So two people who were 17 and 22 had a consentual relationship and that's
rape? If they'd waitied until she turned 18, it would all be hunk dory. I
don't get it.
A little off topic, but relevant. While I do not condone this behavior, the
"victim" was 17. We charge 17 year olds and younger as adults with
murder all the time, because we feel they have the mental capacity to
distinguish between right and wrong. So why don't we treat 17 year old
"victims" the same way? Are we saying, they are old enough to murder
someone, but not old enough on who they will have sex with? It is inconsistent.
In the story, the "victim" said she knew it was wrong but
What needs to happen here is that the County Attorney charges felonies across
the board, accepts no plea down type of bargains to see that this
"coach" gets the maximum possible sentence. A message needs to be sent
that this is just as intolerable as any unlawful relationship regardless of
A school teacher is a position of trust. Change the sexes of this incidence and
you change many attitudes. ERA for men too!
@JBT:"Observenator - I noticed the same thing... The tone of most
comments seem to indicate people in general are 'okay' with this
relationship.. Unbelievable."These two gals are apparently
attracted to each other... which, in our society seems to be OK. As reported in
the DNews and elsewhere, same sex marriages are becoming the norm across the
country. And, as someone has already posted, the age difference have to greater
than ten years (which it is not) for the law to be violated. There is no case
here. The judicial system is just trying to ruin these two peoples' lives.
What two (or any number of) people do in the privacy of there own homes
(apartments) is none of the state's business.
Guess this coach/teacher didn't take it seriously enough when her employer
(the school district acting in behalf of the school board) went over basic
ethics and asked her to sign that she had heard and understood the policy
(Standard practice in local school districts-I know, I am an employee.) No
sexual contact between teachers and students, period. Doesn't matter if the
student was one of hers or not. It would be crazy for it to be explained away
because they were "in love." The fact that she told the student that it
could not become known that they had a relationship shows that she knew she was
violating the rules. Don't let her anywhere near students ever again. It
makes me sick that fellow educators are sometimes guilty of this kind of
First things first, the teacher clearly showed poor judgement by her actions,
and because of that she should not be teaching or in any other position of power
among young people. That being said, those who know the people involved in this
case, are anxiously awaiting the trial and outcome. When reading this and other
articles about this case, it seems to be an open and shut case, but when the
whole story comes out at trial, I am sure there will be many who see things very
differently. Should the teacher be punished? Yes. Is she a threat to society?
No not all. Should her life be ruined because of these "accusations"?
No way The truth always comes out, and will set a lot of things straight.
@YGradFanUnlawful Sexual Conduct with a 16 or 17 Year Old in UtahAs specified by the title of this offense, a victim of Unlawful Sexual
Conduct with a 16 or 17 Year Old must have been 16 or 17 years old at the time
the sexual contact took place. To be charged with this crime, the actor must be
at least ten years older than the minor.Ted was right!
These charges are simply Beaver Cleaver outrageous considering the
"progressive" world we are existing in.If, and I am sure
there was, two (2) consenting individuals who are just exercising their
Constitutional rights of "equal protection under the law" clause which
was reinforced by the SCOTUS. The Prosecution rests....your excellencies.
All of you with your 'signs of the time' comments and condemnation of
'SGA' need to back off. This is about bad judgement by a teacher, not
same sex attraction. If this was a male teacher and female student, or vice
versa, you wouldn't make some stupid comment about opposite sex
attractions. As much as you'd like to live your lives with your collective
heads buried in the sand in denial of reality, men are hundreds of times more
likely to engage in this kind of behavior with young girls. It's not a
gay/lesbian issue; it's part of being human.It's sad that
two such a young people with their entire lives ahead of them now will have this
haunting them the rest of their lives. That's the real tragedy.
I find it curious that yesterday's story of a 40-something lunch room
worker who was sentenced for her inappropriate relationship with a student at
the school had the woman's mug shot as the picture for the story. Here,
though, DesNews decided to run the story with what appears to be a
professionally photographed shot of this teacher/coach. Does it have anything
to do with the relative attractiveness and/or age of the two women accused? At any rate, the teacher/coach-student relationship was inappropriate,
sexual preference aside. I don't believe the relationship of trust between
the two was so attenuated so as to render the teacher-student aspect as having
NO influence. However, I tend to believe that if a person can be charged with a
crime as an adult, that same person ought to be able to make her own decisions
as to her social relationships. And arbitrary birthday should not be the
deciding factor, but the totality of the circumstances. What the teacher did
was wrong, but a law based on an arbitrary age shouldn't dictate when a
person has the capacity to consent. But, it's the law we have.
I think that it is clear that children are not safe at school. I think
we've heard enough of these cases, and of gunning down of fellow students,
the ban on prayer etc to know that parents should be avoiding public schools
altogether. LDS people were warned by their leaders of undesirable outcomes
when public schools first appeared in Utah. I am hearing of more and more
parents who are home schooling.
BU52: They don't exactly title articles "Male teacher accused of
heterosexual contact with a student." They're not hiding it,
they're just not sensationalizing it. While so many are outraged that the
lesbian aspect is not discussed more, the rest of America has moved on.While some are outraged by Ted's Head, I would point out that he is only
making a legal argument. While it may be creepy that a teacher hooked up with a
student, prosecution must still prove that an actual law was broken. It's
also creepy for a college professor to hook up with a student, but it's not
a prosecutable offense. Shocking, but even if it were a male teacher and a
female student, if no law was broken, they can't actually be sent to jail
(I know of one male choir teacher who waited until his student was 18, and asked
her out. She said yes. It was unethical and he lost his job, but it
Observenator - I noticed the same thing... The tone of most comments seem to
indicate people in general are 'okay' with this relationship..
Unbelievable. and this comment by her attorney - "Courtney
wasn't using her position as a coach, I don't even know what position
she had," Brown said. "These two people just fell in love." Could
you imagine the outrage this comment would spark if the 'Coach was a male??
I imagine this enhancement was added to the law for this very reason. I
want to know my kids, who are easily manipulated, are safe at school. Kids
face enough enough pressures from their friends.. they, or us parents,
shouldn't have to also worry about coaches and teachers..
I agree with Observenator. It's amazing that some of you are trying to
defend this teacher's actions. Since it's a same-sex relationship,
all of a sudden it's okay that this teacher did what she did? You would
all be calling for the teacher's head if it were an opposite-sex
relationship.Ted, the crime is obvious, the teacher should not have
pursued any type of relationship with the teenager. It's not okay for them
to ignore the law, just because they are "in love". What a joke!
Isolating the relationship will be difficult for the defense. They met at a
school function, the teacher offered math homework help, the student visited her
classroom often.The entire story reeks of cruising in the school to find
ObservenatorI also wonder if the circumstances were male teacher of
22, and 17 year old female student the story would be the same. Doubt it.
The whole thing, incident is sick anyway you look at it. It was and is
unnatural but becoming a new normal?? I had to reread it to make sure I was
reading it correctly. It read the same as if it was a male coach/teen girl or a
female coach enticing a young teen boy. There appears to be no difference in
how it was reported, as it would be about opposite genders involved. I agree with Ted's Head. He called it for what it is. Or is it not PC
for a reporter to have done the same? Call it what it is. We don't make
the rules. God does.
I find it interesting that so many posters are defending this "teacher"
because it involves a same-sex relationship. The lengths people will go to in
order to justify SGA is truly astonishing. Regardless of the
propaganda of relative morality, wrong is wrong and right is right. I hope they
throw the book at her. They would if this had involved a male teacher with a
The Coach/Teacher should have waited for the student to turn 18 and graduate if
she wanted to have a relationship with this now adult female. Human
relationships are messy. Some are, by community standards considered immoral.
But they are news and this avid reader was commenting on the news, but not
endorsing this behavior.
What graphic detail? the only thing i read was they kissed and she was charged
with object rape, a standard name for the charge. Teachers should not be having
relations with students. She should know better.
Does this story really need to go into the graphic detail that it does? I
expect higher standards than this from DN.
The newspaper will publish stories they believe are interesting to their
readers. People in Riverton especially, and likely in other parts of the state
will be interested in a story that involves sexual activity between a student
and a teacher because it affects how they view schools and how well they trust
teachers. I am always amazed at how people will complain about the nature of a
story in the newspaper even when it is clear that they took the time to read it
and comment on it. As far as the newspaper is concerned, their mission is
accomplished when you click on the link and take the time to read. They
don't care whether or not you liked the story or agreed with its
publication. They just want to make sure that you'll come back tomorrow
and click on some more of their links.
It seems teachers need to be given courses about ethics in relation to their
The trends of times to come. Scary indeed.
This teacher/coach is going to find out that you don't have to be in a
direct teacher-student relationship to be guilty of raping a student. Any
employee of the school district is under the obligation to protect the students
as if they were the parents themselves. In loco parentis demands that staff
place the safety and well-being of the students as the highest priority while
the students are in their care.If the judge allows this to be portrayed as
just a relationship between two people it will be a travesty.
In the newspaper business, the old adage was "If it bleeds, it leads."
With the Deseret News, it is "If it involves Sex in any form it leads."
The more shocking; the more immoral; the more outlandish, the bolder and larger
the font. For a paper that claims to support the LDS Church, the interest in
stories related to sex is telling. A little reflection from the editorial board
might be in order. I simply ask, why is the Deseret News so interested in
stories and news that relate to sex?
"Mainly MeWerribee, 00It's nice to see that the law
is finally making no distinction between male or female offenders."We'll see when it comes to sentencing,,,
Perhaps a clearer headline would be "Female coach at Riverton High accused
of lesbian sexual misconduct with a student" Just get the facts out there,
you know, be a reporter.
So....a 17 year old lesbian with an interest in basketball hits it off with a 22
year old lesbian woman who happens to coach basketball--but not this teen--and
is a teacher--but not of this teen--and they end up having a sexual
relationship. I am looking for the crime here, because...1) She was
17 and it isn't statutory rape if her partner is less than 10 years
older;2) Merely because the 22 year old woman was a coach and a teacher
doesn't mean she falls into the category of abusing a position of trust.
It seems as if the "position of trust" question is what this
trial is about. It's entirely possible that the therapist erred when they
reported the sexual activity between a minor and a legal adult and this whole
thing got blown out of proportion due to the well-publicized accounts of
teachers and coaches who HAVE initiated sexual relations with students over whom
they did hold a position of trust, regardless of the 10 year rule re age
differential. It certainly is a sensational and salacious story, but
I'm betting she's found "not guilty." And she will change her
It's nice to see that the law is finally making no distinction between male
or female offenders.
Welcome to 2013 where a story like this just glosses over, like it's no big
deal, the common gender of the teacher, victim and girlfriend... even evoking a
term (object rape), which is no novel that it hasn't yet made it into Wiki,
to describe the unnatural way in which all this occurred... appearing in the
Deseret News... as Utexmom points out, in step-by-step detail.Feel
so privileged to live in this enlightened age.
It's a very sad story and must be devastating for the family, etc. Who
knows what teachers can be trusted? Teenagers need to be taught that just
because someone is a teacher, and they are in a position of authority, does not
mean that they should be followed. However,this story also had too
much step by step information in it.