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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 7, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Stanford is beatable especially on the road, just like UCLA. An article on Utah vs Stanford brings out all the Haters. I guess when your team is owned by Utah you have to pull for an other team to do what yours can't, beat Utah.

    Ha ha ha ha

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    "Best in State" looking great for the Utes! Everyone who said they marked it down for an Aggs victory, can't talk smack until the Aggs beat Air Force! lol GO UTES

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    @phoenix:

    "It's laughable that Utah fans whine so much about BYU barely "squeaking" into the Top 25, when the Utes haven't been good enough to "squeak" into the Top 25 at all."

    Blatant TDS ignorance of the past decade. Kindly refer to GoRed's phenomenal post, and you'll quickly see what you're so quick to ignore. Coach Whit's Utes own Bishop Mendenhall's Cougies. Get over it. And win a game against us first, for crying out loud!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    GoRed:

    Amen, my brotha! Go Utes!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    It's humorous to see BYU fans discounting all records prior to the late 1970's when Utah once owned a 41-8 advantage over them, yet BYU fans adamantly hold on to the early 1980's when their team had the advantage over Utah for several years.

    The only thing that is relevant is what has taken place over the past decade or so. And since BYU comes up on the short end of this, BYU fans (I mean byu "fans"---sorry, duckhunter) do their best to change the subject and focus on irrelevant stats.

    Bottom line, over the past decade in head-to-head competition:

    Utah = 7 wins
    BYU = 3 wins

    Utah = 2 undefeated seasons
    BYU = none

    Utah = 2 BCS appearances
    BYU = none

    Utah = 2 BCS bowl victories
    BYU = none

    Utah = 3 blowout wins
    BYU = none

    Utah = 3 wins in a row
    BYU = 3 losses in a row

    BYU fans, you should be a little quieter when it comes to talking trash on Utah's comment boards.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    BluedevilUte

    "BYU fans, we don't care what you think."

    That fact that you're claiming you don't care, is actually proof that you do care, obsessively. The truth is, U couldn't care less about your new "rival", Colorado. For proof, check the Colorado football blogs. They're completely devoid of any comments from Utah fans, even during game week of the annual pillow fight in the Rockies.

  • BluedevilUte PAYSON, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 12:33 a.m.

    BYU fans, we don't care what you think. Utah's rival is the Colorado Buffaloes, get over it! Colorado actually has a 6 game lead on us. 31- 25-3. The holy war is over, Utah won 56-34-4. BYU your just an out of conference game now that has only local meaning. I'd rather beat USC, UCLA,COLO,AZ,AZST, and win the south. Also, this is the best Utah State team since 1959-60, that being said Aggies your still not due to win again until the year 2028. All time series: Utah leads 77-29-4. Go Utes!!!

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    Riddler: What it really says is that Utah is learning some hard lessons.

    NOT --- that Utah's seasonal results are inevitably and permanently disastrous, as you seem to espouse.

    Conversely to your comment, Utah's post-PAC12 history IS in fact meaningful; for example, multiple observers have commented on Utah's improved 2013 recruitment, and hopefully that trend will continue.

    Coaching talent is there, facilities are now there, & now Utah needs some wins.

    So won't you join the Ute Nation in wishing our team the best in 2013, starting tomorrow as they begin the journey of breaking out of their previous PAC12 performance profile, and celebrating the advent of a stronger, faster, deeper, better Utah football team.

    And, in extension, a stronger, faster, deeper, better PAC12.

    See, now doesn't that make you feel better already.

    And if you keep that up and eventually you may even be able to earn the designation of "Honorary Ute", and join the MUSS' bowl celebration up on The Hill in December!! :)

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    DrUte

    "We be Happy Camper$ up here on The Hill."

    Really! You're happy with 5-7 and no bowl?
    You're happy with not a single win versus a PAC team with a winning record?
    You're happy with no wins versus an AP Top 25 team since the 2008 season?
    As they say, money can't buy happiness, and that goes for good football teams.
    There are a lot of teams out their making a lot more than the Utes who are nothing but conference bottom dwellers.

    Enjoy!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    Uteology

    BY Academy vs Utah

    11/14/1896 BYA 0-6 Utah
    12/5/1896 @BYA 8-6 Utah
    12/4/1897 BYA 14-0 Utah
    12/18/1897 @BYA 22-0 Utah
    11/24/1898 BYA 0-5 Utah

    Not counting a spring scrimmage in 1896 that Utah inexplicably counts as a win,

    BY Academy won the original series over Utah 3-2.

    BY Academy dropped football in 1898.

    BYU didn't start its football program until 1922, 30 years after Utah started their football program.

    Utah State started their football program at the same time as Utah.

    You're also ignoring the fact that BYU dropped football from 1943 to 1945. Only three players from BYU's 1942 team returned to play in 1946, so once again, BYU was starting from scratch against an experienced Utah program.

    Source: Primarily, 2011 Utah Media Guide

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    @ Killarney: Clearly you have some anti-Utah issues. Your claim that tomorrow's results are not an indication of program progress belies the point that every First Game is a progress indicator for every team. So we can dismiss that aspect of your comment as non sequitur.

    [In fact, USU fans have been trumpeting they are the Real Deal, and that the game tomorrow will show their true mettle. But you don't ascribe to that position apparently.]

    The comment I made earlier related to the fact that Utah's situation has changed mega-dramatically with their PAC12 entry. Going from a $2M MWC annual payday to a $25M - $30M PAC12 annual payday is just one aspect, along with media exposure, recruitment, etc etc.

    That's why Then is simply not comparable to Now. And certainly Utah still has a ton of room for improvement; every team will experience periodic Colorado-type slip-up's. Even the mighty Alabama fell to Utah, you'll recall.

    --- So if that "before PAC12 and after PAC12" conceptual dichotomy is still unclear, perhaps the "anamoly" (sp) may be more related to your issues, not ours.

    We be Happy Camper$ up here on The Hill.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    Uteology

    I'll take

    #13/#12 (11-1) WAC champ 27-0
    #12/#12 (12-1) WAC champ 56-6
    #13/#11 (11-2) WAC champ 56-28
    unranked (8-4) WAC champ 17-12
    #7/#7 (11-1) WAC champ 55-7
    #1/#1 (13-0) WAC champ, National champ 24-14
    #16/#17 (11-3) WAC champ 38-28

    any day, over

    unranked (7-1) RMAC champ 0-49
    unranked (4-3) 0-15
    unranked (3-4-1) 6-36
    unranked (6-2) 0-27
    unranked (7-0) RMAC champ 0-20
    unranked (3-3-1) 0-0

    especially when you're talking hollow victories versus a brand new program that didn't have a single 4-year player until the fourth game of the series and your winning streak only lasted 5 games.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    @Just the FAX

    My source was James Howell's database, he lists Utah's first season as 1905 (as an Independent). Not sure why he's missing the other years.

    It seems your source is Wiki.

    "By the time BYU played Utah in 1922, Utah had played 164 games; BYU had played ONE game." -- Just the Fax

    You will also notice in 1896 we started playing Brigham Young Academy, when I click the link it goes to "BYU Cougars football". And according to the history listed there:

    "BYU traces its football roots back to the late 19th century. Benjamin Cluff became the third principal of Brigham Young Academy (the precursor to BYU) in 1892 (the school was converted into a university in 1903)...The first BYA football team in 1896 played the University of Utah (winning 12-0)" -- Wiki (BYU Cougars football)

    Regardless, how you define your football history (1896 or 1922 or 1972) the fact still remains:

    * BYU was able to compete against Utah State by 1929

    * BYU wasn't able to compete with Utah until 1964

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    DrUte

    How many seasons can Utah remain bowl-less before all of those shiny new digs on the hill begin to lose their luster to potential recruits?

    Power conference or not, there are perennial bottom and middle of the pack dwellers in every conference who never or almost never even challenge for a conference championship, let alone achieve anything on a national scale.

    The PAC 12 history you speak of shows Utah finishing with losing 4-5 and 3-6 conference records and not a single versus a conference opponent with a winning record.

    If you want to claim that Utah's pre-PAC history is meaningless, fine, but, since Utah hasn't done anything meaningful in the PAC, I guess that leaves your entire history as meaningless.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    Well we know the first game is favorable for them. If they contain Keeton which they most certainly can do.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    @ Neuron: You make my point that the PAC12 is among the elite collegiate conferences, thank you. It is not yet a "perfect" conference, just one of the best.

    One result is that Utah is seeing the beginning of the recruitment advantage based on that change, and will continue to recruit with additional advantage. Example: One of the current starting Ute cornerbacks had committed to BYU but flipped, he said, in order to play in the PAC12. Anyone familiar with the Intermountain West knows that BYU / Utah bashing will go on until the end of time, the bad blood is monumental.

    The history I was referring to is pre-PAC12 history, & the comment was related to another blog. The point is, Utah's time prior to the PAC12 is simply not comparable or relevant to the present day. Entry into the PAC12 has changed the landscape so significantly, those results are simply not relevant to a cogent understanding of the present time.

    I hope that information helps your comprehension of the issue I raised.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    Uteology

    You obviously don't have a clue about Utah's football history.

    The Utah-Utah State series began in 1892, the first season for both programs.

    Utah lost at Utah State 0-12, beat the YMCA at home 4-0, and lost at the YMCA 0-4, to finish 1-2.

    The Utah-Utah State series was 13-7-1 when Utah started playing BYU.

    By the time BYU played Utah in 1922, Utah had played 164 games; BYU had played ONE game.

    Not only that, BYU's team was composed ENTIRELY of first year players.

    It's hilarious that Utah fans are so starved for accomplishments that they would consider a 49-0 victory over such a team a chest beating "accomplishment".

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    Aggie fans might not agree with the "favorable early schedule" headline. In fact, the games with Weber State and Oregon State may be the only easy games on Utah's schedule. Look for a Utah State win on Thursday, a Utah win over Weber State and eight straight losses leading into games with the other two PAC12 patsies, WSU and CU. Utah may finish with three wins.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    My Bad, 34-7... 59-0 was the next game against Denver.

    Great, first it was about impressive beat-downs, now it's bowl games and national recognition.

    Remind me again why 6-5 is impressive over 9-1 and 2 BCS wins?

    @Phoenix: "Utah's supposed years of "domination" were, in reality, nothing but 58 years of mediocrity."

    If that's true then you were below mediocrity considering pre-1972 we DOMINATED you. You were no better than a JV team.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    Samurai Jake

    It's laughable that Utah fans whine so much about BYU barely "squeaking" into the Top 25, when the Utes haven't been good enough to "squeak" into the Top 25 at all.

    Lifetime AP Top 25 Rankings

    BYU has been ranked
    in 236 of 1054 polls (22%),
    in 25 of 78 seasons (32%)
    in 17 of 78 final polls (22%)

    Utah has been ranked
    in 77 of 1054 polls (7%),
    in 8 of 78 seasons (10%),
    in 5 of 78 final polls (6%)

    While Utah fans beat their chests about individual game accomplishments, the rankings speak for themselves.

    From 1936 to 1993, the Utes weren't good enough to finish in a single AP final poll. Utah's supposed years of "domination" were, in reality, nothing but 58 years of mediocrity.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT

    Uteology

    You're seriously going to go back to the dawn of BYU football when Utah had been playing football for 30 years and BYU was starting a brand new program.

    ------------

    Yes.

    Are you seriously going to tell us BYU history began in 1974?

    * 1905 was the first Utah season, and the first Utah-Utah State rivalry game. USU won its first game 3 years later in 1907.

    * 1922 was the first Utah-BYU rivalry game, BYU didn't win it's first game until 20 years later in 1942.

    * The Utah-USU series was 7-5-1 by the time we started playing BYU in 1922.

    Utah was horrible in the 70s and 80s but not as bad as BYU pre-1974.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    @DeepBlue. Wow. 20 votes for what will be ultimately proven wrong.

    Utes win tomorrow.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Aug. 28, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    favorable early schedule. I dont see it...

    Utah plays Utah State. Utah State was #19 last year on Sagarin. They have the best QB in the state.
    They play Weber...and then go up against #25, BYU, #21 and #4...that is the first 5 games...

    BYU plays Virginia...ended the season #84 last year (Utah was 61)...then #15, Utah, Middle Tennessee, Utah State, GA Tech and Houston...ONE RANKED TEAM in the first 6 games.

    Who has the "favorable early schedule"...do your homework Mr. Facer...

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    DeepBlue
    Anaheim, CA
    "After their loss to the Aggies eliminates the Utes from bowl consideration Thursday night, the only thing the Utes will have to look forward to is the annual pillow fight in the Rockies to determine which team gets to spend the long cold winter in the PAC basement."

    Trash talk is easy when its based on things that arent even true.....Utah has never been in the Pac basement. almost made the championship the first season and beat teams at the bottom last year (such as Cal, Wazzu) by 40 points. When you are beating teams at the bottom by 40 points, you arent at the bottom.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    "Unfortunately for U, your most recent beatdown wasn't even good enough to get U ranked."

    Unfortunately for TDS, your most recent beatdown of the Idaho Vandals...wasn't even good enough (on any level) to be rebroadcast on national television! (But you have your BYU-TV to relive those solid wins!)

    TDS' "national pedigree" continued dominance over such cup cake teams might keep squeaking them just inside the top 25 (based on padded cup cake wins), at the tail end of the season, and no more. (And I quote: "You can go to the regular schools, like BYU, somewhere that's not really known about...the first time I ever heard of BYU, I thought it was a D-II school. I didn't know what BYU was." -- Jamaal Williams) lol

    Perennial defined: Utah owns TDS, 56-34-4. And to the "SportsAuthority" contributing his/her two cents from Virginia...look up the lyrics to Ice Cube's "Rep That West" and then you'll be reminded just how much we care about your two cents!

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    I see the Utes going 1-11 this year especially if Brian Johnson calls any of the plays.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Uteology

    You're seriously going to go back to the dawn of BYU football when Utah had been playing football for 30 years and BYU was starting a brand new program with a brand new coaching staff and an entire team of first year players. BYU didn't have a single four-year player in the program until 1925.

    If you're going to post ancient stats, at least post accurate ancient stats.

    The Utes have NEVER beaten BYU 59-0.

    The largest margin of victory in the series is BYU's 56-6 beatdown of the Utes in 1980.

    btw, remind us how many of those Utah teams played in a bowl or received any sort of national recognition.

    Your bad; Utah only had ONE half-decent season before 1994.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    @ jeru0455:

    First of all, not all Y fans are asserting that the U will win less than 5 games this season. So why lump us all together? Is it because we all look the same??

    Secondly, since the Utes had only 5 wins last season, why is it so "delusional" to think they might have a similar season this year? What has happened since last year to make them so much better this year?

    Thirdly, Las Vegas and most on-line college football publications are predicting the Utes will be hard pressed to do better than last year, given their schedule. That means that either you are a bit delusional or most everyone else in college football is. I know which way I'm betting on that one. And that does NOT make me delusional... only sane.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    @phoenix

    The Utes have indeed had three very impressive wins versus BYU in the last nine seasons, but they've still never come close to matching the 27-0, 56-6 and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back.

    ----------

    Never come close? Define never?

    How about, back to back to back to back to back to back?

    59-0
    15-0
    35-6
    27-0
    40-7
    20-0

    Is that impressive for you?

    My bad, I forgot BYU football history started 1974.

    Regardless, both beat-down streaks are irrelevant today.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    The early schedule is favorable considering we play 2 of the three weakest teams on our schedule in the first four games:

    #8 USU
    #12 Weber
    #6 OSU
    #10 @BYU

    The first game will decide the rest of the season.

    Is Wilson an Elite 11 QB? Can Erickson turn the Ute offense into top 50 offense? Do we have enough depth in secondary?

    If not, then we have proven we can handle teams like BYU and Weber State but will struggle against teams Utah State and OSU.

    See you at the game!!

    Go UTES!!

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    ImaCaMan

    "The Utes have dominated in the modern era that's important to the young fans and players; have moved on and up to the Pac 12; and no longer choose to play the independent/WCC team from down south."

    Which, of course, explains why EVERYTHING Utah does is immediately compared to BYU.

    The Independent/WCC team has totally DOMINATED the PAC team in overall atheletic excellence.

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145 overall in basketball. The Utes haven't won an NCAA game in almost a decade.

    And across the board in all men's and women's sports combined, BYU has so thoroughly dominated the little school on the hill, that the Cougars have finished ahead of the Utes in 20 out of 20 Directors' Cups.

    Even in football, Bronco has finished ahead of Kyle in record and ranking 5 of 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Kyle has a narrow 5-3 advantage in head-to-head, one flash-in-the-pan season, and little else to show for Utah's supposed "domination".

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Aug. 28, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    BYU fans are delusional. There is no way that Utah wins less than five games. You just make yourself look stupid. 7-5 would be an ok season but not great.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    @ AZUTE1:

    I borrowed this from a post made last week after checking it's validity. Read it and ask yourself again who owns whom in sports.

    The National Association of Directors of College Athletics (NADCA) Directors' Cup honors institutions maintaining a broad-based athletic program, achieving success in many sports, both men’s and women’s.

    In the 20-year history of the Directors' Cup Utah has NEVER finished ahead of BYU in the standings. In fact, BYU's average finish for the last 20 years is higher than Utah has ever finished.

    Final Directors' Cup Standings for 2013:
    #43 BYU 505.00 points
    #77 Utah 261.25 points

    BYU received points in 10 sports: M Cross-Country, Football, W Soccer, W Volleyball, W Gymnastics, M Golf, Softball, M Tennis, M Track & Field, and M Volleyball.

    Utah received points in only 4 sports: W Gymnastics, Skiing, M Swimming, and W Track & Field.

    As far as quality of athletics goes, BYU has dominated Utah in overall athletic excellence for decades.

    So, Mr. AZUTE1... who is it that really owns and dominates whom in their overall sports programs? It's a no-brainer!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    It's interesting that any Ute fan who might try to be realistic in their assessment of this year's Utes by not putting them on an unrealistic pedestal is automatically labelled "a negative Y fan".

    @ Neuron:

    Since the Utes lost most of their games last season, what makes you think they "will easily go 9-3 this season"? What exactly has changed so much to bring about such a huge turnaround? To be honest, you're starting to sound just like the well-known Ute commenter named Chris B... who almost always illicits laughs from both U and Y fans alike.

    You say USC and Oregon are going to be their only "real challenges" this season.
    What about OSU who tripled the Utes score last year?
    What about ASU who beat the Utes by 30 points last year.
    What about Arizona who beat the Utes by double digits last year.
    What about USU who returns most of their team who beat the Utes last year?
    Even lowly Colorado has never been easy for Utah.

    And the Big Sky Conference has provided Utah with a third of their home wins since 2010. Wow!

    Time to face real world facts!

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Glad to see that not much has changed,

    Utah boards are still overrun by jealous trolls,

    Y fans are still living in the 80's I see,

    and Utah is still the premier program in state.

    Go Utes!
    Utes by 5(TDs), ok that part was a joke even though Utah beat the Y by 6 TDs the last time these teams played in LES.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    Aug. 28, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Re :Phoenix

    ".......... back-to-back-to-back beatdowns the Cougars inflicted on the Utes in the 80's."

    The 80's!!??? Most of the players weren't even born yet! Way to remain relevant. The Utes have dominated in the modern era that's important to the young fans and players; have moved on and up to the Pac 12; and no longer choose to play the independent/WCC team from down south.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 28, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Samurai Jake

    BYU is a perennial Top 25 team with a national pedigree.

    Utah is a perennial conference also-ran with a local pedigree.

    The kids on the hill only think that anybody who hasn't lived along the Wasatch Front cares about them.

    Even fans from the PAC often forget that the Utes are supposedly in their conference.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    gored

    Any "favorability" U might have had for the September 21st game in Provo is completely neutralized by the arrogant overconfidence of our little friends from the hill.

    With 13 of the last 16 being decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, any favorability U think U have is nothing but a crimson-colored pipe dream.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Show us the trophy you get for SOS.

    It's laughable that you continue harp on SOS rankings, while completely ignoring the fact that SOS is already included in the final season rankings.

    #25/#26/#34 > unranked/#39 regardless of how you slice it.
    unranked/#26 > unranked/#61 regardless of how you slice it.

    Utah was better than BYU for ONE game in 2011 and 2012.
    BYU was better than Utah for the ENTIRE season in 2011 and 2012.

    Any fan who claims differently is simply blowing smoke.

    Was UNLV(2-10) BETTER than Utah(9-4) in 2007?
    Was Colorado(3-10) BETTER than Utah(8-5) in 2011?

    Even Utah fans can understand the lunacy behind such claims.

    It's only when comparing BYU with Utah, that Utah fans don their crimson goggles and become blind to reality.

    Utah's leather helmet era "domination" is MEANINGLESS. The Utes only had ONE have decent season before 1994.

    During the last half century, BYU has dominated the rivalry 29-21.

    In National accomplishments, it's not even close.

    BYU leads Utah SEVENTEEN to five in AP Top 25 finishes.

    Call us when U get to ten, which BYU accomplished in 1991.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    GoRed--

    "The only thing favorable about the Utes' schedule is the game in Provo on September 21.

    3 in a row, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, overall 56-34-4."

    You forgot just one thing--

    The U has also won 13 of the last 20 against byu! Complete/outright ownership is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Utah is a member of an elite conference, TDS is not.

    TDS is attempting to follow in ND's independent footsteps, and they know it.

    TDS, more than any other team on the planet, will never be able to shake their "winning is our inherent destiny" complex.

    A Utes win in Happy Valley on Sept. 21st will be four in a row. A TDS win in Happy Valley on Sept. 21st? A magic show...! Since apparently, "magic" only happens on the field when you're living "right," which doesn't add up considering TDS' losses to the Utes as of late. Especially because their team and fans are always living "magically!"

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    The only thing favorable about the Utes' schedule is the game in Provo on September 21.

    3 in a row, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, overall 56-34-4.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Phoenix--

    "2011
    BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin
    BETTER than
    Utah(8-5) no votes in either poll, #39 Sagarin"

    Final Sagarin SOS rankings in '11, respectively--

    The U #49 and byu #90.

    Final score in provo in '11 between The U/byu--

    The U 54 byu 10.

    The U was BETTER than byu.

    Next.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    BYU men's volleyball has been competing against Stanford, USC, and UCLA in the MPSF since the late 90's.

    BYU and California have had an intense rivalry in Rugby for many years.

    And, BYU has been playing Stanford and California in football, basketball, and many other sports for decades.

    But, playing BYU and "associating" with BYU is somehow considered vastly different by the presidents of Stanford and California. Times may change and other schools in the conference may eventually convince the religious bigots to begin practicing the tolerance they claim to have for opposing points of view.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    pebbles

    The Utes have indeed had three very impressive wins versus BYU in the last nine seasons, but they've still never come close to matching the 27-0, 56-6 and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back beatdowns the Cougars inflicted on the Utes in the 80's.

    Unfortunately for U, your most recent beatdown wasn't even good enough to get U ranked.

    BYU still finished with a better record and higher ranking than the Utes, despite the beatdown:

    2011
    BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin
    BETTER than
    Utah(8-5) no votes in either poll, #39 Sagarin

    THIS CENTURY

    BYU has FIVE AP Top 25 finishes including three Top 15 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era
    Utah has FOUR AP Top 25 finishes, with only one Top 15 finish during the Bronco/Kyle era

    For all your talk about dominating bcs bowl victories, the Utes have never finished higher than 4th in the Coaches poll, the official final poll of the bcs.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    "With this announcement of a home and home with Cal and Stanford. BYU cannot play the "religious discrimination card" for not being invited to join the Pac-12."

    Coaches and ADs at Cal and Stanford have never had a problem playing BYU, it's only their bigotted presidents/chancelors who stood in the way of BYU being invited to join the conference.

    Regardless, the excellence of BYU's athletic programs was never questioned. Despite the frantic and emotional spin from the kids on the hill, athletic excellence was never a factor in either Utah's invitation or BYU's lack of an invitation to join the PAC.

    Having Tier-1 research was only a nice to have, it was never a requirement (see Oklahoma State and Texas Tech), although that was the convenient excuse used by the PAC for excluding BYU.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    I am old enough too Mountanman, BYU did not beat Utah by 72 as your post infers. The score of that game 70 to 31, which was preceded the year before by a Scott Mitchell infused beat down of the Y. The sad part is you have to go back 20 plus years; the Utes have laid a beat down on BYU three times in the last eight years which included two undefeated seasons and dominating BCS Bowl victories. Get with this century, the 80s were a long time ago.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    "Cougars schedule home-and-home with Cal in 2014, 2017"

    With this announcement of a home and home with Cal and Stanford. BYU cannot play the "religious discrimination card" for not being invited to join the Pac-12. I don't see any religious discrimination because both Cal and Stanford are wanting to play BYU. Perhaps BYU didn't get the invite because they're not a "tier 1 research University" like the Pac-12 presidents have said during expansion.

  • Neuron NotInMiami, FL
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Even at home Utah State will be a tough game. Oregon State will also be a tough game. BYU will be much tougher. Utah can easily win 3 of their 7 home games and 2 of their 5 away games. Hopefully they do better than that (except against BYU) but they'll be doing well to break .500 this season.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Sure Dirk,

    opening with Utah State(11-2), Weber State(2-9), Oregon St(9-4) and at BYU(8-5)

    is MUCH easier than

    closing with ASU(8-5), at Oregon(12-1), at Washington State(3-9) and Colorado(1-11)

    Two Top 25 teams and three bowl teams vs one Top 25 team and two bowl teams

  • Neuron NotInMiami, FL
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    DrUte: "So history is now irrelevant"

    If that's correct, tell that to 54-10 or UteMiguel or any of the Ute commenters who spend so much time bashing BYU on BYU articles. It also means there can never be any gloating or discussion after any given game because the game is over, making it history and thus irrelevant.

    Utah is in a great conference now with a lot of other good schools. There are still 3 conferences tougher than the Pac-12 though - 1) SEC; 2) Big 12; 3) Big Ten (2 and 3 are a toss up and don't necessarily go in that order). The Pac-12 is close to those two but would rank 4th for overall toughness. Hopefully that's changing as Pac-12 teams improve (Stanford made great strides) but Utah, ASU, UofA, Colorado, Oregon State, California, Washington State, and Washington all have a long way to go to consistently elevate the Pac-12.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    @54-10. I am old enough to remember when Ty Detmer and BYU handed the Utes their biggest loss of school history: 72 points! And Detmer only played about 3 quarters of that game! Some friendly advise for you: always keep your words soft and sweet because sooner or later, you will have to eat your words!

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    DrUte

    "So history is now irrelevant; the old UCLA / UNLV letdown now means absolutely nothing. Players, coaching, and conditions have changed wholesale. "Then" is not even close to "Now"."

    Sure, the old UCLA / UNLV letdown has now been replaced with the old Washington State / Colorado letdown, and your measuring stick for "progress" is the WAC, now MWC, team that denied you a bowl berth last year.

    Tomorrow night's results might give some evidence that the Utes could be competitive in the MWC, but they certainly won't prove anything concerning Utah's ability to compete in the PAC.

    In reality, your real "NOW" is the pre-Urban Meyer "THEN", when the Utes were a perennial middle of the pack team in the WAC/MWC. 2004 and 2008 were nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan anamoly.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Utah needs to win early because it's going to get tougher as the season goes on. I could see them going 2-4, or 5-1 to start the season; neither would really suprise me. I will certainly have a better feel for the Utes after Thursday night. Great opener against a very solid USU team.

    GO UTES
    >--->

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    UteMiguel

    "Lots of negativity from Y fans...."

    says the Utah fan who conveniently overlooked the fact that a Utah fan opened the dialogue with a shot at BYU.

    pot meet kettle

    -------

    Neuron

    "The Utes should easily go 9-3 in the regular season. USC and Oregon are their only real challenges this season."

    Only in your crimson-colored dreams. The Utes will be closer to 3-9.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    SouthFLUte

    "So much bitterness on the part of the Y fans."

    Sure, BYU fans were bitterly disappointed about having to spend bowl week in San Diego watching their team play in an exciting bowl game. We would have much preferred enjoying the holidays playing couch potatoes like our little brothers.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    Truly, every team has both assets and liabilities. The trick is to optimize the positives and minimize the negatives on Game Day.

    Silly blog comments from Red haters not based on logic or informed research concerning either their own or the Utah team are ludicrous.

    "Utah should return to the MWC", "Utah will never play in a bowl game again", just silly.

    Reality is that Utah is in a significantly improved position for recruitment, coaching, facilities, and (collectively) to compete within the PAC12. And there's no going back.

    Certainly there are areas of improvement still available, but Utah has passed a significant line in the sand. A progress report will be forthcoming in just a few hours. But no matter the outcome, Utah will continue to improve and demonstrate they are evolving into one of the premier conferences in college football.

    So history is now irrelevant; the old UCLA / UNLV letdown now means absolutely nothing. Players, coaching, and conditions have changed wholesale. "Then" is not even close to "Now".

    --- Bottom Line: There's only one team in the state that is now & will always be PAC12.

    Stay tuned for tomorrow's Progress Report. RES will be rockin'.

  • Neuron NotInMiami, FL
    Aug. 28, 2013 5:58 a.m.

    The Utes should easily go 9-3 in the regular season. USC and Oregon are their only real challenges this season.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 5:57 a.m.

    They will be 1-3 to start the season and then the lights will go out.

  • SouthFLUte Delray Beach, FL
    Aug. 28, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    So much bitterness on the part of the Y fans. Must be that 0-3 record against a "horrible" Ute team...

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 2:15 a.m.

    @54-10

    Cougar fans are hoping that Utah players and coaches enter their game in Provo with that level of confidence, or perahps I should say, overconfidence.

    Yes I know "54-10 when Utah last play BYU in Provo" but there are two big differences between the 2013 BYU team and the 2011 team.

    1 - BYU has their starting QB in place. They're not looking at player two or three QBs.

    2 - Robert Anae is back as Offensive Coordinator. Remember that under Anae, BYU beat Utah in '06, '07 and '09!

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 2:08 a.m.

    Some are hoping the Utes consider their game against BYU as "favorable" that all they need to do is show up and they have it in the bag, just like 2011 against Colorado.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Aug. 27, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    That's what the better part of these comment boards are. Bitter BYU fans. Jealousy is not a good color on you guys. I know it can be hard being the younger brother. I'm the youngest in a big family, but I learned to accept it long ago. I truly hope coug fans can do the same.

    Unfortunately I highly doubt it will happen. They were raised to believe they are far superior to Utah. And now they tout their amazing schedule that boasts 3-4 good teams and lots of cupcakes in between, and go on and on and on bashing "bottom feeder" Utah after 1 bad season. ... Despite losing 3 in a row...

    I'm afraid some things will never change. BYU will most likely never get used to, and accept their role of little brother. Poor little fellas

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    Lots of negativity from Y fans. Not surprising given all the recent losses to the U.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    "Utah senior Trevor Reilly notes that the numbers are skewed because of the Pac-12’s better overall depth compared to the Mountain West."

    Same old whiny excuse-making. It's becoming more and more obvious that the Utes should just go back to the MWC where they would be more competitive, although Colorado and Washington State aren't any better than Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV and Colorado State.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    Unfortunately that winning streak is quickly becoming ancient history.

    Nowadays, the Utes are struggling to post a winning record at home.

    Not counting FCS teams, the Utes are 5-5 in RES since joining the PAC.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    After their loss to the Aggies eliminates the Utes from bowl consideration Thursday night, the only thing the Utes will have to look forward to is the annual pillow fight in the Rockies to determine which team gets to spend the long cold winter in the PAC basement.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    "Not so long ago, Utah put together quite a winning streak at Rice-Eccles Stadium. Beginning with a 44-6 win over UCLA on Sept. 15, 2007, the Utes reeled off 21 consecutive victories on the hill."

    But tanked on the road, following up that "amazing" win over UCLA with one of the ugliest losses in Utah history the following week, a 0-27 shutout to UNLV(2-10), a team that only beat one other team in 2007, Utah State(2-10).

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    Anytime BYU is on the schedule the 1st month of the season, the schedule is favorable.