Published: Tuesday, Aug. 27 2013 4:55 p.m. MDT
This survey is not accurate. What is considered? How was the ranking
I think the work cheapskate is being misapplied in this report. Cheapskate as
implied means that this state Utah is in an oppressed economy being controlled
by the state governemnt to deny those living here the right to prosperity in
wages and liberties.Utah is a right to work state where workers have
no rights, no minimum wages, no prosperity, and no future. The government has
installed an oppressive business culture who believe they have the right to
indentured servitude slaves and this is the mainstream culture in Utah.Cheapskate means business are overlords and overseers of the population
sanctioned by the state governemnt and legislators who deny us our rights of
representation in all things including running wild over taxation to fund an
opulent governmnet spending habits.Its a well deserved slap in the
face of government, education, and citizens too weak and mindless to rise up and
demand better for themselves as a free market state. We have no loyalty to the
USA or our constitutions or each-other.
The author's comment "Frugality is the new black in these post
"Great Recession times," strikes a cord, starting with the Biblical,
"There is nothing new under the sun." A story in the Bible recounts how
Joseph was sold into Egyptian slavery by his brothers, and correctly interpreted
the dream of Pharaoh, that there would be seven years of plenty followed by
seven years of famine. To this day there seem to be similar cycles of plenty and
want. Preparation is what saved Egypt, and preparation is what is needed in our
times, but moderns seem unwilling to sacrifice and save for probable bad times,
refusing to tighten the belt in good times so that bad times do not have too bad
an effect. Preparation is important for life beginning with education at home
from loving parents to various levels of schooling to develop capabilities to do
whatever kind of work is available. But like the advertising loudly proclaims,
"I want my money and I want it now," says it all, a recipe for
financial, personal, and national disaster. And that may tell the story of the
declining US that spends the future extravagantly, turning feast into famine.
Wayne,the article says what was considered - I am confused by your
question.2cents,no minimum wage? really? nope, there is one.
And if workers are as oppressed as you say, why did the article say Utah was
noted for its high worker satisfaction?
I thought it would have been Provo and Orem.
If you have gained through hard work and education valuable skills that an
employer can use to make stuff that is even more valuable than what they pay
you, then you will be in high demand and get paid a good wage. If your current
employer doesn't appreciate your skills and is paying you less than it is
worth, feel free to find someone who will. If you really have good skills, there
should be lots of companies who want you.If, on the other hand, you
have no skills because you dropped out of school or didn't try to learn new
things and work hard because you feel the world just owes you something for
nothing, then you really are stuck and your only out is to vote a bunch of
politicians into office who will take from others and give to you.
I had only a brief experience in Utah, and it was nothing like suggested. My
experience was more like My2Cents, nearly all of my co-workers were constantly
afraid of losing their jobs. We had a webmaster who easily worked 10 to 12 hours
a day, and one time he actually pulled an all-nighter for an urgent project. He
was at work for about 20 hours straight. He finally went home around the time
that everyone else was coming in. About 4 hours later, one of the managers came
in and asked where he was, she was told the situation. She immediately said that
he needs to come back in, now. Which he promptly did. I know this is a single
person's experience, but it is the exact opposite of the article.
Iancook,Different companies are different (even in Utah). You can't
judge the whole State by the experience of ONE worker at one company.There are companies like that in Utah. I've worked for some. Some
people LIKE working at companies like that (I don't). But they are out
there. But I think there are companies like that in pretty much every
State.I'm glad I live in a place that's good for frugal
people (because I'm a simple/frugal person, and I want to be able to teach
my children a frugal lifestyle). I've worked in NYC, Boston and other
countries, and they are nice to visit, but I would only want to live there IF I
was Uber-Rich. If money was no object I could enjoy living in Manhattan. But
if you have an average US income... it would be terrible to try to live and make
ends meet for a family like mine in Manhattan.
I think one of the things that they need to compare to other cities (and maybe
they did?)is the average amount of kids per house hold. I feel comfortable
saying that Utah has a lot more kids in the home than most states. Which
ultimately means the parents need to make more or spend less. The majority just
chose to spend less, and live within their means. Nothing wrong with that!
To "My2Cents", "Albert Maslar CPA (Retired)", and most everybody
else. This study has absolutely nothing to do with the economy, politics, or
wages.The cheapskate list is based on how many fun or interesting
activities are available in an area for no to little cost.This is
something that we should wear with pride. That these cities have sufficient
support to provide good and wholesome recreational activities that everyboy can
enjoy and afford.
RedShirtMIT,I'm glad there are so many fun and interesting activities
available in this area for no or little cost. There are those who are actively
trying to make it so only people with money can access our canyons. They have
succeeded in locking down Millcreek Canyon to only those with money. So far
you can still go up the Cottonwood Canyons for a hike even if you DON'T
have money. I HOPE we can keep it that way. But there are those out there
who don't want other lower income people sharing their canyon. We need to
vote that down every time it comes up (IMO).The outdoors are my
thing. I hope we can still use the outdoors without paying somebody for the
right to do it.
I don't believe this at all. Yes, we live among cheapskates, but they are
the employers! There is no way we have among the best incomes in the country! No
way! You know what is happening, they are taking the income of the entire
household and they are not mentioning that there are probably 10 people in one
household who are working! people are cheapskates here. They love putting down
25 cents for a tip and splitting dinners when they go to the restaurant. A lot
of people have to live as cheapskates because they don't have enough money,
not because they want to! I make a good wage and it can be hard for me. Of
course, I am single and pay everything by myself, but how do they do it with all
the kids? Rent is lower because nobody could pay if it were not!
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