Bleed Crimson - in 1984 when BYU won the NC outright, they beat a #3 ranked
Pittsburgh team at the beginning of the year. Just because they ended up having
a bad season after that loss does not take away the fact that BYU beat them
while they were ranked. When wins are calculated into rankings, they go by the
ranking of team at the time they played. Obviously, this has to be the case
because nobody knows the final ranking outcome until the end of the season.Steven, recent history has taught us that there is no way a 10-2 BYU
team will get an invite to a BCS bowl. They will take three SEC teams before
that happens.In order for BYU to crack the BCS, they will have to do
it the same way the Utes did it--go undefeated.I say go for it
Cougs... it's our last chance as there will be no more BCS bowls after this
@KolossYou are welcome to check out ESPN or Foxsports if you need
further help understanding what teams did last year. In regards to Georgia Tech
most football minds consider it a very tough program to prepare for. Beating
them is a quality win most years, and a marque win occasionally. That is
because GT has national respect from coaches and journalists. BYU's
victory over GT was impressive. I think you are ignoring most of
BYU's opponents particularly USU. I'll break 2013 down for you.Team, perspective, likely finishVirginia--Solid (5-7)Texas--Marquee (9-3)Utah--Solid (4-8)Middle TN State--Quality
(8-4)Utah State--Marquee (9-3)Georgia Tech--Quality (7-5)Houston--Solid (5-7)Boise State--Marquee (10-2)league champWisconsin--Marquee (9-3)Idaho State--Filler (2-10)ND--Marquee
(9-3)Nevada--Solid (7-5)If BYU goes 10-2 with loses to ND and
Wisconsin they should have three marquee wins (USU, TX, Boise) and quality wins
over GT, MTS. BYU would be ranked in the top 15 and likely the top qualifier
for the at large pool for a BCS bowl.
The addition of Cal as the last game of 2014 is a nice upgrade from playing the
utes who, now that they are junior members of the Pac have "moved on."
Thanks Steven!I wasn't aware Georgia Tech didn't win the ACC
championship. You're argument of basic math doesn't stand up to
reason. Did voters care that Oregon beat 10-3 Arkansas State or 9-4 Fresno
State? Ranked non-AQ teams at the end of the last year were mediocre at best
against AQ teams, none better than .500. Boise State might be a win people would
notice but mainly because of the profile the team has received. Simply put the
wins against higher level opponents are lacking. That leaves us with Notre Dame,
which you counted as a loss, Wisconsin, which you also counted as a loss,
leaving you with Boise and Texas as you're only good wins. 2-2 in games
people will notice. So you'll have 6 conference champions, PAC-12, SEC, ACC
and/or Big 12 teams that will probably have one loss,and then Notre Dame,
because in order for it to be a good loss they will probably have to be 11-1 or
10-2. BYU will have lost 2 of its final four games, beating an FCS team and a
MWC team do you really think they'll finish in the top 16?
That's a great looking schedule for 2013. Congrats on the home and home
TilkaDepending on which odds maker you're looking at, BYU is
either a 1-point favoride, even odds, or a 1.5-point underdog.Feel
free to bet the ranch on BYU losing if you're that confident.
According to SportsIllustrated bowl projections, BYU is scheduled to play three
BCS bowl teams; Utah is scheduled to play two:BYUTexas and
Boise State (Fiesta)Notre Dame (Orange)UtahStanford (BCS
championship) vs AlabamaOregon (Rose)BYU is projected to play
USC in the Kraft Fight Hunger BowlUSU is projected to play W Va in the
Poinsettia BowlUtah is projected to play in their 2nd straight couch
Anyone notice that BYU is an underdog at Virginia?
@Barney - My bad, obviously I have failed to keep up with my 1920's comic
strips. To you and Snuffy Smith I meant no disrespect to your name. Speaking of
looking it up, how can you not know who Spider Rico is? But I digress - a bridge
built with the help of ESPN, a sate of the art production facility and a
worldwide fanbase is not a bridge to nowhere.
@ backpacn"the Utes didn't beat a single ranked team and
only beat THREE teams with winning records, NONE with better than a 7-5 record.
Sagarin only ranked Utah's 2004 SOS at #67"Not so backpacn!
Utah beat #20 Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl. Which is one more ranked team that
Utah beat than the 84' Cougies. None of BYU's opponents in 84'
finished ranked, the 04' Utes at least had Pittsburgh who finished ranked
(#25). You Y fans are so obsessed with these Sagarin rankings. Those
rankings are so meaningless and have no bearing on the regular season. The only
rankings that matter are the BCS rankings (which determine who plays in BCS
bowls and the National Championship Game).
@WON84 - Cool stuff. Australia is pretty amazing. I think even the most loyal of
U fans are sick of Chris B, Hedgehog, Naval, etc...
KolossWhat makes you think your arrogant opinion is any more valid
than Steven S Jarvis's opinion?No team from a non-power
conference had ever busted the BCS, until Utah did in 2004 playing a schedule
that was WORSE than what BYU will likely face in 2014 - to qualify for the
Fiesta Bowl, the Utes didn't beat a single ranked team and only beat THREE
teams with winning records, NONE with better than a 7-5 record. Sagarin only
ranked Utah's 2004 SOS at #67.Frankly, NOBODY, including our
arrogant little friends on the hill, knows exactly how strong BYU's 2014
schedule will be.Utah was supposed to play #1-ranked USC in 2012,
but ended up playing an unranked, 7-6 team that finished behind FIVE BYU
opponents that were either unranked or ranked well below USC in the pre-season
"PavalovaSurfers Paradise, AUU-Fan (Chris B): What
are the chances of the U going to a bowl this year? Come on, level with me, one
in a ten, or one in a hundred? Pac 12: More like one in a millionU-Fan (Chris B): So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah
baby!!!"Surfers Paradise? Lucky you, I worked in the CBD in
Melbourne for a couple of years.Anyways, Chris is on the record as
stating Utah will go 8-4 and he will stop posting on BYU articles if they do
@Spider Rico"@Barneythedinosaur" Barneythedinasaur ? Nice try Peter ParkerSpiderman you need to
Google "Barney Google."You also wrote " Independence is
a bridge to other possibilities" kinda like Alaska's bridge to nowhere.
U-Fan (Chris B): What are the chances of the U going to a bowl this year? Come
on, level with me, one in a ten, or one in a hundred? Pac 12: More like
one in a millionU-Fan (Chris B): So you're telling me there's a
chance. Yeah baby!!!
Koloss,Georgia Tech has no shot huh?Were you watching
college football LAST year? GT represented their division for the league title
losing by a touchdown to FSU when the ball was tipped and picked off with under
a minute to go. GT had no problem handling USC in the bowl. You probably looked
at the 7-7 and judged them ignoring what actually happened in the games. Your argument that BYU's schedule won't stack up with BCS
leagues ignores some basic math. Leagues overall go 50-50 in wins and losses to
other league members. The only thing that matters to SOS is who the league
plays outside in non-conference matches. The SEC typically schedules four
games, three against weak teams (one FCS team). Each SEC team will likely have
played 3-5 teams with losing records. 2013's likely bad
record/FCS teamake ms for BYU are Utah (5-7), Idaho State, Virginia (5-7) and
Houston (5-7). 2014 has an even better mix of bowl eligible teams. If the cards
fall right Utah, VA and Houston win six. How often can a team say they beat 9
or more bowl teams?
@BarneythedinosaurNot talking about independence for BYU is like not
talking about the PAC12 for y'all. Don't be silly. Just because an
article talks about the purple elephant in the room doesn't mean it is
trying to "sell" us on independence. Independence is a bridge to other
possibilities. Right now I love it because I get to see BYU play a lot of teams
they have never played before. Just because you think BYU is in a terrible
situation doesn't make it so - after all you are obviously biased. Looking
forward to the season!
RE: MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UT2014, UConn, Texas,
Virginia, Huston, USU, Nevada, BSU, MTS, Southern Miss, UNLV, UCF. 2015,
Nebraska, BSU, Michigan, USU, Southern Miss, Cincinnati, UConn and UNLVIt is still better than being in the MWC.
Sorry, I mis-spoke, it just seems that the Utes have lost so many games and
after listening to their fan base talk of PAC 12 championships and rose bowls,
plus not to mention ALLthe other sports championships they have enjoyed, I just
got a little confused. I mean, there are so many sports at the u that are going
for NC in their respective fields that I just couldn't count them all. Then
I thought about their trophy case over flowing with hardware. They are so much
on the national scene, I lost track of where they were!
Steven S JarvisAre you serious? Have you watched any football the last 15
years since the BCS started? No non-AQ team with 2 losses has played in a BCS
game and the only reason NIU did it with 1 loss was because they lost their
opener and went on a 12 game win streak. Georgia Tech has no shot at winning
the ACC. BYU's schedule isn't as good as any team from one of the
power conferences. 1984 BYU was unranked at the beginning of the season.
No team they beat ended the season ranked. Furthermore BYU will probably
go 4-8 this year. Once again, are you serious?
My prediction is 8-5. BYU can call it a success if they squeeze past Utah.
They don't seem to ever have the capability to rise up and pummel even the
most inferior of Ute teams. BYU's curse is fear of the big game.
Utah's curse is consistency. In any given year they'll beat a better
BYU team (or a top 10 team) and then lose to Utah State (or another program that
they shouldn't lose to). To the Aggie's credit last year's USU
team was very well-coached team and I think the program is getting better.
@KolossI never thought a two loss team would play in a BCS game but
it happened last year. Its not too hard to imagine BYU going 10-2 with losses to
Wisconsin and ND being the top non-AQ team going to a BCS game, especially if GT
wins the ACC. Win the BCS bowl then start the next season ranked in the top 20
and move on up. There are four teams that will be in the playoff.
None will likely be undefeated most years. I expect a SEC champion with two
losses (Alabama), The winner of Oregon/Stanford (one loss) as the easy picks in.
The champs from the ACC and Big 12 will likely have two or three losses. Ohio
State is the usual BIG 10 champ. A one loss BYU following a successful 2013
campaign would certainly enter in the discussion.You do realize why
BYU won the 1984 title? BYU had three great years preceding the undefeated one
giving them a high start in the '84 polls. The Cougars continued to climb.
With a playoff, the climb only has to be top four which BYU certainly can do.
"...So, bottom line?The big picture is that BYU is in a good
place.It ultimately gets better if it wins...".Another amazing conclusion/prediction issued from an amazing writer.
@StevenA team thats highlights include beating UCF would not get into the
playoff especially with one loss. 2004 Utah wouldn't have made it because
they were ranked #6 at the end of the season even though they were undefeated.
If that one loss is to Boise or Texas they wouldn't have been able to beat
the toughest team they played. If they lost to UNLV or Southern Miss nobody
would take them serious because they would have a loss to a garbage team. Their
schedule wont be as hard as any team in the Power 5 conferences. 9 of 10 Big 12
teams went bowling, 8 from the Pac-12. Who is really gonna finish their season
against BYU? An FCS team. The independence delusion continues.
@Koloss,2014 is a stronger schedule with a game still to be
announced than what Utah played in 2004 because most of the teams on that list
are frequently bowl eligible or better at the end of the season. Texas, USU
(If Keaton stays), UCF and Boise State are the marquee match-ups. IF the
Cougars get a great opponent for the last game, the schedule is comparable to
the one the Utes had in 2008.BYU still needs to set themselves up by
winning the games before them. If they do that, great thinks can happen.
Steven S JarvisIf BYU goes 11-2 this year and then 11-1 in 2014
there is a good chance that BYU gets into the Championship playoff. Holmoe knows
what he is doing with the way he set up these schedules. This year is about
setting up the next for greater rewards.Have you seen BYU's
schedule next year? It's as bad as the '11 one! There is no way that
they would be considered a top 4 team if they lost with that schedule. Heck,
even if they went 12-0 they would miss it. UCF, Middle Tenn, UNLV, Southern
Miss, Houston, UConn. They play 2 teams from the Power 5 conferences. You really
think they'd get in over a one-loss SEC, PAC12, Big 12, ACC or Big 10 team?
They'd probably have to go undefeated 2 straight seasons and win every game
by at least 2 scores.However, a 12-1 Utah Pac-12 champion would absolutely
make. Utah doing that is probably just as likely as BYU going 22-3 over the next
2 seasons but they'd still make it in. Independence is horrible!
From reading all the comments, I think "winning is the key," is the key
but only for independents????
Does anyone know the KICKOFF time on September 21???
BYU will be in good shape if a Division 4 is created. Heck, they may not have to
receive an invite into a conference to get in, they may get in by being
independent. if Notre Dame joins a conference then BYU should worry about an
invite. As long as they don't cave and have losing below .500 season they
should be fine. You can't tell me that a top 25 team in game attendance,
that has recorded more wins in the last 40 years than all but four other FBS
programs, and a team that has finished ranked in a major poll 18 times in that
period (a number eclipsed by only 12 other teams) won't make the Division
4? BYU will be in and may not have to join one of the Big conferences to get
@MyPerspectiveReally? Lower end of BCS conferences and Texas and
Wisconsin? I'm assuming you're a Ute fan and if you are then the
PAC-12 is pretty much that same thing...lower BCS teams with Oregon and
USC...and now Stanford. It really should be the PAC-3 because that's all
it's ever been and will be. But please do not get me wrong I'd rather
be at the bottom of the PAC-12 than be Independent like you guys because
"its better to lose every game in the PAC-12 than be Independent."
Ain't that right?
Dick Harmon: With (put any team here) schedule, wins could place (put any name
here) in solid place! There you have it. Nice job Richard!
@MyperspectiveIf BYU goes 11-2 this year and then 11-1 in 2014 there
is a good chance that BYU gets into the Championship playoff. Holmoe knows what
he is doing with the way he set up these schedules. This year is about setting
up the next for greater rewards.
Yes, Eddie was wrong. Don't be so hard on him. It's the thought that
counts. Not much difference between 3 in a row as opposed to 2 in a row.I'm looking forward to BYU's schedule and their no huddle
hurry up offense. Just the pace with good execution could be the difference
needed to eek out some more wins. I'm definitely looking forward to this
great lineup of teams to play this year. Tom Holmoe has done a great job for
this season's schedule.Wins against some of these teams can
only serve to improve recruiting and national attention, both necessary to
improve BYU's standing on the national stage.Now you Utesies
just need to be patient and watch what BYU does with better coaching, 2 star
talent, and an honor code. I'm pretty sure it will be another successful
football season and BYU will be outranking U for the umpteenth time, maybe even
a break thru rivalry win will come this year.And U guys will be
working on another 'stellar' < .500 season with new banners for
the lightpoles in SLC.
"With BYU's schedule, wins could place Cougars in solid place"If independence was so great for BYU, then why do the local sports
writers write articles like this to sell independence? Are BYU fans really that
insecure about their football programs future, that they need these feel good
Every team we play is always really tough which shows how awesome we always are.
Chriss,Yeah, you're right. Past performance is the only
indicator of future success. Whatever is in the past, can only happen in the
future. The last 3 years are the only results that matter and no matter how
hard you work, you just can't change.After all, since utah went
from being an absolute nothing in college football,to having a perfect season,
no other team is allowed to even think about having all the pieces come together
and be successful for them. Alas, no college team since utah has done anything
special or noteworthy since 2008. No body has upset anybody. Nobody has won
games they should not have, and nobody has garnered the attention of the
nation......only utah. We are indebted to you so much
for your wisdom. We are so glad that you grace us with your presence.FAILNo wonder the PAC 12 people I know all over the world hate
Eddie: "I love my independent BYU! It sue beats being the door mat of the
PAC 10.2. No bowl games in two....make that three years in a row after this
year...."Another example of a y grad that cannot count. Let me
help you.... Utah missed a bowl game last year. Now hold up one finger....
That is one.....not two.......not three...... Are you the same guy that thinks
byu has 3 NCs and 2 BCS wins?
If a "Super Conference" does get created and byu is invited, will they
come? The new conference will be all about money. If you think they are going
to give byu broadcast rights to their games, you're crazy! So which will
it be big time football/$$$$ or missionary tool? My guess is you'll take
Still trying to sell independence. LOL!The formula Harmon proposes
applies equally to every team in the country. What byu has on their schedule
are teams at the lower end of their BCS conference and Texas and Wisconsin.
This schedule is not all that impressive and just wait until byu fans finally
realize what Holmoe and ESPN has in store for them for 2014.
Uteology is right on Texas...4th in the 12...not rivaling OKState.VA...2nd
to last in a basketball conference last year.And lastly...Eddie,
Utah played in a bowl game. 2 years ago we played a d beat GeorgiaTech...BYU
fans posted that GT sucked! Always have a d always will suck! Now they are on
your schedule and they are an elite football program!Delusional fans
Eddie...You lose so much credibility when you demonstrate your lack
of knowledge like that.Go ahead and check 2011 again pal. Utah won
the Sun Bowl.So, your foolish pipe dream statement of "three
straight years without a bowl game after this season" completely throws your
post out the window.
chrissy get used to being a perennial bottom feeder in your new digs. you can
bad mouth the Mighty Cougars all you want, but that won't change the status
of your trotting utes dwelling at the bottom of the heap for years to come. the
closest you will come to the rose bowl is whenever you go there to get beat by
UCLA.and then comes basketball, which will only add insult to
injury. especially when you play BYU and get pounded by them as well.
"the Longhorns are expected to challenge Oklahoma State for the Big 12
title." -- Dick HarmonActually Big 12 media picked Texas to
finish 4th:"Oklahoma State has been picked to win its second
Conference championship in the 2013 Big 12 Football Preseason Poll, voted on by
media representatives who cover the Conference... Oklahoma tallied eight top
votes and 355 points to finish second in the preseason rankings...TCU was chosen
third with nine first-place votes and 347 points while Texas placed fourth"
I'm as big of a fan as there is, but a little reality check for my fellow
fans - 10-2 will not get a BCS bowl. 11-1 is questionable depending on the
records of the #2 teams in the big conferences.This years schedule
is a dream. Next years isn't too bad either. Initially I was worried
about being left out of the super conferences, but now I'm starting to
think we may be able to bridge the gap as an independent.But winning
is the key. Eight or nine wins this year would be great. But next, we more
experience with the new offense and a slightly easier schedule, the Cougs should
win 10 or 11. And with a little magic, who knows.
Why would BYU want a conference affiliation? Yuck! Independence is
I'm exicited for the toughest schedule in BYU history. Go
Hey Chris if you need a job my company is hiring. I wouldn't mind hiring a
Utah fan especially if it means getting you off of these boards!!
This year's schedule is exactly what Holmoe promised us when he announced
BYU was going independent. This is the year we have all been waiting for not
just since going independent but really forever. There were times when we put
together a pretty good schedule as part of the WAC or MWC but we still had to
play Wyoming and New Mexico and UNLV etc. every year too. Everyone on this
year's schedule other than Idaho St. is at least respectable and has an
opportunity for a solid season and no one can reasonably debate that having
Virginia, Texas, Utah State, Georgia Tech., Boise St., Notre Dame and Wisconsin
on the schedule isn't a great thing. My only complaint with this
year's schedule is that the only game agains a PAC 12 member is against a
bottom dweller. Too bad we don't have Oregon St., UCLA, Arizona,
Washington or USC on the schedule as we have in recent years and will again in
years to come.
7 days to go and the anticipation for a great year brought back KVN and
Hoffman.The schedule is perfect for national exposure and with a
projected 10-2 record they will be recognized as a top 10 team and a good shot
at a BCS bowl. This will be the stepping stone BYU will need to keep them in
front of any talk about Super Conferences.Go COUGARS!!! BYU 43-7
over the Utsies.
Chris B. You sure talk allot for a guy who's team went 5-7 last year and
who may not reach that many wins this year. Like the Old Utah team of the past,
the Utes will get up for the Cougars and then lay a season long egg. Many
experts have the Utes only winning 3 Games this year. Maybe, Chris
B., you should worry about your own teams problems instead of knocking the
Cougars. This year I predict a big win for the Cougars in the rivalry game.
Something like 28-0.Of course guys like you always get more out of
tearing others down to try and make yourself look better...sad, sad, sad.
I love Independence. High profile games all over the country with all the
exposure and flexibility that just doesn't come while tied down in a
conference. That being said, Independence is a double edged sword.
Exposure is not a good thing if BYU continues to have 7-6 or 8-5 seasons. But
with the competition BYU is getting on the schedule, 9 or more wins is a
successful season. 11 wins guarantees a BCS bowl berth.
I love my independent BYU! It sue beats being the door mat of the PAC 10.2. No
bowl games in two....make that three years in a row after this year, and then
trying to recruit after all that. Yes our great Independent BYU will be seen
Nation wide AND playing Nation wide, something some other team in the state can
just dream about, just like playing in a bowl game.
It will be interesting to see if a new offensive scheme can come together in its
first year. If BYU can also maintain a great defense then they have a good
chance of being ranked this year. You never know until actual games are played,
but I am excited to find out! Let the season begin, go Cougars!
BYU took the riskier path by going independent and the rewards of that choice
are commensurate with risk. They get the exposure they crave, plus they
don't have to split the TV revenue with other conference members. They
could have chosen to join a conference but they would have had to lower their
standards by allowing Sunday play and they would lose the broadcast rights to
all their home games for all sports, not just football. Tom Holmoe has said it
is more work being independent, but they have done exceptionally well with that
choice.Go . . . Utes.
Harmon has nailed it--The opportunity is there. We just have to win.However, if the current BCS conferences are not courting BYU because of their
"baggage"--No-Sunday-Play rule and demand for rebroadcasting rights--it
is unlikely we'll be courted by a super conference, no matter who we
beat.Also, a major player in this whole super conference
play--Texas--probably isn't thinking too highly of BYU right now over
BYU's pulling online credits from one of their starters.
It doesn't matter because they don't belong to the Elite, Most
Prestigious and Revered BCS conference, hence their irrelevance...ain't
that right Chris B.? I mean, if they were in conference like that then it
wouldn't matter if they win or not because "it's better to lose
every game in the PAC-12 than to be independent."
Pretty much a repeat of the article a few days ago that "all byu needs to do
is win to get national recognition"Brilliant.Bronco's byu record against top 25 teams: .200What makes byu
fans believe this year you'll win more than 2 games max against Utah,
Boise, Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Boise?Certainly not
history!But then again, you guys didn't have "go fast go
hard" in the past did you?That will probably make a big
difference. All you were missing was catchy phrases.
LOL!This is kind of like byu fans getting excited for "go fast
go hard" as if simply coming up with a catchy phrase will be indicative of
performance on the field.Remember how well "quest for
perfection" turned out. Well actually it did turn out, for UTAH!Think about the most athletic and best teams byu has played over the last
several years(TCU, Florida State, Texas, Notre Dame, Utah, Boise, Utah State,
San Jose State)Isn't byu something like 2-12 against these
teams the last 3 years?And byu fan are excited that they have an
enough tougher schedule?LOL. I am too!