Anytime BYU is on the schedule the 1st month of the season, the schedule is
"Not so long ago, Utah put together quite a winning streak at Rice-Eccles
Stadium. Beginning with a 44-6 win over UCLA on Sept. 15, 2007, the Utes reeled
off 21 consecutive victories on the hill."But tanked on the
road, following up that "amazing" win over UCLA with one of the ugliest
losses in Utah history the following week, a 0-27 shutout to UNLV(2-10), a team
that only beat one other team in 2007, Utah State(2-10).
After their loss to the Aggies eliminates the Utes from bowl consideration
Thursday night, the only thing the Utes will have to look forward to is the
annual pillow fight in the Rockies to determine which team gets to spend the
long cold winter in the PAC basement.
Unfortunately that winning streak is quickly becoming ancient history.Nowadays, the Utes are struggling to post a winning record at home.Not counting FCS teams, the Utes are 5-5 in RES since joining the PAC.
"Utah senior Trevor Reilly notes that the numbers are skewed because of the
Pac-12’s better overall depth compared to the Mountain West."Same old whiny excuse-making. It's becoming more and more obvious that
the Utes should just go back to the MWC where they would be more competitive,
although Colorado and Washington State aren't any better than Wyoming, New
Mexico, UNLV and Colorado State.
Lots of negativity from Y fans. Not surprising given all the recent losses to
That's what the better part of these comment boards are. Bitter BYU fans.
Jealousy is not a good color on you guys. I know it can be hard being the
younger brother. I'm the youngest in a big family, but I learned to accept
it long ago. I truly hope coug fans can do the same. Unfortunately I
highly doubt it will happen. They were raised to believe they are far superior
to Utah. And now they tout their amazing schedule that boasts 3-4 good teams and
lots of cupcakes in between, and go on and on and on bashing "bottom
feeder" Utah after 1 bad season. ... Despite losing 3 in a row... I'm afraid some things will never change. BYU will most likely never get
used to, and accept their role of little brother. Poor little fellas
Some are hoping the Utes consider their game against BYU as "favorable"
that all they need to do is show up and they have it in the bag, just like 2011
@54-10Cougar fans are hoping that Utah players and coaches enter
their game in Provo with that level of confidence, or perahps I should say,
overconfidence. Yes I know "54-10 when Utah last play BYU in
Provo" but there are two big differences between the 2013 BYU team and the
2011 team.1 - BYU has their starting QB in place. They're not
looking at player two or three QBs.2 - Robert Anae is back as
Offensive Coordinator. Remember that under Anae, BYU beat Utah in '06,
'07 and '09!
So much bitterness on the part of the Y fans. Must be that 0-3 record against a
"horrible" Ute team...
They will be 1-3 to start the season and then the lights will go out.
The Utes should easily go 9-3 in the regular season. USC and Oregon are their
only real challenges this season.
Truly, every team has both assets and liabilities. The trick is to optimize the
positives and minimize the negatives on Game Day.Silly blog comments
from Red haters not based on logic or informed research concerning either their
own or the Utah team are ludicrous. "Utah should return to the
MWC", "Utah will never play in a bowl game again", just silly.Reality is that Utah is in a significantly improved position for
recruitment, coaching, facilities, and (collectively) to compete within the
PAC12. And there's no going back. Certainly there are areas of
improvement still available, but Utah has passed a significant line in the sand.
A progress report will be forthcoming in just a few hours. But no matter the
outcome, Utah will continue to improve and demonstrate they are evolving into
one of the premier conferences in college football. So history is
now irrelevant; the old UCLA / UNLV letdown now means absolutely nothing.
Players, coaching, and conditions have changed wholesale. "Then" is not
even close to "Now".--- Bottom Line: There's only one
team in the state that is now & will always be PAC12.Stay tuned
for tomorrow's Progress Report. RES will be rockin'.
SouthFLUte"So much bitterness on the part of the Y fans."Sure, BYU fans were bitterly disappointed about having to spend bowl
week in San Diego watching their team play in an exciting bowl game. We would
have much preferred enjoying the holidays playing couch potatoes like our little
UteMiguel"Lots of negativity from Y fans...."says the Utah fan who conveniently overlooked the fact that a Utah fan opened
the dialogue with a shot at BYU.pot meet kettle-------Neuron"The Utes should easily go 9-3 in the
regular season. USC and Oregon are their only real challenges this
season."Only in your crimson-colored dreams. The Utes will be
closer to 3-9.
Utah needs to win early because it's going to get tougher as the season
goes on. I could see them going 2-4, or 5-1 to start the season; neither would
really suprise me. I will certainly have a better feel for the Utes after
Thursday night. Great opener against a very solid USU team.GO
DrUte"So history is now irrelevant; the old UCLA / UNLV letdown
now means absolutely nothing. Players, coaching, and conditions have changed
wholesale. "Then" is not even close to "Now"."Sure, the old UCLA / UNLV letdown has now been replaced with the old
Washington State / Colorado letdown, and your measuring stick for
"progress" is the WAC, now MWC, team that denied you a bowl berth last
year.Tomorrow night's results might give some evidence that the
Utes could be competitive in the MWC, but they certainly won't prove
anything concerning Utah's ability to compete in the PAC.In
reality, your real "NOW" is the pre-Urban Meyer "THEN", when the
Utes were a perennial middle of the pack team in the WAC/MWC. 2004 and 2008 were
nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan anamoly.
@54-10. I am old enough to remember when Ty Detmer and BYU handed the Utes their
biggest loss of school history: 72 points! And Detmer only played about 3
quarters of that game! Some friendly advise for you: always keep your words soft
and sweet because sooner or later, you will have to eat your words!
DrUte: "So history is now irrelevant"If that's correct,
tell that to 54-10 or UteMiguel or any of the Ute commenters who spend so much
time bashing BYU on BYU articles. It also means there can never be any gloating
or discussion after any given game because the game is over, making it history
and thus irrelevant.Utah is in a great conference now with a lot of
other good schools. There are still 3 conferences tougher than the Pac-12 though
- 1) SEC; 2) Big 12; 3) Big Ten (2 and 3 are a toss up and don't
necessarily go in that order). The Pac-12 is close to those two but would rank
4th for overall toughness. Hopefully that's changing as Pac-12 teams
improve (Stanford made great strides) but Utah, ASU, UofA, Colorado, Oregon
State, California, Washington State, and Washington all have a long way to go to
consistently elevate the Pac-12.
Sure Dirk,opening with Utah State(11-2), Weber State(2-9), Oregon
St(9-4) and at BYU(8-5)is MUCH easier thanclosing with
ASU(8-5), at Oregon(12-1), at Washington State(3-9) and Colorado(1-11)Two Top 25 teams and three bowl teams vs one Top 25 team and two bowl teams
Even at home Utah State will be a tough game. Oregon State will also be a tough
game. BYU will be much tougher. Utah can easily win 3 of their 7 home games and
2 of their 5 away games. Hopefully they do better than that (except against BYU)
but they'll be doing well to break .500 this season.
"Cougars schedule home-and-home with Cal in 2014, 2017"With
this announcement of a home and home with Cal and Stanford. BYU cannot play the
"religious discrimination card" for not being invited to join the
Pac-12. I don't see any religious discrimination because both Cal and
Stanford are wanting to play BYU. Perhaps BYU didn't get the invite because
they're not a "tier 1 research University" like the Pac-12
presidents have said during expansion.
I am old enough too Mountanman, BYU did not beat Utah by 72 as your post infers.
The score of that game 70 to 31, which was preceded the year before by a Scott
Mitchell infused beat down of the Y. The sad part is you have to go back 20
plus years; the Utes have laid a beat down on BYU three times in the last eight
years which included two undefeated seasons and dominating BCS Bowl victories.
Get with this century, the 80s were a long time ago.
Elmer Fudd"With this announcement of a home and home with Cal
and Stanford. BYU cannot play the "religious discrimination card" for
not being invited to join the Pac-12."Coaches and ADs at Cal and
Stanford have never had a problem playing BYU, it's only their bigotted
presidents/chancelors who stood in the way of BYU being invited to join the
conference.Regardless, the excellence of BYU's athletic
programs was never questioned. Despite the frantic and emotional spin from the
kids on the hill, athletic excellence was never a factor in either Utah's
invitation or BYU's lack of an invitation to join the PAC.Having Tier-1 research was only a nice to have, it was never a requirement
(see Oklahoma State and Texas Tech), although that was the convenient excuse
used by the PAC for excluding BYU.
pebblesThe Utes have indeed had three very impressive wins versus
BYU in the last nine seasons, but they've still never come close to
matching the 27-0, 56-6 and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back beatdowns the Cougars
inflicted on the Utes in the 80's.Unfortunately for U, your
most recent beatdown wasn't even good enough to get U ranked.BYU still finished with a better record and higher ranking than the Utes,
despite the beatdown:2011 BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34
SagarinBETTER thanUtah(8-5) no votes in either poll, #39 SagarinTHIS CENTURYBYU has FIVE AP Top 25 finishes including three
Top 15 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle eraUtah has FOUR AP Top 25
finishes, with only one Top 15 finish during the Bronco/Kyle eraFor
all your talk about dominating bcs bowl victories, the Utes have never finished
higher than 4th in the Coaches poll, the official final poll of the bcs.
Elmer FuddBYU men's volleyball has been competing against
Stanford, USC, and UCLA in the MPSF since the late 90's.BYU and
California have had an intense rivalry in Rugby for many years.And,
BYU has been playing Stanford and California in football, basketball, and many
other sports for decades.But, playing BYU and "associating"
with BYU is somehow considered vastly different by the presidents of Stanford
and California. Times may change and other schools in the conference may
eventually convince the religious bigots to begin practicing the tolerance they
claim to have for opposing points of view.
Phoenix--"2011 BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34
SagarinBETTER thanUtah(8-5) no votes in either poll, #39
Sagarin"Final Sagarin SOS rankings in '11,
respectively--The U #49 and byu #90.Final score in provo
in '11 between The U/byu--The U 54 byu 10.The U was
BETTER than byu.Next.
The only thing favorable about the Utes' schedule is the game in Provo on
September 21.3 in a row, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, overall 56-34-4.
Utah is a member of an elite conference, TDS is not.TDS is
attempting to follow in ND's independent footsteps, and they know it.TDS, more than any other team on the planet, will never be able to shake
their "winning is our inherent destiny" complex.A Utes win
in Happy Valley on Sept. 21st will be four in a row. A TDS win in Happy Valley
on Sept. 21st? A magic show...! Since apparently, "magic" only happens
on the field when you're living "right," which doesn't add up
considering TDS' losses to the Utes as of late. Especially because their
team and fans are always living "magically!"
GoRed--"The only thing favorable about the Utes' schedule
is the game in Provo on September 21.3 in a row, 4 out of 5, 8 out
of 11, overall 56-34-4."You forgot just one thing--The U has also won 13 of the last 20 against byu! Complete/outright ownership
is a beautiful thing, isn't it?
AZUTE1Show us the trophy you get for SOS.It's
laughable that you continue harp on SOS rankings, while completely ignoring the
fact that SOS is already included in the final season rankings.#25/#26/#34 > unranked/#39 regardless of how you slice it.unranked/#26 > unranked/#61 regardless of how you slice it.Utah was better than BYU for ONE game in 2011 and 2012.BYU was better
than Utah for the ENTIRE season in 2011 and 2012.Any fan who claims
differently is simply blowing smoke.Was UNLV(2-10) BETTER than
Utah(9-4) in 2007?Was Colorado(3-10) BETTER than Utah(8-5) in 2011?Even Utah fans can understand the lunacy behind such claims.It's only when comparing BYU with Utah, that Utah fans don their crimson
goggles and become blind to reality.Utah's leather helmet era
"domination" is MEANINGLESS. The Utes only had ONE have decent season
before 1994.During the last half century, BYU has dominated the
rivalry 29-21.In National accomplishments, it's not even
close.BYU leads Utah SEVENTEEN to five in AP Top 25 finishes.Call us when U get to ten, which BYU accomplished in 1991.
goredAny "favorability" U might have had for the September
21st game in Provo is completely neutralized by the arrogant overconfidence of
our little friends from the hill.With 13 of the last 16 being
decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, any
favorability U think U have is nothing but a crimson-colored pipe dream.
Samurai JakeBYU is a perennial Top 25 team with a national
pedigree.Utah is a perennial conference also-ran with a local
pedigree.The kids on the hill only think that anybody who
hasn't lived along the Wasatch Front cares about them.Even fans
from the PAC often forget that the Utes are supposedly in their conference.
Re :Phoenix".......... back-to-back-to-back beatdowns the
Cougars inflicted on the Utes in the 80's."The
80's!!??? Most of the players weren't even born yet! Way to remain
relevant. The Utes have dominated in the modern era that's important to
the young fans and players; have moved on and up to the Pac 12; and no longer
choose to play the independent/WCC team from down south.
Glad to see that not much has changed,Utah boards are still overrun
by jealous trolls,Y fans are still living in the 80's I see,and Utah is still the premier program in state.Go Utes!Utes by 5(TDs), ok that part was a joke even though Utah beat the Y by 6 TDs
the last time these teams played in LES.
It's interesting that any Ute fan who might try to be realistic in their
assessment of this year's Utes by not putting them on an unrealistic
pedestal is automatically labelled "a negative Y fan". @
Neuron:Since the Utes lost most of their games last season, what
makes you think they "will easily go 9-3 this season"? What exactly has
changed so much to bring about such a huge turnaround? To be honest,
you're starting to sound just like the well-known Ute commenter named Chris
B... who almost always illicits laughs from both U and Y fans alike.You say USC and Oregon are going to be their only "real challenges"
this season. What about OSU who tripled the Utes score last year? What about ASU who beat the Utes by 30 points last year.What about
Arizona who beat the Utes by double digits last year.What about USU who
returns most of their team who beat the Utes last year?Even lowly Colorado
has never been easy for Utah.And the Big Sky Conference has provided
Utah with a third of their home wins since 2010. Wow!Time to face
real world facts!
@ AZUTE1:I borrowed this from a post made last week after checking
it's validity. Read it and ask yourself again who owns whom in sports.The National Association of Directors of College Athletics (NADCA)
Directors' Cup honors institutions maintaining a broad-based athletic
program, achieving success in many sports, both men’s and
women’s.In the 20-year history of the Directors' Cup Utah
has NEVER finished ahead of BYU in the standings. In fact, BYU's average
finish for the last 20 years is higher than Utah has ever finished.Final Directors' Cup Standings for 2013: #43 BYU 505.00 points #77 Utah 261.25 pointsBYU received points in 10 sports: M
Cross-Country, Football, W Soccer, W Volleyball, W Gymnastics, M Golf, Softball,
M Tennis, M Track & Field, and M Volleyball.Utah received points
in only 4 sports: W Gymnastics, Skiing, M Swimming, and W Track & Field.As far as quality of athletics goes, BYU has dominated Utah in overall
athletic excellence for decades.So, Mr. AZUTE1... who is it that
really owns and dominates whom in their overall sports programs? It's a
BYU fans are delusional. There is no way that Utah wins less than five games.
You just make yourself look stupid. 7-5 would be an ok season but not great.
ImaCaMan"The Utes have dominated in the modern era that's
important to the young fans and players; have moved on and up to the Pac 12; and
no longer choose to play the independent/WCC team from down south."Which, of course, explains why EVERYTHING Utah does is immediately compared to
BYU.The Independent/WCC team has totally DOMINATED the PAC team in
overall atheletic excellence.7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145
overall in basketball. The Utes haven't won an NCAA game in almost a
decade.And across the board in all men's and women's
sports combined, BYU has so thoroughly dominated the little school on the hill,
that the Cougars have finished ahead of the Utes in 20 out of 20 Directors'
Cups.Even in football, Bronco has finished ahead of Kyle in record
and ranking 5 of 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era.Top 25
FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Kyle has a narrow 5-3 advantage in head-to-head, one flash-in-the-pan season,
and little else to show for Utah's supposed "domination".
The early schedule is favorable considering we play 2 of the three weakest teams
on our schedule in the first four games:#8 USU#12 Weber#6 OSU#10 @BYUThe first game will decide the rest of the
season. Is Wilson an Elite 11 QB? Can Erickson turn the Ute
offense into top 50 offense? Do we have enough depth in secondary? If not, then we have proven we can handle teams like BYU and Weber State but
will struggle against teams Utah State and OSU.See you at the
@phoenixThe Utes have indeed had three very impressive wins versus
BYU in the last nine seasons, but they've still never come close to
matching the 27-0, 56-6 and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back.----------Never come close? Define never? How about, back to back to
back to back to back to back?59-015-035-627-040-720-0Is that impressive for you?My bad, I
forgot BYU football history started 1974.Regardless, both beat-down
streaks are irrelevant today.
@ jeru0455:First of all, not all Y fans are asserting that the U
will win less than 5 games this season. So why lump us all together? Is it
because we all look the same??Secondly, since the Utes had only 5
wins last season, why is it so "delusional" to think they might have a
similar season this year? What has happened since last year to make them so much
better this year?Thirdly, Las Vegas and most on-line college
football publications are predicting the Utes will be hard pressed to do better
than last year, given their schedule. That means that either you are a bit
delusional or most everyone else in college football is. I know which way
I'm betting on that one. And that does NOT make me delusional... only sane.
UteologyYou're seriously going to go back to the dawn of BYU
football when Utah had been playing football for 30 years and BYU was starting a
brand new program with a brand new coaching staff and an entire team of first
year players. BYU didn't have a single four-year player in the program
until 1925.If you're going to post ancient stats, at least post
accurate ancient stats.The Utes have NEVER beaten BYU 59-0.The largest margin of victory in the series is BYU's 56-6 beatdown of the
Utes in 1980.btw, remind us how many of those Utah teams played in a
bowl or received any sort of national recognition.Your bad; Utah
only had ONE half-decent season before 1994.
I see the Utes going 1-11 this year especially if Brian Johnson calls any of the
"Unfortunately for U, your most recent beatdown wasn't even good enough
to get U ranked."Unfortunately for TDS, your most recent
beatdown of the Idaho Vandals...wasn't even good enough (on any level) to
be rebroadcast on national television! (But you have your BYU-TV to relive those
solid wins!) TDS' "national pedigree" continued
dominance over such cup cake teams might keep squeaking them just inside the top
25 (based on padded cup cake wins), at the tail end of the season, and no more.
(And I quote: "You can go to the regular schools, like BYU, somewhere
that's not really known about...the first time I ever heard of BYU, I
thought it was a D-II school. I didn't know what BYU was." -- Jamaal
Williams) lolPerennial defined: Utah owns TDS, 56-34-4. And to the
"SportsAuthority" contributing his/her two cents from Virginia...look up
the lyrics to Ice Cube's "Rep That West" and then you'll be
reminded just how much we care about your two cents!
DeepBlueAnaheim, CA"After their loss to the Aggies eliminates
the Utes from bowl consideration Thursday night, the only thing the Utes will
have to look forward to is the annual pillow fight in the Rockies to determine
which team gets to spend the long cold winter in the PAC basement."Trash talk is easy when its based on things that arent even true.....Utah has
never been in the Pac basement. almost made the championship the first season
and beat teams at the bottom last year (such as Cal, Wazzu) by 40 points. When
you are beating teams at the bottom by 40 points, you arent at the bottom.
favorable early schedule. I dont see it...Utah plays Utah State.
Utah State was #19 last year on Sagarin. They have the best QB in the state.
They play Weber...and then go up against #25, BYU, #21 and #4...that is
the first 5 games...BYU plays Virginia...ended the season #84 last
year (Utah was 61)...then #15, Utah, Middle Tennessee, Utah State, GA Tech and
Houston...ONE RANKED TEAM in the first 6 games.Who has the
"favorable early schedule"...do your homework Mr. Facer...
@DeepBlue. Wow. 20 votes for what will be ultimately proven wrong.Utes win tomorrow.
SportsFanOrem, UTUteologyYou're seriously
going to go back to the dawn of BYU football when Utah had been playing football
for 30 years and BYU was starting a brand new program.------------Yes. Are you seriously going to tell us
BYU history began in 1974? * 1905 was the first Utah season, and
the first Utah-Utah State rivalry game. USU won its first game 3 years later in
1907.* 1922 was the first Utah-BYU rivalry game, BYU didn't
win it's first game until 20 years later in 1942. * The
Utah-USU series was 7-5-1 by the time we started playing BYU in 1922.Utah was horrible in the 70s and 80s but not as bad as BYU pre-1974.
Samurai JakeIt's laughable that Utah fans whine so much about
BYU barely "squeaking" into the Top 25, when the Utes haven't been
good enough to "squeak" into the Top 25 at all.Lifetime AP
Top 25 RankingsBYU has been ranked in 236 of 1054 polls (22%),
in 25 of 78 seasons (32%) in 17 of 78 final polls (22%)Utah has been ranked in 77 of 1054 polls (7%), in 8 of 78 seasons
(10%), in 5 of 78 final polls (6%)While Utah fans beat their
chests about individual game accomplishments, the rankings speak for themselves.
From 1936 to 1993, the Utes weren't good enough to finish in a
single AP final poll. Utah's supposed years of "domination" were,
in reality, nothing but 58 years of mediocrity.
@SportsFanMy Bad, 34-7... 59-0 was the next game against Denver.Great, first it was about impressive beat-downs, now it's bowl
games and national recognition. Remind me again why 6-5 is
impressive over 9-1 and 2 BCS wins?@Phoenix: "Utah's
supposed years of "domination" were, in reality, nothing but 58 years of
mediocrity."If that's true then you were below mediocrity
considering pre-1972 we DOMINATED you. You were no better than a JV team.
Aggie fans might not agree with the "favorable early schedule" headline.
In fact, the games with Weber State and Oregon State may be the only easy games
on Utah's schedule. Look for a Utah State win on Thursday, a Utah win over
Weber State and eight straight losses leading into games with the other two
PAC12 patsies, WSU and CU. Utah may finish with three wins.
UteologyYou obviously don't have a clue about Utah's
football history.The Utah-Utah State series began in 1892, the first
season for both programs.Utah lost at Utah State 0-12, beat the YMCA
at home 4-0, and lost at the YMCA 0-4, to finish 1-2.The Utah-Utah
State series was 13-7-1 when Utah started playing BYU.By the time
BYU played Utah in 1922, Utah had played 164 games; BYU had played ONE game. Not only that, BYU's team was composed ENTIRELY of first year
players.It's hilarious that Utah fans are so starved for
accomplishments that they would consider a 49-0 victory over such a team a chest
@ Neuron: You make my point that the PAC12 is among the elite collegiate
conferences, thank you. It is not yet a "perfect" conference, just one
of the best. One result is that Utah is seeing the beginning of the
recruitment advantage based on that change, and will continue to recruit with
additional advantage. Example: One of the current starting Ute cornerbacks had
committed to BYU but flipped, he said, in order to play in the PAC12. Anyone
familiar with the Intermountain West knows that BYU / Utah bashing will go on
until the end of time, the bad blood is monumental. The history I
was referring to is pre-PAC12 history, & the comment was related to another
blog. The point is, Utah's time prior to the PAC12 is simply not
comparable or relevant to the present day. Entry into the PAC12 has changed the
landscape so significantly, those results are simply not relevant to a cogent
understanding of the present time.I hope that information helps your
comprehension of the issue I raised.
Well we know the first game is favorable for them. If they contain Keeton which
they most certainly can do.
DrUteHow many seasons can Utah remain bowl-less before all of those
shiny new digs on the hill begin to lose their luster to potential recruits?Power conference or not, there are perennial bottom and middle of the
pack dwellers in every conference who never or almost never even challenge for a
conference championship, let alone achieve anything on a national scale.The PAC 12 history you speak of shows Utah finishing with losing 4-5 and
3-6 conference records and not a single versus a conference opponent with a
winning record.If you want to claim that Utah's pre-PAC history
is meaningless, fine, but, since Utah hasn't done anything meaningful in
the PAC, I guess that leaves your entire history as meaningless.
@Just the FAXMy source was James Howell's database, he lists
Utah's first season as 1905 (as an Independent). Not sure why he's
missing the other years. It seems your source is Wiki."By the time BYU played Utah in 1922, Utah had played 164 games; BYU had
played ONE game." -- Just the FaxYou will also notice in 1896 we
started playing Brigham Young Academy, when I click the link it goes to "BYU
Cougars football". And according to the history listed there:"BYU traces its football roots back to the late 19th century. Benjamin
Cluff became the third principal of Brigham Young Academy (the precursor to BYU)
in 1892 (the school was converted into a university in 1903)...The first BYA
football team in 1896 played the University of Utah (winning 12-0)" -- Wiki
(BYU Cougars football)Regardless, how you define your football
history (1896 or 1922 or 1972) the fact still remains:* BYU was able
to compete against Utah State by 1929* BYU wasn't able to
compete with Utah until 1964
UteologyI'll take #13/#12 (11-1) WAC champ 27-0#12/#12 (12-1) WAC champ 56-6#13/#11 (11-2) WAC champ 56-28unranked (8-4) WAC champ 17-12#7/#7 (11-1) WAC champ 55-7#1/#1
(13-0) WAC champ, National champ 24-14#16/#17 (11-3) WAC champ 38-28any day, overunranked (7-1) RMAC champ 0-49unranked
(4-3) 0-15unranked (3-4-1) 6-36unranked (6-2) 0-27unranked
(7-0) RMAC champ 0-20unranked (3-3-1) 0-0especially when
you're talking hollow victories versus a brand new program that didn't
have a single 4-year player until the fourth game of the series and your winning
streak only lasted 5 games.
@ Killarney: Clearly you have some anti-Utah issues. Your claim that
tomorrow's results are not an indication of program progress belies the
point that every First Game is a progress indicator for every team. So we can
dismiss that aspect of your comment as non sequitur.[In fact, USU
fans have been trumpeting they are the Real Deal, and that the game tomorrow
will show their true mettle. But you don't ascribe to that position
apparently.] The comment I made earlier related to the fact that
Utah's situation has changed mega-dramatically with their PAC12 entry.
Going from a $2M MWC annual payday to a $25M - $30M PAC12 annual payday is just
one aspect, along with media exposure, recruitment, etc etc. That's why Then is simply not comparable to Now. And certainly Utah
still has a ton of room for improvement; every team will experience periodic
Colorado-type slip-up's. Even the mighty Alabama fell to Utah, you'll
recall. --- So if that "before PAC12 and after PAC12"
conceptual dichotomy is still unclear, perhaps the "anamoly" (sp) may be
more related to your issues, not ours.We be Happy Camper$ up here on
UteologyBY Academy vs Utah11/14/1896 BYA 0-6 Utah12/5/1896 @BYA 8-6 Utah12/4/1897 BYA 14-0 Utah12/18/1897 @BYA 22-0
Utah11/24/1898 BYA 0-5 UtahNot counting a spring scrimmage in
1896 that Utah inexplicably counts as a win,BY Academy won the
original series over Utah 3-2.BY Academy dropped football in
1898.BYU didn't start its football program until 1922, 30 years
after Utah started their football program.Utah State started their
football program at the same time as Utah.You're also ignoring
the fact that BYU dropped football from 1943 to 1945. Only three players from
BYU's 1942 team returned to play in 1946, so once again, BYU was starting
from scratch against an experienced Utah program.Source: Primarily,
2011 Utah Media Guide
DrUte"We be Happy Camper$ up here on The Hill."Really! You're happy with 5-7 and no bowl? You're happy with
not a single win versus a PAC team with a winning record? You're
happy with no wins versus an AP Top 25 team since the 2008 season? As they
say, money can't buy happiness, and that goes for good football teams. There are a lot of teams out their making a lot more than the Utes who are
nothing but conference bottom dwellers.Enjoy!
Riddler: What it really says is that Utah is learning some hard lessons.NOT --- that Utah's seasonal results are inevitably and permanently
disastrous, as you seem to espouse.Conversely to your comment,
Utah's post-PAC12 history IS in fact meaningful; for example, multiple
observers have commented on Utah's improved 2013 recruitment, and hopefully
that trend will continue.Coaching talent is there, facilities are
now there, & now Utah needs some wins. So won't you join
the Ute Nation in wishing our team the best in 2013, starting tomorrow as they
begin the journey of breaking out of their previous PAC12 performance profile,
and celebrating the advent of a stronger, faster, deeper, better Utah football
team.And, in extension, a stronger, faster, deeper, better PAC12.See, now doesn't that make you feel better already.And
if you keep that up and eventually you may even be able to earn the designation
of "Honorary Ute", and join the MUSS' bowl celebration up on The
Hill in December!! :)
BYU fans, we don't care what you think. Utah's rival is the Colorado
Buffaloes, get over it! Colorado actually has a 6 game lead on us. 31- 25-3.
The holy war is over, Utah won 56-34-4. BYU your just an out of conference game
now that has only local meaning. I'd rather beat USC, UCLA,COLO,AZ,AZST,
and win the south. Also, this is the best Utah State team since 1959-60, that
being said Aggies your still not due to win again until the year 2028. All time
series: Utah leads 77-29-4. Go Utes!!!
BluedevilUte"BYU fans, we don't care what you
think."That fact that you're claiming you don't care,
is actually proof that you do care, obsessively. The truth is, U couldn't
care less about your new "rival", Colorado. For proof, check the
Colorado football blogs. They're completely devoid of any comments from
Utah fans, even during game week of the annual pillow fight in the Rockies.
It's humorous to see BYU fans discounting all records prior to the late
1970's when Utah once owned a 41-8 advantage over them, yet BYU fans
adamantly hold on to the early 1980's when their team had the advantage
over Utah for several years.The only thing that is relevant is what
has taken place over the past decade or so. And since BYU comes up on the short
end of this, BYU fans (I mean byu "fans"---sorry, duckhunter) do their
best to change the subject and focus on irrelevant stats.Bottom
line, over the past decade in head-to-head competition: Utah = 7
wins BYU = 3 winsUtah = 2 undefeated seasonsBYU =
noneUtah = 2 BCS appearancesBYU = noneUtah = 2 BCS
bowl victoriesBYU = noneUtah = 3 blowout winsBYU =
noneUtah = 3 wins in a rowBYU = 3 losses in a rowBYU fans, you should be a little quieter when it comes to talking trash on
Utah's comment boards.
GoRed:Amen, my brotha! Go Utes!
@phoenix:"It's laughable that Utah fans whine so much about
BYU barely "squeaking" into the Top 25, when the Utes haven't been
good enough to "squeak" into the Top 25 at all."Blatant
TDS ignorance of the past decade. Kindly refer to GoRed's phenomenal post,
and you'll quickly see what you're so quick to ignore. Coach
Whit's Utes own Bishop Mendenhall's Cougies. Get over it. And win a
game against us first, for crying out loud!
"Best in State" looking great for the Utes! Everyone who said they
marked it down for an Aggs victory, can't talk smack until the Aggs beat
Air Force! lol GO UTES
Stanford is beatable especially on the road, just like UCLA. An article on Utah
vs Stanford brings out all the Haters. I guess when your team is owned by Utah
you have to pull for an other team to do what yours can't, beat Utah.Ha ha ha ha