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Published: Monday, Aug. 26 2013 3:25 p.m. MDT

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maclouie
Falconer, NY

RanchHand:

Some clarification. 1st: you got the definition of apologetics wrong as noted by another commenter. 2nd: you read in my remarks something that was not there. For example, my remarks had nothing to do with getting the same answer. two, He wanted to know how to know how and I gave him a method. I never claimed God withheld His Holy Spirit. I said "if you feel (ie think) God has withheld...".

BTW, I have always disliked the word "apologetics" for the reason it is misunderstood.

Pianoman
Salt Lake City, UT

A lot of bitter angry people on here...it's simple: if you don't believe it, move on with your life. You're wasting a lot of precious minutes complaining and ranting about something you claim isn't true. I am now going to waste a few minutes of my life standing up against those who claim the Mormons are a fraud.

Believing in something that you fully can't prove or see is called faith. To be honest, there isn't 100 percent evidence God exists. But if you believe in Him, you do it because you have faith.

For those of you who claim to have facts that Mormon prophets have misspoken or have lied, I don't want to hear them because you probably have twisted their words or have received your information from Anti websites.

In closing, I am living a happy life because I have something in my life that I believe is true and it helps me live healthy and treat others kindly. I guess we'll find out after we all die if there is a heaven and who was right.

3GrandKeys
Walnut Creek, CA

@Pianoman:

"If you don't believe it, move on with your life."

Thanks for that. If only it were so easy to disentangle Mormonism from every aspect of our family relationships and personal identity. I encourage you to try and understand how painful it is to walk away and just "move on". Especially when we also might feel that Mormonism is causing real emotional and spiritual harm to people we love (and also to many people we don't know).

dLange
Los Gatos, CA

Christopher B.,
The role of any prophet is to call the people to repentance, and advise them on how to live a more godly life. Rarely in scripture or history have the prophets prophesied. Divining the future is for fortune tellers. When prophets have prophesied, they have warned about possible dangerous consequences due to the current behaviour of the people, not definite, unchangeable future events.

lynnea1
JEFFERSON CITY, MO

Prophets are mere men; it is up to us to be faithful to understand the things they are telling us. Even the prophets of old were not perfect; they taught different things for different times. Take Moses. Do you suppose that God meant for him to get lost in the desert? He didnt say 'Moses take your people and get lost in the desert.' We dont get complete instruction. The Prophet gives us what the Lord tells him to, then we must study, pray & show our faith to move forward. One thing the Lord said in the Bible, was that he was not going to perform miracles, etc., merely to prove that he is the one & only God. I would think the same goes for prophets. God wants us to learn to *believe* that there is a god and that the things He promises us are true. He could've just showed Himself right off the bat and everyone wouldve known he was the one true God and been done with it. But how would we have been able to prove our Love for Him if we already knew everything about Him and Eternity? We have to do our part.

KellyWSmith
Sparks, NV

Christopher B,
You asked, "How do you know when the prophet is speaking for God or as a man?"

Please re-read my last post. I can't say it any clearer, even though I and many others have given a valiant effort to answer the question. I have never seen so many try so hard to help someone understand a principle. I hope you appreciate that effort as you have gotten a lot of air time here. I applaud all of those who have tried to explain something so basic, and to me, so clearly done.

Sometimes people have to be put in a position where they finally open up and learn the principle and quit demanding things happen the way they want, but let God's way take over. Maybe that will happen to you and then you will understand what has been said here.

Have faith my friend, and let God help you understand the answer. Open up. Be humble. Let go.

ChristoperB
Salt Lake, UT

Kelly,

I re-read your post.

"Once a person knows by the Holy Spirit that the Prophet is God's spokesperson for our time, they don't need to continually question every thing he says"

But doesn't that wording suggest once someone knows a prophet is God's spokesman that future things that person says will be from God?

Is that now what you are implying here?

And yet I can point to many times prophets have said incorrect things.

Surely Mormons "knew by the Holy Ghost" these people were prophets right?

I know you can claim that you and others are trying to help understand a principle. I'm just asking basic questions and think the one and only true church could provide consistent answers that aren't contradicted by other statements they make.

Please tell me if that is too much to ask?

I re-read your last post as you asked.

Now I ask, if you receive from the Holy Ghost knowledge a prophet is God's spokesman do you take that to mean anytime he talks he's speaking for God?

And therefore won't ever be wrong?

Or is God wrong sometimes?

ChristoperB
Salt Lake, UT

dlange,

I'm not sure how your comments address my questions at all.

Was there an attempt to do so?

Mormons prophets have made numerous false statements.

Do you refute this?

If not, does this mean God made a mistake(I'll presume your answer is no)

We then get to

Why did the prophet say something that was false?

I'll presume your answer is "he was speaking as a man"

Ok, how do you know when he is speaking as a man or speaking for God?

The only rational conclusion we have come to so far is:

We don't. Not even Mormon prophets themselves know when they are speaking for God.

Any other proposals?

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

And, behold, and lo, this is an ensample unto all those who were ordained unto this priesthood, whose mission is appointed unto them to go forth--
And this is the ensample unto them, that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.
And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation.
(D&C 68:2-4)

And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
If it be some other way it is not of God.
Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth?
Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together.
(D&C 50:19-22)

2 Cents
San Antonio, TX

When one is taught from infancy to "follow the prophet, follow the prophet, he knows the way" (and COUNTLESS other such teachings) one is compelled to think that the prophet has a special relationship with Christ or with God, and that the prophet's words are to be followed. The Quorum of the Twelve are, after all, called as "special" witnesses of Christ, correct?

When such a one reaches adulthood and is then told that the prophet doesn't always speak for God, e.g. he doesn't always "know the way", and that you are essentially on your own in determining when he does and doesn't, it creates a fundamental shift in one's faith, especially when the prophet is Joseph Smith. Then, as an adult, when you prayerfully and faithfully decide that what you just heard the prophet say was said as a man and not as a prophet, you are essentially an apostate and wrong.

That's a problem.

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