excludes all "other"/different gospels "than the one we
delivered to you", (Galations 1-3). All aberrant gospels just come up with
what they prefer, can understand, or want to "reveal" and implement.
All men have that agency. But then they can also opt right out of God's
delivered gospel, and many have.And will anyone answer Layton
1. Man can not become God in this life.. it is part of an eternal progression.
But isn't it nice that we can grow up and become just like our Father. To
follow in his footsteps. What a way to add to his glory!2. God use
to be a God of parts and passions before the Christians allowed a non christian
to create a God greater than what was known in Rome. This definition of God
that Christians believe today. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract,
absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable,
without body, parts, or passions and dwelling outside space and time.. does not
sound like a God I could love and would love me.3. To minimize sin
we have control over is the commandment God gave to man. OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS.
If he can change me to not sin.. why does he not do it without any assistant
needed on my part? Oh yea... that thing called agency. The choice to chose
right from wrong. And who's choice? The change comes by wanting to do
good. But you still have to do it! Thanks donn for giving me a chance to
An introduction to the LDS Church, its members and its various doctrines,
programs and organizations.The fact is that the only church with an
unbroken historical line to apostolic days is the Catholic Church. Even many
Protestants acknowledge this, though they argue that there was a need for the
Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century.RE: zoar63,As
non-Catholic historians admit, it can be demonstrated easily that early Church
writers, such as Ignatius of Antioch, Eusebius, Clement of Rome, and Polycarp,
had no conception of Mormon doctrine, and they knew nothing of a "great
apostasy." Nowhere in their writings can one find references to Christians
embracing any of the peculiarly Mormon doctrines, such as polytheism, polygamy,
celestial marriage, and temple ceremonies. If the Church of the apostolic age
was the prototype of today’s Mormon church, it must have had all these
beliefs and practices. But why is there no evidence of them in the early
centuries, before the alleged apostasy began?
Nebulous, incomplete, Mormonism Lite.And you are different from
Biblical Christians how?
Donn,The basic beliefs are 1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Chirst. 2
Repentance 3 Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins. 4 The laying on of
hands to receive the gift of The Holy Ghost and by keeping the commandments the
Holy Ghost will reveal to you the truth of all things.None of those
appear to be are on your list.
@Danny Chipman "I just wish it was "Jesus Christ" blown up in
big font instead of "Mormons". I've never been comfortable with the
emphasis of "Mormon" over Christ. I think the nickname ought to be done
away with completely, at least amongst ourselves"It is an honor
to be known by that name. Here is where the name originates and what was taking
place at the time. Read this I think you will change your mind about that
nickname And I do not think Christ would be offended by it.Mosiah
RE: The Deuce,I am interested in learning more about the basic beliefs of the
LDS faith. OK,1 Deify man: Man can become God. 2. Humanize God, Deny
God is one eternally. 3. Minimize sin, Instead of man’s very nature. 4.
Ostracize and add to scripture 5. A diiferent Jesus (exalted man) 6. Different
spirit(familiar)7. Secret sacreds or sacred secrets closed to the outside 8.
The only true church …..and many more.
I just wish it was "Jesus Christ" blown up in big font instead of
"Mormons". I've never been comfortable with the emphasis of
"Mormon" over Christ. I think the nickname ought to be done away with
completely, at least amongst ourselves.
I was quite enthused to see these new videos - clicked on the arrow and it came
up and said were not working...Very disappointing.
The rock is rolling forth! These videos will get us so many baptisms.
Brother Benjamin,I think you are worrying a little too much about
what other people think. While the topics you mentioned are sometimes a
curiosity for outsiders, these are not necessarily things that people are
demanding to know the answers to right this second. There is no
Inquisition...However, I think these other topics and the view of
members outside Utah is a great idea as the church is much more about these
topics and people than things in (mostly) in our past. Whenever I read an
"expose'" on the church, it just rehashes the same old things and
fails to talk about why the church is relevant today. Few have any idea about
our Welfare program, the different kinds of missions we do, that the BYU
campuses actually offer great education, etc. Articles rehash about Mormons not
drinking, no sex outside of marriage and that we used to have Polygamy. I think
it's fairly well established that many Mormons had several wives and that a
loony fringe in Cedar City tragically massacred innocent civilians. Enough about
the 1800's already!!
To: Brother Benjamin Franklin, Orem, UT: I do appreciate your comments as I am
not a member of the LDS faith. However,I do have a number of friends that are of
this faith. I believe the purposes of the videos is to give basic instruction
and information regarding the doctrine of this church. I am not sure I see the
point or the value in seeing a video of church meetings. If this is what you are
interested in, I am sure that the door to the church is open to all. As with any
organization, the handbook on policy, etc.. does not really seem important to me
if I am interested in learning more about the basic beliefs of the LDS faith. I
would think that if you participated in the church organization, you could learn
all you want about these practices. I am not sure what value they are to someone
trying to study the doctrine. I do agree that it would be interesting to better
understand some of the issues that came up in the early days of this church.
I am appreciative of the recent efforts of the LDS Church regarding these
videos. The attempts the LDS Church makes to be more transparent and open are a
good thing. I do not think this will answer every legitimate
concern, but I am appreciative that we can watch and get a good idea of what the
LDS Church stands for. It would be nice if there was more detailed
discussion of Church Handbook policies and procedures, what Church callings make
up a ward/stake and commentary from members about what it is like to serve in
those callings, filming drawn from sacrament meetings and classes, stake and
ward conferences, ward council and PEC meetings, and other things of that
nature. I think the Church ought to respond more also on topics like
polygamy, race, abortion, Mountain Meadows Massacres, blacks and the priesthood,
women's issues, etc.Since I know people will say that is not
possible, I would gently respond with simply being positive and understanding
toward feedback and ideas for improvement. Nice going on these
videos!! I very much appreciate the hard work the LDS Church is putting in to
make themselves more clearly understood in the world.